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GOP Congressman Wants Iraq Timetable - Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C
AP ^ | 7:25 pm CDT June 12, 2005 | AP

Posted on 06/12/2005 5:49:17 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

WASHINGTON -- The military announced the killing of four more U.S. soldiers on Sunday, pushing the American death toll past 1,700.

The news comes as police found the bullet-riddled bodies of 28 people -- many thought to be Sunni Arabs -- buried in shallow graves or dumped streetside in Baghdad.

GOP Congressman Wants Iraq Timetable

A Republican lawmaker who voted for the Iraq war now says he supports a timetable for the United States to withdraw.

Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., told ABC's "This Week" that the U.S. has done about as much as it can do in Iraq. He said one of the main reasons for invading -- concern over Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction -- has proven false.

Jones will be among the lawmakers introducing legislation this week calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq.

President George W. Bush has said any timetable for withdrawal would encourage insurgents to wait for the foreign troops to leave. But Jones said he believes the Iraqis can defend their own country.

Jones said he began changing his mind about the war after attending the funeral of a U.S. service member killed in Iraq.

Cheney Nixes Idea Of Closing Guantanamo

Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday there are no plans to close the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, despite calls from members of both political parties to do so.

The prison holds "bad people" captured in the war on terror, Cheney said in an interview to be broadcast Monday on on Fox News Channel's "Hannity and Colmes" show. Most of the prisoners are "hard core" terrorists, Cheney said.

Time magazine is reporting on an 84-page document detailing the Guantanamo interrogation of one detainee, Mohamed al-Qahtani.

Time says al-Qahtani is suspected of being the 20th hijacker involved in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks; he was captured during the war in Afghanistan.

Time says interrogators at Guantanamo used such techniques as dripping water on al-Qahtani's head; strip-searching him and making him stand nude; and depriving him of sleep.

The account also says that after receiving fluid intravenously because he was dehydrated, al-Qahtani was told to urinate in his pants by interrogators who refused his request to use the bathroom.

The Defense Department said in response to the story that the interrogation "was guided by a very detailed plan and conducted by trained professionals motivated by a desire to gain actionable intelligence."

The Pentagon says al-Qahtani provided valuable information on the logistics of the attacks.

Human rights activists and some lawmakers are pressing for the prison to be closed because of allegations of torture and abuse of detainees.

The prison in Cuba holds about 540 detainees. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with any crime.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., told CNN's "Late Edition" that Guantanamo is one reason the U.S. is "losing the image war around the world."

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., scoffed at the notion detainees at the U.S. prison are being abused.

On "Fox News Sunday," he read from the detainees' food menu, which included orange glazed chicken, fresh fruit and rice pilaf. He said sarcastically that he sent for the menu "so that average Americans could understand how we're brutalizing people in Guantanamo."

On Friday, Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., added his voice to to those seeking to close the prison.

"It's become an icon for bad stories," he said.

Also speaking on Fox Friday morning, Washington's director for Human Rights Watch called the prison "a legal black hole" that needs to be overhauled or closed down.

Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., agreed, telling NBC's "Meet The Press" that the "status quo is dangerous." He's called for a commission to look into the prison and determine its fate.

Also on Friday, an Amnesty International official reaffirmed the human rights group's call for the closure of the camp.

Board chairman Chip Pitts repeated the characterization that the facility is a "gulag" during an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee.

Earlier in the week, former President Jimmy Carter also clalled for the closure of the prison.

French Journalists Describe Captivity

A French journalist is back home in France, looking thinner but radiant after five months as a hostage in Iraq.

Speaking to reporters at an airport outside Paris, she told of being held in an Iraq cellar in "difficult conditions," tied up, blindfolded and given little water.

She says she was recently unbound and allowed to watch French television. She was moved to see a news ticker counting off her 140th day of captivity.

When she stepped off the plane, she was greeted by French President Jacques Chirac, who kissed her on the cheek. She spent the first minutes of her homecoming embracing her family.

