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Posted on 06/13/2005 10:21:02 AM PDT by DTogo
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>>I voted to eliminate it.<<
"I'm leaning in that direction myself. I just haven't decided 100% yet."
Have you made up your mind yet?
"Simultaneously punishing and placating the adherents of Islamic fascism achieve nothing. It is not insults and intolerance that fuel the fires of fascism, it is our appeasement and our own self-abasement that provide fuel for the fire."
There was a time when I thought I had an education that money could not buy, having spent a good portion of my live living in a Muslim country has turned into the curse of Cassandra instead.
As am I. If I can't tweak the choices, I'll have to vote for getting rid of it. Too many scary scenarios possible with the leftist dims, if they get ahold of it.
I am totally enjoying the different responses and reasons...I just love Freepers--they are all so smart!
Me too. This is just the input I wanted. I wanted to hear different explanations from FReepers before I voted.
And not sponsored by those nation states named
An attack against the US doesn't have to be on US soil.
It has to be against something US owned. Attacks on or in other nation states as well as attacks on civilians that have chosen to go into a danger zone are not the responsibility nor concern of the national government
But let just concentrate on the future. What do we do in Iraq now?
Establish your silly democracy. Pat everybody on the back when the job's done. It won't last if the citizens of that nation decide differently, which they more than likely will.
I like the bombs that are going off in Iran and am waiting for them to go off in Syria. If we can knock off those governments, then we will be making buku progress.
You like deaths of innocent civilians? Bloodthirst a bit in overdrive don't you think? And of course, you'll be able to provide Constitutional grounding to 'knock off those governments' won't you? Of course not. But don't let that stop the rambling WOT for you
"If people need convincing to be free, then they probably don't deserve to be." -L. Neil Smith.
We will be reaping osama's whirlwind for decades. He got more than he ever thought he would.
If you agree then why is it necessary for us to fight in Iran and Syria? Let those people change their own government if they want freedom!
This willingness to give up the blood of American soldiers is something that disturbs me. If you have a son who will be on the front lines in those countries then I'll view your post will more respect.
I just find it mystifying that someone with the moniker april15Bendovr would support an even more powerful government over one's life.
Repealed before they use it on all of us.
Here's what they plan for our futures.
God have mercy on their heathen souls when our next 9-11 happens. God also have mercy on the politicians who are in office when that happens.
bend over again...
You state you are a constitutionalist. On what grounds should the Bill of Rights be suspended?
I own houses in four states, thousands of miles apart. Two are out west, and two are here in the east. On the way out last fall, I entered into Oklahoma on I-40 heading west. I was traveling with a group of cars, at ONE MILE OVER THE POSTED LIMIT. I had committed no illegal acts, nor was doing anything unusual, but my car was singled out to pull over.
I challenged the stop, as soon as the cop came alongside my car. After a little debate, the officer asked me if I was carrying (insert long list here) anything illegal. I asked him for a reason why he asked the question, and he started getting belligerent with me... I did not back up from him, but pressed for him to acknowledge he was fishing...
Know your rights. They will keep you OUT OF TROUBLE!
I will categorically state that anyone naive enough to think that one item of the Patriot Act has prevented another attack, probably should get help.
Or, just talk to the Santa. He will understand...
Islam and Christianity do not mix. 9-11 taught us that the hard way because we refused to learn any other way.
Only when we lose our Rights do we yearn to have them again.
I agree with all you said, and thanks for the break in tension with Santa. I caught your meaning by the way. Just saying, seeing the Santa, made what you posted all the more better. Fairy Tales. :-)
"I asked him for a reason why he asked the question, and he started getting belligerent with me... "
They are fun times, oh yes.
On 9-11, I knew this day would be coming soon and I have been dreading it.
Only 15.5% believe as I do. That is very unnerving.
I don't go into Syria and Iran to give them freedom, but to give them hell for attacking us and sponsoring those who have and will again.
I find it frightening how few of the poll respondents want this thing removed or scaled back. Reading some of the replies in this thread gave me chills and made me have to step away from the computer for a minute. What is going on when so many people can't see how wrong this is? And this is just the obvious one that grabs the headlines--what about all the other power grabs by our government that go unreported?
What the heck do we do when even the self-described "conservatives" are in favor of these things? Is our country lost? Are we too far gone for repair?
