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Free Republic ^ | 6-13-2005 | DTogo

Posted on 06/13/2005 10:21:02 AM PDT by DTogo

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I voted "Expanded" as I'd personally like to see it encompass organizations that can demonstrably be proven as engaging in seditious and/or harmful behaviour to the country. Freedom of the press and speech is one thing, but if it fans the flames of our enemies and/or results in harm to our troops or civilians, some form of penalty should ensue. Like yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre. IMHO
1 posted on 06/13/2005 10:21:02 AM PDT by DTogo
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To: DTogo
Made part of the Constitution, along with:

The Bill of Rights applies ONLY to U.S. citizens and legal resident aliens.

2 posted on 06/13/2005 10:23:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (It's not up to the gov't to give you an education. It's up to you to take it from them......)
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To: DTogo

Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.


3 posted on 06/13/2005 10:23:37 AM PDT by loborojo (What the hell is a "Reagan Democrat"?)
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To: DTogo

The biggest problem is who the government see as a problem.


4 posted on 06/13/2005 10:24:01 AM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotle)
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To: DTogo

I voted pull back, because probably anything the gubmint does ought to be pulled back. Unless they start a big initiative to pull things back. I'd probably say they should expand that one, but then again, you never know.


5 posted on 06/13/2005 10:24:28 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: loborojo

Ditto


6 posted on 06/13/2005 10:24:29 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: DTogo

Fighting words are already illegal. What sorts of additional restrictions on free speech do you think would help prosecute the war on terrorism?


7 posted on 06/13/2005 10:24:33 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: DTogo
Freedom of the press and speech is one thing, but if it fans the flames of our enemies and/or results in harm to our troops or civilians, some form of penalty should ensue.

I agree. They can't use the freedom of speech as a Trojan horse to whip up anti-American feelings.

8 posted on 06/13/2005 10:28:41 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: loborojo

It all depends on what the government decides is "wrong".


9 posted on 06/13/2005 10:29:07 AM PDT by kenth
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To: loborojo

Just remember that a Democratic Administration (Hillary) can use the Partiot Act to target...uh, Freepers.


10 posted on 06/13/2005 10:30:47 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: DTogo
I voted to eliminate it.

If we have to live in a police state, the terrorists win.

11 posted on 06/13/2005 10:31:05 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: kenth

As long as they leave beer out of it, I am ok with making it permanent.


12 posted on 06/13/2005 10:31:10 AM PDT by loborojo (What the hell is a "Reagan Democrat"?)
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To: loborojo
If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

BS.

13 posted on 06/13/2005 10:31:58 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: DTogo

I agree with Huck. Pull back.


14 posted on 06/13/2005 10:32:16 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: loborojo
Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

. . . said George III to the 13 Colonies.

15 posted on 06/13/2005 10:33:17 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: loborojo
If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

Waco, Ruby Ridge, Billy Dale(railroaded by Klintons), Bull Connor, King George III and Lord North.

Government isn't trustworthy enough with that power.

16 posted on 06/13/2005 10:33:51 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: DTogo

I got an idea better than the patriot act.

How about we stay out of foreign entanglements?


17 posted on 06/13/2005 10:34:14 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: DTogo

Yeah, I voted expanded too, which to me meant extended also. I still want it to be temporary (as the need for resticted freedoms is necessary in time of war).

I felt somewhat limited on my choice. I would have preferred to vote extended/expanded.


18 posted on 06/13/2005 10:35:04 AM PDT by colorcountry (Um....I got nothin')
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To: DTogo


Permanent...Threat of islamic terrorism is real and here to stay!!!! We have no option but to defend america and in doing so if we have to forgo some rights then so be it.


19 posted on 06/13/2005 10:35:28 AM PDT by phoenix_004
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To: Dan from Michigan
I voted to eliminate it.

I'm leaning in that direction myself. I just haven't decided 100% yet.

20 posted on 06/13/2005 10:37:11 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: colorcountry

I voted permanent. I would be willing to vote expanded/extended in times of war. I just think that W.O.T. is here to stay.


21 posted on 06/13/2005 10:38:02 AM PDT by loborojo (What the hell is a "Reagan Democrat"?)
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To: loborojo
Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

I absolutely despise this line of reasoning.

With it, I can say: "If you are not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry about warrantless searches."

With it, I can say: "If you are not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry 24/7 automated surveillance."

With it, I can say: "If you are not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry about financial privacy."

Your take on it is the antithesis of what this country should -- and used to -- stand for.

22 posted on 06/13/2005 10:38:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: DTogo

I voted to pull back. If we can't profile passengers on an airplane, then why should our citizens sacrifice any rights.


23 posted on 06/13/2005 10:39:50 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: loborojo
I just think that W.O.T. is here to stay.

Exactly. And we have a rollback of our rights just temporarily, while this permanent war is carried out.

It's a police-state politician's wet dream.

24 posted on 06/13/2005 10:40:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: phoenix_004
We have no option but to defend america and in doing so if we have to forgo some rights then so be it.

Utterly amazing.

Hitler would have loved a few million with your opinion.

Come to think of it, he did.

25 posted on 06/13/2005 10:43:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: phoenix_004

A perfect recipe for tyranny. If FR is a good sampling of freedom loving people in the US, then our liberties are truly in joepardy.


26 posted on 06/13/2005 10:43:21 AM PDT by PaRebel (Self Defense: an unalienable right!)
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To: phoenix_004
How is the patriot act defending us against Islamic terrorism.

Especially when our borders are not guarded.

