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THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES
1776 | The Founding Fathers

Posted on 06/13/2005 7:29:51 AM PDT by TheOtherOne

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To: TheOtherOne

bookmark!


52 posted on 06/13/2005 8:21:16 AM PDT by Sam Cree (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy)
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To: billbears

I don't see a way to stop the growing government at this point. Well there is a way, the same way we stopped the British Crown.

As a country, we have fallen so far away from what the founding fathers expected. If they saw the size and scope of the current federal government, they would take up arms again, all the while chastising us for letting it get so out-of-hand. FDR would have been run out of town on a rail, along with Lincoln, and most presidents from about 1840 on.

What they put into the Constitution was so simple and clear, I really can't understand why it's become so muddied.


53 posted on 06/13/2005 8:21:27 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Peace - that brief moment in history where everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: TheOtherOne
>> Oh, okay -- if you mean it as a pun, then yes, it's entirely on the mark! Good one.

> It was my defense for misspelling Constitution, and it was originally unintentional...but ridiculously ironic. So, I have added it as my first tagline. And now, the pun is intentional.

Excellent! And BTW, spelling trivia aside, thanks for the thought of posting the U.S. Constitution, even if a dupe post. Fact is, that's my own hobby-horse as well. I keep a copy on my writing desk, the Bill of Rights is my best explanation for why I'm One Proud American, and my daughter (11 y.o.) and I read it out loud together sometimes as a reminder of how lucky we are to live here.

So I applaud your intentions, and thank you.

54 posted on 06/13/2005 8:23:43 AM PDT by dayglored (One Proud American)
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To: antony
That was the purpose of Article VI, not the Bill of Rights.
56 posted on 06/13/2005 8:34:45 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: TheOtherOne
I remember reading about the ANSWER kooks whining about the constitution and how "limited" it is. Basically it was too free for them with not enough socialist programs built in. They need something like the 500 page socialist Euro constitution to feel at home.
57 posted on 06/13/2005 8:40:44 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Interestingly enough, the requirement to have only 9 states ratify the Constitution for it to come into effect may have been illegal. Under the Articles of Confederation, it states that any changes made had to be unanimous.
58 posted on 06/13/2005 8:43:09 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: agitator
Especially those pesky first 10 amendments. Who needs them anyway, we need to be safe from...

We DON'T need them!! Thier inclusion in the Constitution as amendments is one of the MAJOR reasons that a vast majority of the people believe that thier rights come FROM the government!!

Hamilton SPECIFICALLY warned against a "Bill of Rights", stating, in essence, that by explicitly stating that the Congress shall pass no law... that this would be perversely construed to mean that the Congress WOULD have had that power had that amemdment not been included!!

NOWHERE in the constitution is the congress, the president, or the courts given the power to violate our freedom of speech, etc... (all of those enschrined in the BoR) or any other right which we retained unto ourselves.

59 posted on 06/13/2005 8:45:56 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: mysterio

11th Amendment The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by citizens of another State or by citizens or subjects of any foreign state.

How do you read this one? With internatinal laws and trates and WTO cases, etc - but the foreign states would include class-action lawsuits as the decisions in one state do not affect those in another correct?


60 posted on 06/13/2005 8:57:15 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"Hamilton SPECIFICALLY warned against a "Bill of Rights", stating, in essence, that by explicitly stating that the Congress shall pass no law... that this would be perversely construed to mean that the Congress WOULD have had that power had that amemdment not been included!!

I believe that James Madison, who wrote the amendments, agreed with Hamilton on that. That we would think the "Bill of Rights" were our only rights. In fact, that is exactly what most of us now do think. I hate to think how many times I have seen a post by a freeper stating that this right or that right is not spelled out in the Constitution, as if we are limited to the rights spelled out in the first 10 amendments.

Or conversely, how many times does one see posts arguing that our government is not prohibited from doing this or doing that, so it must be legal.

When in fact, our government is limited to the powers enumerated, while our freedom is unlimited, restricted only by those laws which our society has found necessary.

61 posted on 06/13/2005 9:52:40 AM PDT by Sam Cree (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy)
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To: edcoil

It seems to give states immunity from federal lawsuits, or from lawsuits using federal law. Last year, two men in Florida sued a state university citing age discrimination. The age discrimination law was federal, and the university claimed immunity under the 11th Amendment. The judge agreed and threw the case out.


62 posted on 06/13/2005 9:56:05 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: TheOtherOne

You need to find a new source. Your constitution is an amendment short.


64 posted on 06/13/2005 10:09:18 AM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Melas

mea culpa

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html


65 posted on 06/13/2005 10:10:38 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed.)
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To: eyespysomething
What they put into the Constitution was so simple and clear,

Simple and clear are beautiful words that most dismiss as ignorance and stupidity, as they do not allow for the prattling of the "intellectual elite" to use 15 letter words, that most have never heard of, in 10,000 word commentaries, that once uttered, render said rhetoric ineffective, as they fail to corroborate the essence of their thesis. I think ;*)

I really can't understand why it's become so muddied.

All the better to "alter" the original intent such as those posted in #46.

66 posted on 06/13/2005 10:24:18 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: TheOtherOne

Ever notice how many people seem to think that "Give us your tired, your poor...." is part of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.


