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[Kansas Education] Board member Morris: Evolution a 'fairy tale'
The Wichita Eagle ^ | 13 June 2005 | JOHN HANNA

Posted on 06/13/2005 6:23:59 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards for Kansas' public schools.

A newsletter written by board member Connie Morris, of St. Francis, was circulating on Monday. In it, Morris criticized fellow board members, news organizations and scientists who defend evolution.

She called evolution "a theory in crisis" and headlined one section of her newsletter "The Evolutionists are in Panic Mode!"

"It is our goal to write the standards in such a way that clearly gives educators the right AND responsibility to present the criticism of Darwinism alongside the age-old fairy tale of evolution," Morris wrote.

Morris was one of three board members who last week endorsed proposed science standards designed to expose students to more criticism of evolution in the classroom. The other two were board Chairman Steve Abrams, of Arkansas City, and Kathy Martin, of Clay Center.


Kathy Martin and Connie Morris

Morris was in Topeka for meetings at the state Department of Education's headquarters and wasn't available for interviews.

But her views weren't a surprise to Jack Krebs, vice president of Kansas Citizens for Science, an Oskaloosa educator.

"Her belief is in opposition to mainstream science," he said. "Mainstream science is a consensus view literally formed by tens of thousands people who literally studied these issues."

The entire board plans to review the three members' proposed standards Wednesday. The new standards - like the existing, evolution-friendly ones - determine how students in fourth, seventh and 10th grades are tested on science.

In 1999, the Kansas board deleted most references to evolution from the science standards. Elections the next year resulted in a less conservative board, which led to the current, evolution-friendly standards. Conservative Republicans recaptured the board's majority in 2004 elections.

The three board members had four days of hearings in May, during which witnesses criticized evolutionary theory that natural chemical processes may have created the first building blocks of life, that all life has descended from a common origin and that man and apes share a common ancestor. Evolution is attributed to 19th Century British scientist Charles Darwin.

Organizing the case against evolution were intelligent design advocates. Intelligent design says some features of the natural world are so complex and well-ordered that they are best explained by an intelligent cause.

In their proposed standards, the three board members said they took no position on intelligent design, but their work followed the suggestions of intelligent design advocates.

In her newsletter, Morris said she is a Christian who believes the account of creation in the Book of Genesis is literally true. She also acknowledged that many other Christians have no trouble reconciling faith and evolution.

"So be it," Morris wrote. "But the quandary exists when poor science - with anti-God contempt and arrogance - must insist that it has all the answers."

National and state science groups boycotted May's hearings before Morris and the other two board members, viewing them as rigged against evolution.

"They desperately need to withhold the fact that evolution is a theory in crisis and has been crumbling apart for years," Morris said.

But Krebs said Morris is repeating "standard creationist rhetoric."

"People have been saying evolution is a theory in crisis for 40 or 50 years," Krebs said. "Yet the scientific community has been strengthening evolution every year."


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1 posted on 06/13/2005 6:23:59 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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A pro-evolution science list with over 280 names.
See the list's description at my freeper homepage.
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2 posted on 06/13/2005 6:25:06 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

No one ever said we were evolving toward beauty.

Nice enough?


3 posted on 06/13/2005 6:26:36 PM PDT by Steve_Stifler
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To: PatrickHenry

Dinosaurs = Jesus Horses.


4 posted on 06/13/2005 6:26:40 PM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: All
In case anyone cares to learn a bit about the subject before sounding off:
The List-O-Links.
How to argue against a scientific theory.
5 posted on 06/13/2005 6:30:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
If by scientific analysis, the TOE can be shown to be flawed in one or more areas then why are evolutionists not willing to discuss it? Is it the tie-in with creationism that they dislike or just criticism of the theory in general?
6 posted on 06/13/2005 6:37:01 PM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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New species of fruit flies...?


