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GOP Congressman Wants Troops Out of Iraq
Associated Press ^ | June 13, 2005

Posted on 06/13/2005 9:06:36 AM PDT by robowombat

GOP Congressman Wants Troops Out of Iraq Associated Press June 13, 2005

RALEIGH, N.C. - A Republican congressman who voted for the Iraq war said Sunday that "we've done about as much as we can do" in the country and that the reason for invading Iraq has proven false.

Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina will be among the lawmakers introducing legislation this week calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq.

"When I look at the number of men and women who have been killed - it's almost 1,700 now, in addition to close to 12,000 have been severely wounded - and I just feel that the reason of going in for weapons of mass destruction, the ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all been proven that it was never there," Jones said on ABC's "This Week."

President Bush has said any timetable for withdrawal would encourage insurgents to wait for the foreign troops to leave, but Jones said he believed Iraqis can defend their own country.

His stance leaves Jones sided with Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, the most prominent Democrat calling for a timetable to leave Iraq. Jones said he had not discussed the issue with Kennedy.

Two years ago, Jones helped lead an effort to make sure Capitol Hill cafeterias retooled their menus to advertise "freedom fries" instead of french fries to protest France's opposition to the war.

Jones said he began changing his mind about the war after attending the funeral in April 2003 for Sgt. Michael Bitz, 31, who was killed in the southern city of Nasiriyah. He recalled that Bitz's widow read the last letter she received from her husband.

"And that really has been on my mind and my heart ever since," he said.

Jones, whose district includes Camp Lejeune and Cherry Point, has written condolence letters to the families of more than 1,300 service people killed in Iraq, and posters outside his congressional office show the faces of those killed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; walterjones
Anyone in Freepland know anything about Con. Jones.
1 posted on 06/13/2005 9:06:36 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat



Well...I know he is pretty darn near sighted. And now becoming a mouth piece for the morons of this country.


2 posted on 06/13/2005 9:08:17 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Soylent green is people!")
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To: robowombat

Republican lawmakers urge shift in Iraq plans
Posted by Pikamax
On News/Activism 06/13/2005 12:42:33 AM CDT ·
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421728/posts

GOP Congressman Wants Iraq Timetable - Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C
Posted by Former Military Chick
On News/Activism 06/12/2005 7:49:17 PM CDT ·
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421623/posts


3 posted on 06/13/2005 9:10:56 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: robowombat

Well, it's just not going to happen--we're building bases to create a permanent presence there to secure the entire region. All we can do is keep fighting the insurgency. They have to get ahold of those borders though, every nutcase jihadist from the middle east is coming in to kill our troops.


4 posted on 06/13/2005 9:12:11 AM PDT by ktvaughn
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To: robowombat

hell, we all want them out of iraq...we just don't want them out "right now"


5 posted on 06/13/2005 9:17:33 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: robowombat

I know he doesn't understand that a timetable for withdrawal is beyond STUPID.

This guy should be forced to Play Poker with all of his Cards Face up, everyone else gets to hold them and instead of cash the stakes would be his Political future, say chips valued at Day, Week, Month and Year, start him out with 20 years worth of chips.

He would either get smart or be gone in very few hands


6 posted on 06/13/2005 9:17:39 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: robowombat
I'm pretty sure he represents Camp Lejeune. So maybe he's getting pressure from some military families who want their husbands home or at least some type of schedule on what their return home might be. He needs the military vote to get reelected.

Besides, I don't think a timetable is unreasonable. At the very least, it will help with troop morale.
8 posted on 06/13/2005 9:21:31 AM PDT by americaprd
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To: liberty2004

opps, bad formatting, sorry.


9 posted on 06/13/2005 9:21:31 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: robowombat

"Jones said he began changing his mind about the war after attending the funeral in April 2003 for Sgt. Michael Bitz, 31, who was killed in the southern city of Nasiriyah."

Well, this would mean that Congressman Jones began changing his mind about the war long before it was determined that there were no WMD's in Iraq. We were still taking Baghdad and Tikrit in April 2003 - major combat operations weren't even over at that time.

Something is wrong with this guy. I understand opposing the policy, but to go from "Freedom Fries" one day to siding with Ted Kennedy the next is just bizarre.

Hopefully a more stable Republican will force a primary challenge and beat Jones.

Longbow


10 posted on 06/13/2005 9:21:54 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: robowombat
Anyone in Freepland know anything about Con. Jones.