67 posted on 06/13/2005 10:24:20 AM PDT by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

the anti-federalists were also very prescient


68 posted on 06/13/2005 10:25:01 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: AnOldCowhand
Ever notice how many people seem to think that "Give us your tired, your poor...." is part of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
69 posted on 06/13/2005 10:35:19 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: AnOldCowhand
Ever notice how many people seem to think that "Give us your tired, your poor...." is part of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

. Everyone knows that is part of the LA Clippers draft guidelines.

70 posted on 06/13/2005 10:35:40 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Everyone knows that is part of the LA Clippers draft guidelines.

That explains the new ending: "....your huddled masses and criminal element..."

71 posted on 06/13/2005 10:38:57 AM PDT by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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To: TheOtherOne

BTTT


72 posted on 06/13/2005 10:40:25 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: AnOldCowhand
"Give us your tired, your poor...."

Yes, ingnorance scares me.

Emma Lazarus...'founding mother' who knew.

73 posted on 06/13/2005 10:44:52 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed.)
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To: TheOtherOne
Emma Lazarus...'founding mother' who knew.

Wasn't that Baby Spice of the Spice Girls?

74 posted on 06/13/2005 10:49:57 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Man, you're not going to bait me into turning my Constitution thread into a chick photo thread. Are you?
75 posted on 06/13/2005 10:51:21 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed.)
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To: agitator; LS
the anti-federalists were also very prescient

Do you mean the original anti-federalists, the Nationalists, or do you mean the federalists that the anti-federalist started calling the anti-federalists and then themselves the federalists?

76 posted on 06/13/2005 10:52:35 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Peace - that brief moment in history where everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: ops33
Under the Articles of Confederation, it states that any changes made had to be unanimous.

No one ever claimed that adoption of the Constitution was consistent with the Articles of Confederation. That wasn't the point. We ditched the AofC, just as we ditched tbe British Crown.

77 posted on 06/13/2005 10:55:36 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Thomas Jefferson II
Reading the Constitution again made me tear up. Here are some passionate quotes regarding our constitution:

"I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag" - Craig Washington

"I also wish that the Pledge of Allegiance were directed at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, as it is when the President takes his oath of office, rather than to the flag and the nation" - Carl Sagan

"The principles of a free constitution are irrecoverably lost, when the legislative power is nominated by the executive" - Edward Gibbon

"If the 1st Amendment means anything, it means that a state has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch." -Thurgood Marshall

"Our Constitution was not written in the sands to be washed away by each wave of new judges blown in by each successive political wind." -Hugo Black

"Since when is "public safety" the root password to the Constitution?" - C.D. Tavares

"The government was set to protect man from criminals, and the Constitution was written to protect man from the government." -Ayn Rand

"The Framers [of the Constitution] knew that free speech is the friend of change and revolution. But they also knew that it is always the deadliest enemy of tyranny." -Hugo Black

"Even where Congress has the authority under the Constitution to pass laws requiring or prohibiting certain acts, it lacks the power directly to compel the States to require or prohibit those acts." -Supreme Court

78 posted on 06/13/2005 10:56:29 AM PDT by to_zion
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To: TheOtherOne
Does John Locke Matter?


John Locke

John Locke (b. 1632, d. 1704)


http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/
79 posted on 06/13/2005 11:12:08 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: ChadGore

Sure he matters. I see your John Locke and raise you a John Milton.

http://www.bartleby.com/3/3/1.html


80 posted on 06/13/2005 11:16:52 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed.)
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To: TheOtherOne

Clear, concise, divinely inspired!


81 posted on 06/13/2005 11:24:31 AM PDT by mr_hammer (I call them as I see them!)
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To: Caged in Canuckistan

What a contrast to the European "Constitution." Ours is direct and to the point. After over 200 years, we've only had to add a few paragraphs and haven't yet had to change a thing. We could probably fit 10 of our Constitutions inside the Euro preamble alone!


83 posted on 06/13/2005 12:21:14 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

To understand it's history and interpretation, you need the Annotated Constitution.

http://www.eco.freedom.org/ac92/


84 posted on 06/13/2005 12:21:19 PM PDT by djf ("Stop quoting the law. We have swords!" - Roman general Sulla)
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To: TheOtherOne
I'll see your John Lock, John Milton, and raise you a Socrates on "Protagoras", by Plato.
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/protagoras.html




On the one hand, hardly can a man become good,
For the gods have made virtue the reward of toil,
But on the other hand, when you have climbed the height,
Then, to retain virtue, however difficult the acquisition, is easy.
85 posted on 06/13/2005 12:32:02 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: TheOtherOne
Thanks for the John Milton . . it brings back great memories to re-read him again.
86 posted on 06/13/2005 12:45:57 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: TheOtherOne
John Milton Audio
87 posted on 06/13/2005 12:52:21 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: ChadGore
Cool, thanks for the links. I tried to listen, but I need to get realAudio for Mac first...later today.

It is amazing how many great thinkers there were, and what a shortage it seems we have today. Or maybe just too many voices today that I miss the intelligent ones in the noise.

88 posted on 06/13/2005 1:01:26 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed.)
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To: antony

As a matter of fact, I've read most of it.


I did not in my original post indicate whether or not I agreed with any of it. I simply pointed out that it existed.

If you want to start a flame war over it, go for it. But argue with Congress, not me, because Congress authorized it's creation in 1992.


90 posted on 06/13/2005 4:23:51 PM PDT by djf ("Stop quoting the law. We have swords!" - Roman general Sulla)
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To: antony

And the 16th amendment means NOTHING because only Congress has the authority to coin money


92 posted on 06/17/2005 6:33:40 AM PDT by Thomas Jefferson II
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