A party is planned for her tonight at a square in Paris.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; exitstrategy; iraq; spinelessenabler; timetable; usefulidiot; walterjones
I wonder if this is the start of things to come?
1 posted on 06/12/2005 5:49:17 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

dupe


2 posted on 06/12/2005 5:53:34 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: Former Military Chick
Just like Vietnam the left-wing fascist anti-American cowards are starting to show their true colors. They must have made a pact with the terrorist so that they will not attack them when they are free to take over the middle east and attack us in our homeland.
3 posted on 06/12/2005 5:59:15 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: YOUGOTIT
Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C is someone who is not a left-wing fascist anti-American coward is a concerned American who does not sit down and shut up while our government misleads us into war.

Perle and his buddy Iranian Agent Chalabi leads us to Iraq so we would lose credibility and now wont act against Iran's REAL nuclear threat. And we took care of Iran's competition for hegemony in the Middle East. The idea we will create democracy in the Middle East while appeasing Islamists is ridiculous. Islam and Democracy are to contradicting things. The people in Iraq want security first until then they dont give a damn about DEMOCRACY. All the money we are investing in Iraq will all be used against us, as Iran gains more influence their.

4 posted on 06/12/2005 6:05:14 PM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: Former Military Chick

"A Republican lawmaker who voted for the Iraq war now says he supports a timetable for the United States to withdraw. "

Sure, lets just announce the date that we will bail out... that'll sure defeat those terrorists !


5 posted on 06/12/2005 6:06:59 PM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: Evolution

I think it is important to stand up for what you believe in. But, I did not call anyone any names only that this is perhaps the sign of things to come.

If someone feels certain that this is wrong than state their position and what they offer as a resolution, if you do not provide that it is difficult to follow your end of the debate.

Thanks for the comment.


6 posted on 06/12/2005 6:09:14 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: Former Military Chick
what they offer as a resolution

The resolution to this conflict with Islam will only end when we become energy independent and cut off all foreign aid, while destroying all Muslim nuclear facilities.

Currently we are addicted to Muslim oil and that is what can cause us to lose the War.

7 posted on 06/12/2005 6:19:08 PM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: Former Military Chick

This is just exposing how many politicians are mental midgets. How many are so plain stupid as to be out manuvered by reporters?

How many are just being patsies for their cocktail, inside the beltway friends on the other side of the isle?

Seriously if you ever meet politicians in real life you realize how intellectually challenge some of them really are.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 6:21:39 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Evolution
[Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C is someone who is not a left-wing fascist anti-American coward is a concerned American who does not sit down and shut up while our government misleads us into war. Perle and his buddy Iranian Agent Chalabi leads us to Iraq so we would lose credibility and now wont act against Iran's REAL nuclear threat. And we took care of Iran's competition for hegemony in the Middle East.]


SHHHHHHHHHHH. ix-nay on the isleads-may.

And you forgot this: http://johnf-ingkerry.com/
9 posted on 06/12/2005 6:51:38 PM PDT by spinestein ("Just hold your nose and vote for Kerry" --- WORST CAMPAIGN SLOGAN EVER!)
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To: Evolution

and withdrawing from Iraq gives us more leverage over Iran how?

If anything Iran will be embolden

Within one year we would lose Afghanistan as well. The tatics used to drive America out of Iraq would be used in Afghanistan


Bin Laden said he was inspired to commit 9-11 by america's cowardice in Somalia, what do you think would happen if we turned tail and ran from Iraq?

Do you think we would retaliate for a nuclear attack on NYC, or would we just weep and cowar? It doesnt matter what we'd do, if Bin Laden thinks we would weep and cowar, then we're dead


If we quit Iraq, the USA will be the weak horse, Al Qaeda, the strong horse


10 posted on 06/12/2005 8:13:29 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: atlanta67

But given that, Bush is a very poor communicator on the WOT


11 posted on 06/12/2005 8:15:16 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: Evolution
He is a coward and a liar. He is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. You on the other hand do not know what you are talking about. The military is doing a great job and the cowards on the left will do anything to make sure they do not succeed and that the terrorist are available to attack on American soil.
12 posted on 06/13/2005 4:54:48 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Former Military Chick
"I wonder if this is the start of things to come?"

I have extraordinary faith in our military institution. Conversely, I have great contempt for most political animals.

13 posted on 06/13/2005 5:01:47 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: Evolution
The resolution to this conflict with Islam will only end when we become energy independent and cut off all foreign aid, while destroying all Muslim nuclear facilities.

No. It will only end when Islam is vanquished.