Anyone know what the letter said?

11 posted on 06/13/2005 9:22:23 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: robowombat

The MSM continues beating the drums with the Rat's traitorous talking points: get out of Iraq.


12 posted on 06/13/2005 9:24:07 AM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: robowombat
Jones is a solid congressman but maybe he's working with too much emotion and not enough thinking here.

War means casualties. Yes, that is a tremendous sacrifice. But you can't lose your head when they inevitably happen.

13 posted on 06/13/2005 9:24:48 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: ktvaughn
Well, it's just not going to happen--we're building bases to create a permanent presence there to secure the entire region. All we can do is keep fighting the insurgency.

The country was sold on the idea of going to Iraq to eliminate the threat Hussien would develop and share WMD. It wasn't asked about creating a permanent presence there to 'secure the entire region'. In case you forgot, our presence in Saudi Arabia 'to secure the region' is what initiated OBL's war on Americans.

We got tired of fightin 'the good fight' in Vietnam and left, it wasn't the end of the U.S. The 2008 election will be about how to get out of Iraq.

14 posted on 06/13/2005 9:25:42 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

You can read portions of the letter here:

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2063548/detail.html


15 posted on 06/13/2005 9:31:34 AM PDT by americaprd
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To: Gunslingr3
Dear Mom:
This is the largest battle group the US has set up since the Korean War. The only difference is that we have the means of doing much more damage today than we did back then. Honestly, between God, you and I, I would rather go back home with my wife and kids. Janina and all the other wives were able to come out to the beach and stay for three hours the night before we splashed our Assault Amphibious Vehicles out to the ship. ..... That last five minutes was the hardest of my life. We both were full of tears. It was easy for Joshua cause he was asleep at that time. But I am sure that he woke up the next morning wondering where Daddy was. ..... Well Mom, that is enough about me. I love you very much and now your young warrior is to be going now.

Love, your son,
Michael

Bitz, 31, of Ventura, Calif., and Williams, 31, of Yuma, Ariz., were killed March 23 in Nasiriyah by Iraqi soldiers who pretended to surrender, then opened fire when Marines approached.


16 posted on 06/13/2005 9:38:14 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Gunslingr3

So what're we doing with troops in Germany and Japan? We aren't likely to need them any time soon. But the democratization of the Middle East is only beginning, and we should leave as many troops as the Iraqis are comfortable with, right there where we're most likely to need them. Goodness, we have bases all over the world...why not there, in the hottest of hot spots? I assumed that was a big part of the point, myself.


17 posted on 06/13/2005 9:38:59 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: robowombat
Negative.

As President Bush has repeatedly said Victory is the timetable.

18 posted on 06/13/2005 9:41:53 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

Maybe Bush could have added: "Mother's Little Helpers Need Not Apply".
Where did all these "EXPERTS" come from anyway?


19 posted on 06/13/2005 9:48:03 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: CBart95
Where did all these "EXPERTS" come from anyway?

I suspect they came from the left, Republican by label or not.

20 posted on 06/13/2005 9:50:20 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: robowombat

He won last time with 84%. That means if you can beat him in a primary we still hold the seat. Bye walter.


21 posted on 06/13/2005 9:56:18 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

This is exactly why Americans should be Hawks. See an enemy Kill him.


22 posted on 06/13/2005 10:15:40 AM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Love, your son,
Michael

Bitz, 31, of Ventura, Calif., and Williams, 31, of Yuma, Ariz., were killed March 23 in Nasiriyah by Iraqi soldiers who pretended to surrender, then opened fire when Marines approached.

We don't kill the enemy we either stand there and let them kill us or we feed them rice and chicken.

I wish I had rice and chicken with Islamic menu Vegtables.

Last night I had a horrible chicken sandwich and fries with some syrup in carbonated water, Sprite, from McDonalds.

23 posted on 06/13/2005 10:20:51 AM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: Longbow1969
Obviously not a global thinker. Few politicians are. If you see a politician with well groomed hair, he is probably an "influencer", friendly, outgoing, but a poor decision maker. People who work for this type may like them as a person, but their indecisiveness will drive you nuts.

Bush on the other hand is a High Drive type, not so worried about his looks, generally a global thinker, good decision maker, and tends to be blunt straight shooter. Usually a fair boss.