7 posted on 06/13/2005 6:37:58 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mulch
re: If by scientific analysis, the TOE can be shown to be flawed in one or more areas then why are evolutionists not willing to discuss it?)))

What you have here is a fanatic, a crank, an obsessive ... all kinds of news to discuss, all kinds of politics to bandy about in a political forum, but someone just wants to take on those barefoot ignorants who dare to wonder if this theory just might have a few large holes in it...

8 posted on 06/13/2005 6:42:23 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mulch

Haven't you been paying attention lately?

We're all evolving to be gay.

Ape-like ancestor, Kro-Magnon, Homo-Sapien, Homo-Sexual.

Just like the flies!!!!


9 posted on 06/13/2005 6:43:10 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("It would be a hard government that should tax its people 1/10th part of their income."-Ben Franklin)
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To: Mulch
If by scientific analysis, the TOE can be shown to be flawed in one or more areas then why are evolutionists not willing to discuss it? Is it the tie-in with creationism that they dislike or just criticism of the theory in general?

The Creation/ID folks have no interest in science or evolution except to destroy them where their particular religious beliefs afford them different viewpoints.

Why should scientists pay any attention to folks who get their scientific training and political motivation from Genesis? They're not out to correct flaws in evolution but to destroy it completely!

Now, here is another creation story for the C/ID folks!


Haida Creation Story

Long ago no divisions existed between humans, animals and spirits. All things of the earth, sky, and, water were connected and all beings could pass freely between them. The Raven was a trickster full of supernatural power. He stole the sun from his grandfather Nasshahkeeyalhl and made the moon and stars from it. The Raven created lakes, rivers and filled the lands with trees. He divided night and day, then pulled the tides into a rhythm. He filled the streams with fresh water, scattered the eggs of salmon and trout, and placed animals in the forests. The first human was hiding in a giant clamshell and Raven released them onto the beaches and gave humans fire. Raven disappeared and took with him the power of the spirit world to communicate and connect with humans.


10 posted on 06/13/2005 6:45:58 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: Altair333

LOL


11 posted on 06/13/2005 6:46:10 PM PDT by cubram
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To: Coyoteman

Other wild theories from zealous believers:

Man descended from early aardvark

UK Times online ^ | January 21, 2003 | Mark Henderson, Science Correspondent

EVERY mammal, including Man, is descended from a creature that was genetically similar to the modern aardvark, scientists have found.

The last common ancestor of the placental mammals lived about 100 million years ago and had a genetic profile that is closer to that of the African anteater than to any other species that survives today, according to new research.

Detailed analysis of the chromosomes of several representative species — including aardvarks, African and Asian elephants and human beings — has revealed that the aardvark has the greatest number of features in common with other mammals. That suggests that it is the closest living relative of our common ancestor — a kind of mammalian missing link.

The findings, by British, Chinese and South African scientists, do not necessarily mean that the last common mammalian ancestor looked like a modern aardvark, or that it survived by eating insects.

They show, however, crucial chromosomal similarities that will cast important new light on the process by which mammals evolved and came to dominate the Earth. Details of the study are published today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Fengtang Yang, of Cambridge University, who led the research, said: “The chromosomal make-up of the common ancestor closely resembles that of the modern aardvark. The ancestor, though, was not necessarily morphologically similar: chromosomal evolution and morphological evolution are not always parallel.”

The aardvark, which means “earth pig” in Afrikaans, is a nocturnal animal that lives all over Africa, ranging from southern Egypt to the Cape of Good Hope. It grows to about 5ft or 6ft in length, which includes a 2ft tail, and resembles a hump-backed, long-snouted overgrown rat.

It is an insectivore that thrives on ants and termites, which it collects using its long tongue and sticky saliva. The Latin name for the species is Orycteropus afer, meaning “one that has feet for digging, from Africa”, and it is the only member of the order Tubulidentata — one of the 18 orders of mammal.