27 posted on 06/13/2005 10:43:22 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: Age of Reason

What? Actually follow the words of Washington instead of what passes for foreign policy now? I voted dump it. The patriot act is a slap in the face to anything the Framers would have intended


28 posted on 06/13/2005 10:43:55 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: DTogo

I also voted expanded. In addition to what DTogo wrote, I'd like to see something like:




We assist businesses in the USA, and allied nations, in proactively reengineering foreign operations and supply chain designs in order to avoid:

* Providing aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA and allies;

* Becoming dependent on markets and sources in nations that demonstrate a high likelihood of future anti-Allied aggression;

* Negative public relations owing to association with anti-Allied military aggression; and

* Interruptions in continuity of supply and operations due to embargos, seizures of facilities and assets by hostile entities, war between great powers, treason indictments and investigations affecting corporate officers and management, and any other disruptions of a geopolitical nature.


29 posted on 06/13/2005 10:44:32 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Lazamataz

I thought this thread was to post your reason for voting one way or another, not slamming people for voting a certain way.


30 posted on 06/13/2005 10:45:30 AM PDT by loborojo (What the hell is a "Reagan Democrat"?)
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To: DTogo

It was poorly named and as a result, became a target for American hating and fearing leftists. It should have just been called, "The anti-Terrorism Act".


31 posted on 06/13/2005 10:45:58 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I'm glad to see that there are still a few Freepers who are unwilling to let a Reichstag fire spook them into endorsing an overturning of the 1919 Weirmeir Republic Constitution.


32 posted on 06/13/2005 10:46:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: DTogo
There's no footnote after the Bill of Rights that says "unless you want to catch a terrorist or a drug user."

I say repeal it.
33 posted on 06/13/2005 10:47:23 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: loborojo
I thought this thread was to post your reason for voting one way or another, not slamming people for voting a certain way.

The thread is intended for discussion of the issue.

Your comments pertain to the issue, I am making my observations about those.

I note you don't defend your comments. That is wise.

34 posted on 06/13/2005 10:48:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: loborojo

So perhaps you would support putting video cameras in everyones' homes and cars? I mean, if you aren't doing anything wrong, what's the problem?


35 posted on 06/13/2005 10:48:45 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Lazamataz
I voted to drop it.

If the politicians/law enforcers would DO THEIR JOBS, it would cut back on quite a FEW terrorist minded cretins. The Patriot Act is going to be a VERY dangerous weapon in the hands of demoncraps.

36 posted on 06/13/2005 10:49:33 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: Lazamataz

There's a book you would enjoy called "This Perfect Day". In it the populace were "innoculated" against diseases and during the "innoculation" process, were also prevented from having children, growing facial hair, having birth defects, acquiring any unusual or unique characteristics, thinking outside the box, needing freedom, nurturing creativity, experiencing weather changes, etc. It kind of follows this line of thinking. I think it's by Ira Levin....


37 posted on 06/13/2005 10:50:26 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: mommadooo3
The Patriot Act is going to be a VERY dangerous weapon in the hands of demoncraps.

I don't think the Republic will survive it.

38 posted on 06/13/2005 10:50:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: DTogo

I voted drop it, it's anti-American. Giving up rights is a slippery slope that no American, who truly understands what this country was built on, should want to go down.


39 posted on 06/13/2005 10:50:38 AM PDT by rattrap
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Everyone here who voted for extend it, expand it, or make it permanent need to ask themselves two things.

Do you trust John Kerry, Bill Klinton(who pushed for his own Patriot Act over the drug war), Janet Reno, Ted Kennedy, Dianne Feinstein, Charles Schumer, or Jimmy Carter with this power?

Do you trust mid level bureaucrats with this power?

40 posted on 06/13/2005 10:52:23 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: Lazamataz

The Republic didn't survive F. Roosevelt!


41 posted on 06/13/2005 10:52:28 AM PDT by PaRebel (Self Defense: an unalienable right!)
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I voted to end it.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ---Benjamin Franklin
42 posted on 06/13/2005 10:52:56 AM PDT by stompk
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To: DTogo

I voted "cut-back". I understand that we are at war, but it has not been explained to me what has been prevented in exchange for the loss of liberty that is associated with the Patriot Act.

I can understand (but don't agree with) the "Extended" or "Expanded" vote, these people trust the govmt more than I and probably want the borders closed.

I cannot understand why anyone would want a wartime act made "Permanent".


43 posted on 06/13/2005 10:52:57 AM PDT by kidd
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To: DTogo
I hit "Pass" on this poll. I would have chosen "Reviewed".
44 posted on 06/13/2005 10:53:57 AM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: PaRebel
The Republic didn't survive F. Roosevelt!

We still had the vestiges of the BoR, but it appears those, too, are going away.

Surprisingly, with a lot of American's blessings.

45 posted on 06/13/2005 10:54:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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I am reading all these responses in an effort to help me decide how I want to cast my vote.

It seems to me, the Partiot act would curtail American rights. I've had enough of my rights taken away as it is.

If our National security was so important to our government...why didn't they close down our borders on 9-11?

46 posted on 06/13/2005 10:54:42 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: loborojo

Re: your tagline---

See Zell Miller...


47 posted on 06/13/2005 10:55:12 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: DTogo

I'm torn b/t renewing it as is or reducing some of the items. I'm all for keeping America safe, but not at the cost of limiting our freedoms. And like someone mentioned above, I'm worried about what HRC would do as president.


48 posted on 06/13/2005 10:55:33 AM PDT by crispy78
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I wonder how many selfish people wouldn't mind changing their opinion on having the patriot act implemented if it were to save them on 9/11/01 standing on the top floors of the WTC as the planes hit and they had to decide to jump off the building hitting the pavement at 200 MPH?
49 posted on 06/13/2005 10:55:46 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: DTogo

Me too!


50 posted on 06/13/2005 10:56:21 AM PDT by zerosix
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