14 posted on 06/13/2005 5:06:06 AM PDT by sauropod (De gustibus non est disputandum)
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To: sauropod
No. It will only end when Islam is vanquished.

Well part of getting Islam to vanish is becoming energy independent and cutting of aid to them.

15 posted on 06/13/2005 11:24:04 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: spinestein
Those are not conspiracy theories but FACTS.

Remember last spring 2004 US troops raided property of Chalabi and they said he was leaking information to Iran.

Chalabi fled the country and went back to Tehran, furthermore he is a Shia Muslim.

Of course I could ignore all that and just live in bliss like you by drinking the Kool Aid.

16 posted on 06/13/2005 11:25:45 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: atlanta67
and withdrawing from Iraq gives us more leverage over Iran how?

Did I say withdraw from Iraq?

The fact is their were mistakes and it was Iran that wanted us to invade Iraq.

We were suckered into it, the only solution will be to blast away Iraninan nuclear facilities, become energy independent and cut off all aid to Muslim Countries.

Without the wealth and support of the West the Muslim world will collapse, any attempt by them to threaten us must be met with brute force.

The current Bush plan of trying to enlighten them with democracy will not work. Security is the most important and first thing a governmnet must provide, and the current Iraqi government is not providing that.

If the Iraqi government does not like our methods then let them use their own troops, and if Iraqis do not want to defend their country then ignore them because they are useless.

17 posted on 06/13/2005 11:29:40 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: YOUGOTIT
The military is doing a great job and the cowards on the left will do anything to make sure they do not succeed and that the terrorist are available to attack on American soil.

Did I say our military is doing a bad job?

It is our politicians doing a bad job.

Our bureaucrats who are tying the hands our troops who are doing a bad job.

The sensitive PC War we war fighting in Iraq is a war we will lose.

Not because of our troops but because of our politicians and bureaucrats.

18 posted on 06/13/2005 11:31:40 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: Former Military Chick

I also wonder when the War in Iraq is going to start winding down . . .

Walter Jones is no liberal, either.


19 posted on 06/13/2005 11:36:57 AM PDT by No Dems 2004
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To: Evolution

True, but the whole of vanquish means to defeat Islam and cause it to fall into utter ruin.


20 posted on 06/13/2005 12:56:08 PM PDT by sauropod (De gustibus non est disputandum)
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To: Evolution

""Without the wealth and support of the West the Muslim world will collapse"


We give aid to Egypt and Jordan. We dont give aid to other middle eastern countries. I think you greatly overstate that the entire muslim world would collapse without american aid. It is as though you think american aid caused 9-11


21 posted on 06/13/2005 5:26:09 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: No Dems 2004

""Walter Jones is no liberal, either.""

No but he is stupid and giving hope to Al Qaeda


22 posted on 06/13/2005 5:26:48 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: Evolution
[Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C is someone who is not a left-wing fascist anti-American coward is a concerned American who does not sit down and shut up while our government misleads us into war. Perle and his buddy Iranian Agent Chalabi leads us to Iraq so we would lose credibility and now wont act against Iran's REAL nuclear threat. And we took care of Iran's competition for hegemony in the Middle East.]


[Those are not conspiracy theories but FACTS.]

[Remember last spring 2004 US troops raided property of Chalabi and they said he was leaking information to Iran.]

[Chalabi fled the country and went back to Tehran, furthermore he is a Shia Muslim.]

[Of course I could ignore all that and just live in bliss like you by drinking the Kool Aid.]







I like pizza.

Do you like pizza?
23 posted on 06/13/2005 9:04:58 PM PDT by spinestein
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To: atlanta67
But given that, Bush is a very poor communicator on the WOT

Amen to that.

24 posted on 06/13/2005 9:20:54 PM PDT by montag813
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To: atlanta67
We dont give aid to other middle eastern countries

Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Yemen,Kuwait,United Arab Emirates,Indonesia etc.. get American money through foriegn aid, military aid or oil consumption.

I think you greatly overstate that the entire muslim world would collapse without american aid. It is as though you think american aid caused 9-11

Before our use of Muslim oil in the 1930's the Muslim world was nothing their was no Saudi Royal Monarchy or anything. We propped it all up for oil and it is destroying us.