The genetic study, which also involved researchers from Stellenbosch University in South Africa and the Chinese Academy of Sciences, examined the chromosomes of the aardvark, the African and Asian elephants, and people. Existing data about the chromosomal structure of other species, such as cattle, dogs and cats, were included.

The scientists said that the common ancestor probably belonged to a mammalian “super order” known as Afrotheria, which includes the aardvark and both species of elephant.


12 posted on 06/13/2005 6:51:22 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("It would be a hard government that should tax its people 1/10th part of their income."-Ben Franklin)
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To: From many - one.

check later


13 posted on 06/13/2005 6:51:27 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Mulch
If by scientific analysis, the TOE can be shown to be flawed in one or more areas then why are evolutionists not willing to discuss it? Is it the tie-in with creationism that they dislike or just criticism of the theory in general?

The ID movement's modus operandi is to spout old creationist arguments - with updated rhetoric - and loudly claim a controversy within science. And by golly, the public schools should "teach our the controversy!"

As a PR strategy it's brilliant, but as an actual, honest scientific critique it's barren.

14 posted on 06/13/2005 6:52:01 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING: SQL Queries for Mere Mortals by Hernandez & Viescas)
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To: TitansAFC
The scientists said that the common ancestor probably belonged to a mammalian “super order” known as Afrotheria, which includes the aardvark and both species of elephant.

Now that's some family tree!

15 posted on 06/13/2005 6:53:38 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: PatrickHenry

An article I read in Xinhua a while back describes evolution as a secular humanist religion. The author was commenting about the "hypocracy" of American "moralists."

All I'm saying is, if they can see it...


16 posted on 06/13/2005 6:54:14 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: PatrickHenry

You, again...


17 posted on 06/13/2005 6:55:05 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: Coyoteman

---"The scientists said that the common ancestor probably belonged to a mammalian “super order” known as Afrotheria, which includes the aardvark and both species of elephant."---

---"Now that's some family tree!"---

Oh.....if only I could draw, I could have so much fun with this.....LOL


18 posted on 06/13/2005 6:55:40 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("It would be a hard government that should tax its people 1/10th part of their income."-Ben Franklin)
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To: Mamzelle
What you have here is a fanatic, a crank, an obsessive ... all kinds of news to discuss, all kinds of politics to bandy about in a political forum, but someone just wants to take on those barefoot ignorants who dare to wonder if this theory just might have a few large holes in it...

The theory of evolutin had more than a few holes in it. Darwinism is shot full of holes, likewise neo darwinism and punctuated equilibrium. Mutation has been proven to be false from experiments with fruit flies, Macro evolution has bit the dust due to no transitional fosils in the fosil record and none alive today.

I am not a creationist,I am not an evolutionist, I am a person in search of the truth and the truth is neither creationist or evolutionist can prove or recreate their theories.

Therefore there is a third theory that hasn't been discovered yet, one that explains everything.

Actually if you were to look at the evidence now, creationist are in the lead, but still they haven't proven anything. Let the bashing commence.

19 posted on 06/13/2005 6:57:41 PM PDT by calex59
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Can you help me understand the evolutionist's argument regarding the statistical probability question regarding evolution?
20 posted on 06/13/2005 7:01:02 PM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: calex59

"Therefore there is a third theory that hasn't been discovered yet, one that explains everything."

Not possible for we in the flesh to comprehend the theory that explains everything.


21 posted on 06/13/2005 7:05:27 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Mulch
Can you help me understand the evolutionist's argument regarding the statistical probability question regarding evolution?

Hypothetical time heals all statistical wounds.

22 posted on 06/13/2005 7:05:41 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: PatrickHenry
National and state science groups boycotted May's hearings before Morris and the other two board members, viewing them as rigged against evolution.

Ya think?

23 posted on 06/13/2005 7:08:51 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (One is not superior merely because one sees the world in an odious light - Vicomte Chateaubriand)
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To: calex59
Macro evolution has bit the dust due to no transitional fosils in the fosil record

Sort of amazes me how people have the chutzpah to flat out lie like that, especially when it's people that consider themselves generally holier-than-thou.

