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The United States of America: The Inimitable Nation
Tech Central Station ^ | June 13, 2005 | Lee Harris

Posted on 06/12/2005 9:35:01 PM PDT by quidnunc

Once there was a farm located by a tranquil river. One day a duck from the river bumped into a chicken from the farm, and they immediately fell head over heels in love with each other. Sadly, no one else in the barnyard community could appreciate their romance, and both were mocked by all the other animals. "Ducks and chickens were not meant to fall in love," guffawed the cows and the dogs and the roosters — especially the roosters. Deeply mortified by the ridicule, the duck told his beloved hen, "We will flee these narrow-minded bigots. Come, let us find a place free from such ignoble prejudice." And with these inspiring words on his beak, the duck plunged into the river, followed by the love-stricken chicken, who, of course, promptly drowned.

We are not told what lesson the duck learned from his tragic experience. Being a duck, he may not have learned one at all. He may even have gone to other farmyards and urged other love-smitten hens to follow him to their watery graves. Perhaps he thought, one day I will find a chicken that can swim.  

Ever since our miraculously successful revolution in 1776, other countries, falling in love with our democracy, have tried to follow in our webbed footsteps, only to drown miserably in the misadventure, as France would do in its revolution of 1789, and as nations like Mexico or Venezuela would come to do after the collapse of the Spanish Empire in 1808. Sometimes we have, like the duck in the fable, cheered on the chicken to her aquatic death; sometimes we have merely been the inadvertent inspiration. Yet, in case after case, the chicken always ended up dead, while the duck went happily quacking down the river.  

Why is this?  

It is because Americans take to democracy, so to speak, like a duck to water. It is our element. We thrive in it and prosper in it. It is our refuge and haven. But, like the duck of the fable, we too often forget our natural element may not be the natural element for other peoples, whose history, culture, and ways are radically different from ours. We forget that, just as the duck has evolved to survive in the water, so America has evolved to survive in the midst of democratic bickering and dickering.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: fowlplay; leeharris; warbirds
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1 posted on 06/12/2005 9:35:01 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: Tolik

For Your Consideration


2 posted on 06/12/2005 9:36:07 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

The US is a republic not a democracy.


3 posted on 06/12/2005 9:38:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: quidnunc

I thought the story was supposed to teach us that its okay for ducks and chickens to intermarry.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 9:40:35 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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To: quidnunc

In other words = not everybody should be a democracy. We're IMPOSING democracy on Arabs who really don't want it.


5 posted on 06/12/2005 9:41:27 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: quidnunc

Or rather we take to Republican Government. Democracy is and will always be a misnomer, whether or not the rest of the world follows that path.

I get the point of the editorial, however, we languished under King George until we decided to act. And then only approximately 30 percent of America at that time supported the war. So, I'd say that we revel in Republican Government. This is the reason we don't continue to thrive under Democratic leadership.

The wishes of the Foudning Fathers were to remain in that form of Republican government, a decided difference between a democracy. But like I said, "I get the point of the editorial."


6 posted on 06/12/2005 9:42:49 PM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, released in March. Buy it. I need new shoes. :))
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thank you, PC. My point in #6 exactly.


7 posted on 06/12/2005 9:43:19 PM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, released in March. Buy it. I need new shoes. :))
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To: Paleo Conservative

Democracy is to Duck as Republic is to _________?


8 posted on 06/12/2005 9:43:45 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: CyberAnt
We're IMPOSING democracy on Arabs who really don't want it.

No, we're imposing democracy on Arabs who can't swim.

9 posted on 06/12/2005 9:44:54 PM PDT by budwiesest (Too many cops, not enough 2nd Ammendment? Welcome to California.)
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To: budwiesest

No, we are forcing arabs to eat water-logged chickens. And that is just wrong.


10 posted on 06/12/2005 9:45:41 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: quidnunc; Paleo Conservative; Cowboy Bob; budwiesest; All
The eggception to the rule?


11 posted on 06/12/2005 9:48:06 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

owwwhhhh....what a foul thing to do!!! Made me laugh , hard!!


