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Two-Language School is Seen as Muy Bueno (Madison, WI)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | June 11, 2005 | Doug Erickson

Posted on 06/12/2005 9:44:42 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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1 posted on 06/12/2005 9:44:42 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"the staff did a wonderful job of instilling positive attitudes about Mexico and Spanish."

I wonder what attitudes they instilled about the USA?


2 posted on 06/12/2005 9:55:37 AM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
This is happening in Wisconsin? Oh, brother...


3 posted on 06/12/2005 9:59:19 AM PDT by rdb3 (What you want? Morning sickness or sickness from mourning? --Nick Cannon)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
... a Spanish immersion program that hopes to crack the statewide problem of Hispanic students scoring, as a group, far below their white peers on state tests.

How does immersion in Spanish (for the English-speaking students) help the state test scores for Hispanics?

And I confess to not having read the article. ;^)

4 posted on 06/12/2005 10:01:03 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I like Spanish. I like the fact that this school assigns lots of homework and makes the kids sit still in class. Sounds more like school when I was a kid. I wish we had been instructed in a second language from first grade- that would've been pretty cool.

My girlfriend is Swiss, she grew up with three mother tongues and is fluent in French and English as well- so five languages all together. I didn't begin learning a second language until I was 24. Working on my third now, Spanish, but I will probably have to move to Spain for a few years to reach the fluency level I desire. Would've been nice to get an earlier start with languages.


5 posted on 06/12/2005 10:01:59 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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How does immersion in Spanish (for the English-speaking students) help the state test scores for Hispanics?

Hmmm. I took this to mean that math and so forth was being taught in Spanish. I could see how a Spanish speaker's math skills would improve quicker if he learned it in his native tongue. That's what I got out of it anyway.

6 posted on 06/12/2005 10:06:02 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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---Working on my third now, Spanish, but I will probably have to move to Spain for a few years to reach the fluency level I desire. ---

Just move to California. No need to go to Spain.


7 posted on 06/12/2005 10:06:08 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: claudiustg

I would need to move to the States in order to move to Cali. Spain is much closer to where I live now.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 10:12:30 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"The dual-immersion approach..."

Dual immersion? What the hell for?

"An 'awesome' year In kindergarten at Nuestro Mundo, math, science and social studies are taught 90 percent of the time in Spanish. This proportion stays the same in first grade, then gradually changes until, by fifth grade, the split is 50-50."

This is considered immersion? Sheesh...
9 posted on 06/12/2005 10:13:39 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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Craig said she felt the school focused too much on making students sit still, on disciplining them, on assigning homework and on teaching language skills through drills.

All of this sounds great to me.

10 posted on 06/12/2005 10:19:16 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I think we need to make the english requirement of the citizenship exam and REAL test with no public disclosure of the test questions. (lawyers have them as part of FOIA and coach the client to memorize the answers)

Perhaps we should have each state adopt an english only language amendment.

I believe ALL voting ballots MUST be in english only.

English is the language that unifies the nation. These schools only seek to foster division.


11 posted on 06/12/2005 10:20:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Positive PC goofiness. Positive news about Spanish and Mexico crammed down the throats of impressionable kids, when what they should learn is English, which study after study has shown is the ticket out of poverty. Oh, well, Islamofascist sleep cells will probably blow up the west coast before it becomes completely integrated with Mexico. (The ACLU should be helping those poor Lodi Muslims, who've clearly been racially profiled and persecuted.)


12 posted on 06/12/2005 10:22:54 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
As an experimental, voluntary program, I have no problem with this. I would like to see a lot more experimental, voluntary programs. People can vote with their feet. If they feel their kids are learning, great. If not, they pull them out and go back to the standard curriculum.

Craig said she felt the school focused too much on making students sit still, on disciplining them, on assigning homework and on teaching language skills through drills...

Actually, that sounds like a good thing.

13 posted on 06/12/2005 10:23:00 AM PDT by marron
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

That's great if it leads to employment opportunities.


14 posted on 06/12/2005 10:25:04 AM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Coming to a city near you...

Actually, it's coming to my house.

I am fiercely committed to making sure our baby learns both languages as she masters the spoken word. There are too many fine people that speak Spanish, and too many people who have contributed nothing to the success of America that speak English, for me to ignore either in my daughter's education.

15 posted on 06/12/2005 10:28:46 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Nuestro Mundo's own research found that...

Nuestro Mundo is translated as "our world". Their world, indeed.

16 posted on 06/12/2005 10:30:26 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (God Bless.)
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To: DumpsterDiver

They plan to dump tests altogether, no doubt. It's more of that positive outcome plan. If kids feel good about themselves, it matters little if they learn to read or write. Self esteem is all that matters, not intellectual achievement. So if Hispanic children fail to achieve in school, it can't be cultural (or the influence of Hollywood, MTV, etc and lack of respect for schools and learning.) God forbid. No, it's because they're forced to learn English. This mindset is the logical outcome of 'America is the root of all evil' thinking. Envy, hatred, failure to thrive...it can't be anything I'm doing. It's your fault! So you change.


17 posted on 06/12/2005 10:31:20 AM PDT by hershey
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To: DumpsterDiver
How does immersion in Spanish (for the English-speaking students) help the state test scores for Hispanics?

Maybe they're going to make the English speaking kids take the test in Spanish, to be "fair".

18 posted on 06/12/2005 10:34:34 AM PDT by skip_intro
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And it's more of Mexico integrating with the US. Somehow, though, we become MiniMexico and not the other way around. Although why in the world the US should be thrilled at becoming more like a third world country, adopting their language, mores, etc., escapes me. Why not get Mexico to raise their standards, educate their poor, clean up their country? For some reason, that's not on.


19 posted on 06/12/2005 10:35:10 AM PDT by hershey
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To: skip_intro
The change was made because research shows that intense use of Spanish in early grades produces the best Spanish-related outcomes in the end, at no cost to English language development or to academic achievement, Zehrbach said.

Similarly, intense use of English in the early grades will produce the best English-related outcomes for native Spanish speakers. And, if your parents are illiterate in their native language (e.g.,illegal immigrants), you need English immersion even more.

20 posted on 06/12/2005 11:03:49 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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