If I was in the White House;
This would be well known througout the entire world.
Sponsor terrorism against the US of A and:
Your whole country will be glass, nothing will be moving because you sponsored terrorism against the US of A or you loaded your WMD and threatened America. There will be no UN discussions, none of that nonsense. Threaten America and you will have made your last mistake.
No soldiers will come to give your people freedom from you because you will have taken it away from them forever.
It's the "our guys are in charge so its OK" syndrome. "Our guys" ain't gonna stay in power forever. Considering some of the crap "our guys" have been pulling lately? It's getting to be more like "battered spouse syndrome".
It is frightening. And, unbelievable that so few want it dropped
What is going on when so many people can't see how wrong this is? And this is just the obvious one that grabs the headlines--what about all the other power grabs by our government that go unreported?
It's hard to believe that so many conservatives have no qualms about the government being given the authority to go around, kicking down their doors without warrants.
God help us all should the Patriot act pass.
If you could have a "Do over" on your vote for the Patriot Act...would you vote the same way...or change your vote?
I'd like a mulligan, if you please....
Change mine from "Pull Back" to "Eliminate".
The "rights" you speak of are not the same as the rights in the BOR. The rights being eroded under the Patriot Act are some enumerated in the BOR and are considered un-alienable, or rights inherent in being a person, often referred to as natural rights.
The glorious thing about the founding of our country is that, for the first time in human history, the natural rights of mankind were to be protected by a government created for that very purpose!
We are losing those rights.
Thank you. I believe this thread has accomplished something, it's caused some to pause.
I only just gave my vote today...time to drop it cold.
We are losing those rights... at the hands of the Government that was supposed to protect those RIghts.
The problem with that thinking is that you are not taking into account the definitions and standards of "right" and "wrong", and the probability that some unscrupulous politician may one day change those definitions to legally violate the rights of innocent citizens.
Ya, if the numbers remain the same, we'll have to change the site from FreeRepublic to SecureRepublic. ;)
It should be reason enough to hang for treason everyone who signed it.
I voted "permanent," because I don't smoke anything that makes people paranoid.
Well with some of the posts you've made, your fear may be legitimate.
Federal agents have for decades been permitted to issue administrative subpoenas in order to investigate such matters as narcotics trafficking, insider trading, health care fraud, and even violations of the Occupational Health and Safety Act (OSHA). Since the Supreme Court has not ruled these subpoenas unconstitutional, my understanding of the constitution is the same as the Supreme Court. If someday the court rules those subpoenas as unconstitutional too, then I will change my opinion to match yours.
and you have absolutely no foresight.
I foresee terrorism as the biggest threat to our national security for the foreseeable future.
They brought this one to our shores!!
We don't need a demon-rat with the patriot act in their pocket.
I have a German friend who is shocked at the police state we now live in, in America.
The fact that a citizen of the birthplace of Nazism can be shocked like that, is shocking. ~ Lazamataz
Are Americans really so different from Germans? Nope. A thought that has caused me many a sleepless night.
President Hillary!TM has an orgasm every time she thinks of what the Patriot act can do in her hands.
At least the schmart Germans had a place to run to. If the USofA goes bad, where in the world is safe?
I was sued recently because a drugged up woman came over to my house and tried to grab a less than one day old puppy from it's momma. She was bitten. (DUH!)
I wasn't home.
It's not my dog.
I did nothing wrong.
She won $75,000.00
No man's Life, Liberty, or Property are safe as long as court is in session.
Because they hate our freedom, right?
Just remember that a Democratic Administration (Hillary) can use the Partiot Act to target...uh, Freepers.
and so can a republican administration
wrong is wrong
YUP!! Then we sent it back with postage due.
A sad thought.
Peace and safety...
I'm afraid I don't see too much of either in Americas future at the moment. But, as long as there's hope, there's a chance.
I think you missed the Biblical reference...
What's the entire verse?
Repealed. Why give up our liberty to a government that will not enforce its sovereignty? Guard its borders? Protect its people from invasion?
The Patriot Act was not enacted when Clinton, Reno, etc were in control and we still had Waco and other abuse of power.
We need the Patriot Act now...it is not perfect and some kinks need to be ironed out...but toss it and see what happens.
So easy to say, "protect our borders," but the enormity of doing so is more complicated than mere words.