12 posted on 06/12/2005 9:50:50 PM PDT by 4mycountry (This tag dedicated to ~ The Legend of Zelda 2005)
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To: quidnunc

All humans want freedom. It is very rare, however, when the chance for success and desire and opportunity line up together to make it a real possibility worth risking it all to acheive it.


13 posted on 06/12/2005 9:51:16 PM PDT by microgood
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To: new cruelty

Somebody should smack you with a rubber chicken. :^)


14 posted on 06/12/2005 9:53:42 PM PDT by budwiesest (Too many cops, not enough 2nd Ammendment? Welcome to California.)
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To: budwiesest

hm. According to the guidebook, slapping someone with a rubber chicken equates to imposing an Oligarchal Theocracy. I wonder how a duck would fare against that.


15 posted on 06/12/2005 10:01:08 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: microgood
All humans want freedom. It is very rare, however, when the chance for success and desire and opportunity line up together to make it a real possibility it is worth risking it all to acheive it.


There, that's more like it.
16 posted on 06/12/2005 10:04:19 PM PDT by Issaquahking (U.N. or American? Yes, I am a hyphenated American, an American-AMERICAN!)
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To: microgood
Good point! Much easier to lose freedoms than to gain them as well. As stewards of our own individual liberties, I'd say that we haven't been vigilant and that the other side is winning. Be it gun controls or flying the friendly skys, the chickenization of our people suggests we'll soon be out of our element in freedom's waters.
17 posted on 06/12/2005 10:09:32 PM PDT by budwiesest (Too many cops, not enough 2nd Ammendment? Welcome to California.)
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To: quidnunc

I'm torn between two desires; to either teach a chicken to swim or learn how to french-fry facile sophists.


18 posted on 06/12/2005 10:10:42 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: microgood
Humans are a strange mix of wanting freedom and self determination and wanting to be taken care of.

Recent black immigrants from Africa tend to prosper because they haven't been indoctrinated with a victim mentality.

The US became a refuge from every nation of those seeking a better life. They came from Monarchy's, from Dictatorships, from tribal cultures,

They all embraced self reliance and self determination until the Socialist Revolution of 1937 and the Communist revolution of the 1960's taught them it's easier to be a child than an adult.
19 posted on 06/12/2005 10:13:04 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: new cruelty
"No, we are forcing arabs to eat water-logged chickens. And that is just wrong."

Are we?

If given the chance they may take to it like a duck to water.

I am speaking about freedom, not water logged chickens

20 posted on 06/12/2005 10:15:11 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Issaquahking
it is worth risking it all to acheive it.

I think change the it to that. But it is late.

that is worth risking it all to acheive it
21 posted on 06/12/2005 10:15:25 PM PDT by microgood
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To: TASMANIANRED
Humans are a strange mix of wanting freedom and self determination and wanting to be taken care of.

Very true. They want freedom, but once they acheive it, they think they can have their cake and eat it to. Hopefully, having to reacheive freedom after losing it to laziness ove time will lead to a permanent level of freedom.
22 posted on 06/12/2005 10:23:18 PM PDT by microgood
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To: budwiesest

We are giving them FREEDOM were as, they never had it before, and don't know better.


23 posted on 06/12/2005 10:25:04 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: new cruelty
I wonder how a duck would fare against that.

By posting a pic of a chicken swimming, you're debunking the premise of this thread. Ought not there be some form of penalty for such out-right insubordination?

You, yourself may be duck-like, in that you can tolerate democracy, whereas the chicken (probably thrown into the pond) spent it's last dying moments trying desperatly to reach the safety of the shore.

Keep it up and I'll smack you with my oligarchical pope hat.

24 posted on 06/12/2005 10:25:46 PM PDT by budwiesest (Too many cops, not enough 2nd Ammendment? Welcome to California.)
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To: budwiesest
As stewards of our own individual liberties, I'd say that we haven't been vigilant and that the other side is winning.

True, but it does not take many that understand it like yourself to get it back. We just need to make people understand what they are giving up. Every time I see a freedom lost I think of the beaches of Normandy and think those brave souls did not die for nothing, no way, not on my watch.
25 posted on 06/12/2005 10:27:14 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

The US was in a very fortunate position during our colonial period.