Without our assistance they cannot produce the oil and will go to the dustbin of history. All the oil workers and contracters are Westerners, they keep their people so ignorant they cannot sustain their own wealth.

25 posted on 06/14/2005 8:30:37 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: spinestein
Do you like pizza?

NO it is just empty carbs with a little Cheese and sauce.

Pure Junk Food, but if you want it then keeping eating it I am not a health Nazi.

26 posted on 06/14/2005 8:32:11 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: Former Military Chick
Jones said he began changing his mind about the war after attending the funeral of a U.S. service member killed in Iraq.

Sure sounds like an emotional decision, rather than a rational one.

27 posted on 06/14/2005 8:34:47 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Evolution
[Before our use of Muslim oil in the 1930's the Muslim world was nothing their was no Saudi Royal Monarchy or anything. We propped it all up for oil and it is destroying us.]


Oil has nothing to do with their attitude toward the West.

The Middle East has been a collection of unstable, feuding tribal dictatorships for its entire history. We didn't create problems in the region by buying oil from them, anymore than we created problems in South America or Russia by buying oil there.

The source of the problem is the Middle East dictators, who happen to be in charge today, view the Western World as infringing on their way of life and they don't like it, so they feel it's necessary to promote hatred for the West among the peasantry.

It needs to be understood that the West IS infringing on their way of life. Modern democracy and human rights are becoming the world standard, and there is a lot of international pressure on these dictators to step aside and make way for accountable governments, and they're not willing to simply give up their cushy palaces full of harem girls without a fight. They know that democratic countries like Israel, and now Afghanistan and Iraq are dangerous precedents to allow to exist and if they can Bee Ess enough of their populations with a constant barrage of religious zealotry, forced on them from the day they're born and with no other opinions available, aimed at inciting hatred for foreigners, then that benefits the leaders and makes it more likely that they'll keep their posh lifestyle for one more day.

Listen to what the members of terrorist organizations are saying about WHY they hate the West. None of it's based on any reality about the West and it sounds like a bunch of paranoid ramblings that only make sense when you realize it's all fabricated by the various government sponsored, militant religious organizations of the Middle East for the sole purpose of creating hatred of foreigners.
28 posted on 06/14/2005 4:12:47 PM PDT by spinestein
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To: Former Military Chick
Does Walter have a timetable for the United States to withdraw from Europe? or Korea?

D'OH! That's right - those were democrat supported wars.

The best way to end war and ensure peace is to kill the enemy.

29 posted on 06/14/2005 4:16:06 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: savedbygrace
Jones said he began changing his mind about the war after attending the funeral of a U.S. service member killed in Iraq.

Sure sounds like an emotional decision, rather than a rational one

Nailed it..!!

We have a WINNER..!!

30 posted on 06/14/2005 4:23:15 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Hillary Clinton makes me sick as a dog passing peach pits.....)
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To: Osage Orange

Thank you, brother.


31 posted on 06/14/2005 4:27:55 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: spinestein
. We didn't create problems in the region by buying oil from them,

Actually we did our oil purchases fund the governments which fund the terrorists.

Our oil purchases fund the population growths and expansions which are the reason for the huge Muslim population we have today.

Becoming energy independent is an important step in defeating Islam.

The source of the problem is the Middle East dictators,

Look at Democracy in Muslim countries and look at Dictatorships either way we have governments that hate us.

In Lebanon Hezibollah is a mainstream party, in the Palestinian terroritories Hamas is a mainstream party, in Iraq Shia Muslims friendly with Iran won, the fact is it is their whole Islamic culture and Islam itself that is the problem.

OF course our leaders are scared to death to say this for a few reasons. But it is our investment in the Muslim world that allows them to be a potential force.

Without our oil, assistance, or aid they would collapse overnight. They are unable to produce oil themselves and have no other resource and engenuity to offer. They would simply Implode and go back to the hellhole they came from.

32 posted on 06/14/2005 7:14:39 PM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: Evolution

We dont give aid to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE.

indonesia isnt a middle eastern country.

Stationaing military forces in those countries isnt done out of aultruism, you do it for our own national security

I stand by what I said that the muslim world wount collapse . The entire US foreign aid budget is about $15b annually with Israel and Egypt getting half


33 posted on 06/16/2005 3:38:44 PM PDT by atlanta67
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