OK, I had a consulting company and we tested people for management style.... I could go on, but.....
24 posted on 06/13/2005 10:43:14 AM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: JohnnyZ

Absolutely. It amazes me how quickly people lose perspective. We probably lost 1,700 troops in the first couple MINUTES of D-Day!! War stinks and men die, God rest thier souls. I am with Bush on this: we set a timetable and the terrorists will wait, gain strength and strike the minute were out of there. Just like Hamas & Islamic Jihad are probably doing right now with the Isreali / Palestinian cease fire - such as it is.


25 posted on 06/13/2005 11:03:51 AM PDT by wingsof liberty (Marines - the few, the proud, the best!!)
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To: Gunslingr3
We got tired of fightin 'the good fight' in Vietnam and left, it wasn't the end of the U.S. The 2008 election will be about how to get out of Iraq.

BS, we didn't get tired of fighting the "good fight" in Vietnam. We were forced out by the MSM and the communists sympathizers in this country who both lied about how we were losing. We were winning, the Tet offensive was the communists last gasp and the MSM convinced people that somehow we were losing and we cut back on the bombing and limited our soldiers to where they could go and what they could do, giving the North time to regroup and reorganize. We withdrew because people like this senator had their heads square up their a**es and simply gave up.

We could have finished that war years before we pulled out if the government had shown some courage. We are going through the same stupid phase with the MSM now as we did then. This time though we have FR and lots of blogs to tell the truth. The MSM will not win this one, we will.

26 posted on 06/13/2005 11:04:38 AM PDT by calex59
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To: robowombat

Jones is a true believer, a very principled conservative, a devout Catholic, and also the originator of the phrase "freedom fries" when the French went against us.

He was the congressman standing up for Sgt. (?) Ilario Pantano (sp?) when he faced possible prosecution for killing two Iraqis during action on the ground. He was one of a handful of GOP congressmen who voted against the prescription drug fiasco both times and he and has an ACU lifetime rating of 94. He is the backer of a religious freedom bill that allows churches to endorse political candidates without fear of retribution by the IRS (they always had that freedom before LBJ). He's in his sixth term as a congressman.

The lesson is that a lot of people, including those sympathetic to Bush, are wishing we could get out of Iraq. Support for Bush and support for the war are not univocal -- when you see approval of Iraq getting low, keep in mind that a lot of the people who disapprove are not hostile to Bush at all and would probably vote for him again, but still want out.


27 posted on 06/13/2005 11:07:58 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: calex59
BS, we didn't get tired of fighting the "good fight" in Vietnam. We were forced out by the MSM and the communists sympathizers in this country who both lied about how we were losing. We were winning, the Tet offensive was the communists last gasp and the MSM convinced people that somehow we were losing and we cut back on the bombing and limited our soldiers to where they could go and what they could do, giving the North time to regroup and reorganize. We withdrew because people like this senator had their heads square up their a**es and simply gave up.

Your timeline leaves out Nixon, and his election on the pledge to find peace with honor. He was elected to get us out, and he did by bombing the crap out of the North. We got a peace agreement, and then we got the hell out. When the North invaded in '75 we pulled the few hundred advisors we still had there and we didn't go back.

We could have finished that war years before we pulled out if the government had shown some courage.

If you mean by invading the North I think that would have only invited China directly into the war, and created another stalemate like Korea. Truman didn't bother to try for re-election with his 25% approval rating once the war broadened. If you think a broader war in the Middle East is what we need, I think you want a Democrat president. The GOP better hope GWB can put a pretty face on Iraq by 2008.

28 posted on 06/13/2005 1:45:48 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: TexasTransplant

We know he thinks he understands, we need to tell him he is Wrong. (I'm this " far away from calling him a putz!)

TT


29 posted on 06/13/2005 4:30:32 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: robowombat

No I don't about him. Also our Service people are doing a great job. Don't take this away from them. Our guys that fought in Viet Nam won all the battles and lost the war because of the Communists within us, and the media. We are not in a populiality contest to get the world to love us. We don't want the world to take over AMERICA. So don't let our people in uniform down this time. God Bless them all.


30 posted on 06/13/2005 4:39:22 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Gunslinger, I just call it as I see it. I didn't say I was for it...


31 posted on 06/13/2005 5:12:57 PM PDT by ktvaughn
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To: jmaroneps37

So if he's not worried about his own re-election, maybe he's worried about his party retaining the majority?


32 posted on 06/14/2005 2:31:55 AM PDT by Halleck (A fine is a tax for doing wrong - A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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