You worked and worked very hard or else you starved.

Government was thousands of miles away in England and really didn't have a lot of impact.

As a result self sufficient citizens got used to limited government and self rule.

It was good enough to build a nation.

It has taken 60 years to break a system that endured 300+ years.


26 posted on 06/12/2005 10:27:42 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
It has taken 60 years to break a system that endured 300+ years.

You have to give the Russians some credit for that unfortunate circumstance, damn them. They got us from the inside.
27 posted on 06/12/2005 10:39:49 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

"Every time I see a freedom lost..."

What freedoms are we losing?


28 posted on 06/12/2005 10:44:30 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: Prophet in the wilderness; microgood
We are giving them FREEDOM

And what a gift that is! Just, how do you wrap it? Bombs and bullets? Should it be accompanied with a cake? As this thread suggests, there are some who would find individual 'freedoms' foreign (water) and would prefer tyranny, prefer to lord over others and have no desire to get 'wet' at all.

As Microgood commented, the conditions for democracy may be rare which is something we shouldn't discount (rarity, that is...not that freedom isn't universally desired).

It's almost as though we've stepped back in time and encountered a tribe that still tosses virgins into volcanoes to ensure a good corn crop. These 'chickens' may not be ready for prime time or swimming lessons.

29 posted on 06/12/2005 10:49:51 PM PDT by budwiesest (Too many cops, not enough 2nd Ammendment? Welcome to California.)
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To: pcottraux
What freedoms are we losing?

Well, when I was growing up you did not get fined for not wearing a seat belt. In fact, you could ride in the back of a truck.

We used to be able to go camping in the National Forests.

Many of our campgrounds have been closed by environmental nazis.

We used to be able to get a job without someone testing our bodily fluids.

We used to be able to burn wood in our back yard.

We used to be able to buy a 5 gallon toilet so that we would not have to deal with the disgusting and unsanitary ones that they have now.

If you want the full list your computer will need a 17 terabyte drive.
30 posted on 06/12/2005 11:04:35 PM PDT by microgood
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To: quidnunc

The major difference between the US Constitution and the Constitution of France, is that we mention God, and that certain rights are God given. The French have no mention of in alienable rights.


31 posted on 06/12/2005 11:10:03 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: microgood

Okay, okay, I guess being only 20 yrs of age, I wouldn't understand.

Nevertheless, where I live, we can burn as much wood as we want in our backyard. I live out of the city limits. Everyone in my neighborhood has a burnpile.

I guess the reason I ask is that most people word it as if to say "During the Bush Administration...we've lost all our freedoms" rather than a gradual erosion. That's what the Europeans say when calling Bush "Hitler."


32 posted on 06/12/2005 11:10:41 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: microgood
If you want the full list ...

LOL!! Man, I'm not certain I want to see the 'full list'. LOL! (But it'd be cool to have it just the same)

33 posted on 06/12/2005 11:11:05 PM PDT by budwiesest (Too many cops, not enough 2nd Ammendment? Welcome to California.)
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To: microgood

We are so wonderfully blessed. Life is not perfect, and it's never been without irritation.

Take a deep breath and choose to be thankful, just for today, for the freedoms we have rather than scratching around for something to complain about.

Oops. A chicken metaphor. Sorry.


34 posted on 06/12/2005 11:12:26 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: pcottraux
I guess the reason I ask is that most people word it as if to say "During the Bush Administration...we've lost all our freedoms" rather than a gradual erosion.

No way this is Bush's fault. Most of the freedoms we have lost is due to the liberal side of the house. But the rise of the Federal bureacracy has dampened freedoms for all Americans.

Glad you can still do what you like to do. Fight for it. I am sure you will.
35 posted on 06/12/2005 11:16:57 PM PDT by microgood
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To: budwiesest
But it'd be cool to have it just the same

You are right. It is time to come up with a good list of lost freedoms. I will work on that diligently and when I come up with it, I will ping you. Great Idea.
36 posted on 06/12/2005 11:19:00 PM PDT by microgood
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To: pcottraux
most people word it as if to say "During the Bush Administration...we've lost all our freedoms"

Forget those idiots, this has been going on since Lincoln's time. It's only snowballed of late. If Bush is guilty of anything, it's producing the corn-cobbed pipe or the coal for the eyes on Mr. Snowman which is the snowjob that has us sniviling for relief from the fed/god/gov that rules America from the bench of stench.

We either tar and feather some 'justices', or go down with the ship as these clowns are blowing holes in our constitution.

37 posted on 06/12/2005 11:22:03 PM PDT by budwiesest (Too many cops, not enough 2nd Ammendment? Welcome to California.)
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To: Jedidah
Take a deep breath and choose to be thankful, just for today, for the freedoms we have rather than scratching around for something to complain about.

You are right and I daily thank God for my freedoms. I also feel a responsibility to pass them on, mainly because so many people sacrificed their lives for the ones we currently have. I have been given so many gifts, and I am determined to make sure future generations receive the same. I am not whining, just trying to buck the current trend towards limited freedoms for future generations.
38 posted on 06/12/2005 11:24:38 PM PDT by microgood
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To: budwiesest

"We either tar and feather some 'justices', or go down with the ship as these clowns are blowing holes in our constitution."

The tar would go good with their black robes. It's amazing what idiots they are, with their "interpretation" of the consitution. Some laws, like most gun control, are even in violation of the constitution. I've also had trouble finding the article or amendment in the constitution that makes it illegal to say the pledge to the flag in school.


39 posted on 06/12/2005 11:25:30 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: quidnunc
This guy has no clue of the difference between a democracy and a republic.. especially THIS republic.. unique for any republic that ever existed.. and absultely NOT a democracy..

There are three words found NOWHERE in the U.S. Copnstitution..
1) democracy..
2) democratic.
3) democrat..

It was on purpose not an oversight.. A democracy is governed by MOB RULE.. like England, Canada, and other URPean countrys.. Democracy is the source of socialism...

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx

40 posted on 06/12/2005 11:37:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: TYVets
"No, we are forcing arabs to eat water-logged chickens. And that is just wrong."

At least it's not the dreaded PORK!

41 posted on 06/12/2005 11:50:54 PM PDT by lainde
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To: microgood
You are right. It is time to come up with a good list of lost freedoms. I will work on that diligently and when I come up with it, I will ping you. Great Idea.

Here's a good place to start...

"The Loss of Freedoms List" (FR post 1/25/05)

42 posted on 06/13/2005 1:21:15 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: quidnunc

The parliament system that other countries have is far inferior to America's, with our term limits and a directly elected president.


43 posted on 06/13/2005 3:40:13 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: TYVets

I am speaking about water logged chickens.


44 posted on 06/13/2005 8:50:15 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: budwiesest

If that chicken did die trying to swim, we know for certain that it did so screaming, "Give me liberty or give me death!"


45 posted on 06/13/2005 8:52:58 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Cowboy Bob

"I thought the story was supposed to teach us that its okay for ducks and chickens to intermarry."

If the chicken had gotten an operation to change it to a duck then everything would have been ok.


47 posted on 06/13/2005 9:08:23 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Paleo Conservative

Exactly! To say that America's have different human nature that other nationalities is silly. Humans are Humans. And Humans in a democracy will eventually vote in Socialists, and then kill each other.

Humans in a Republic fare better.

It's a silly proverb, like the old Chinese one about a Frog and a Scorpian. The Scorpian needed help crossing the stream, a frog volunteers and midway across the stream the scorpian stings him and they both sink to their deaths..

Frog "I helped you, why did you sting me, now we will both die"

Scorpian "I'm a Scorpian, this is what I do"

It's typical apallogetics for Matieralism, which means idiotic. It excludes the Cowboy (American/Spiritualism).

Cowboy (scraping scorpian from bottom of his boot) "Son of a B' Scorpian!"


48 posted on 06/13/2005 9:16:04 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: microgood

I could go on for a 1000 paragraphs on that topic.

I'll spare you. No point repeating what every body knows.


49 posted on 06/13/2005 9:37:36 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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