24 posted on 06/13/2005 7:10:21 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: PatrickHenry
"Mainstream science is a consensus view literally formed by tens of thousands people who literally studied these issues."

Maybe this guy needs to take an English class, literally. All you evo's need to do is let a fair and equal voice be heard. By not allowing it you are no better than a liberal rat.

25 posted on 06/13/2005 7:11:11 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: calex59

third theory

political correctness, maybe?


26 posted on 06/13/2005 7:16:30 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: vpintheak
All you evo's need to do is let a fair and equal voice be heard

Why not give fair and equal time in school to the folks that think the earth is balanced on the back of a big turtle?

The idea that "All ideas are equally valid" is actually typical of Leftists and political correctness.

27 posted on 06/13/2005 7:20:09 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
Sort of amazes me how people have the chutzpah to flat out lie like that, especially when it's people that consider themselves generally holier-than-thou.

To start with I state that I am not a creationist. I am not a christian. To end with, show me an transitional species, one that is viable, that has been identified by ALL scientist to be a transitional speicies. The reason evolutionist went to the punctuated equilibrium theory and neo darwism is because there was a derth of transitional species. The fosil record and the speices today do not support darwism.

As far as holier than thou attitude goes, I am not a christian and do not believe in the bible. I do not believe in evolution either.

The fact that you only read part of my post shows me that you are an idiot. Judge me as you will, evolution is a dead duck and will fade away in a few years. A third theory will eventually come to light, killing both evolution and creationism.

28 posted on 06/13/2005 7:20:54 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Strategerist

Liberals alway accuse their opponents of their own sins.


29 posted on 06/13/2005 7:23:41 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the post. It's refreshing to see such honesty from creationists. If they get a few "victories" like this, they will become overconfident and they will really start to blab.


30 posted on 06/13/2005 7:26:29 PM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: calex59
Let the bashing commence.

No need. You bash yourself quite well without help.

31 posted on 06/13/2005 7:27:35 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: calex59
To end with, show me an transitional species

All species are transitional. Welcome to the real world. :-)

32 posted on 06/13/2005 7:29:31 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer

Be specific.


33 posted on 06/13/2005 7:30:41 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: vpintheak

---"Mainstream science is a consensus view literally formed by tens of thousands people who literally studied these issues."---

---"Maybe this guy needs to take an English class, literally. All you evo's need to do is let a fair and equal voice be heard. By not allowing it you are no better than a liberal rat."---

You miss the point. Nobody likes their beliefs challenged, not even Evolutionists. Following suit (as most people do when their beliefs are challenged), it is usually the motives of those who challenge the beliefs that get attacked. In the case of evolutionists, they will be quick to actually TELL you what YOUR motives are (see many above posts). You're never going to get a tit-for-tat scientific showdown, so to speak, on the issue. You'll have an easier time challenging the theory of man causing global warming.

To an Evolutionist, typically, there is little to debate because they believe their theology is above reproach based on the idea that it is, of course, immune from the "fallacies" of religion and therefore the only true science. Whether or not that science is actually sound is not a debatable topic because it is "proven." "Proven" in this case simply means that it enjoys a certain percentage of agreement in an acceptable community (say, scientists, for example), while also enjoying the intellectual invulnerability that comes with being (supposedly) a-religious. Scientific challenges abound to said theory (Evolution); but as I said, it is not the merits of the argument that typically get debated, it is the motives of the opposition. Nobody of any faith likes to hear that the science "doesn't add up," if you would.

Most Evolutionists (though not all) you meet, however, hardly qualify as scientists. You will find few who have ever, for example, Carbon Dated a fossil. Yet they, like other believers, would die before they'd have other systems of beliefs held in equal standing.

They can deny it from here until Kingdom Come, but it is still a theory that cannot possibly be appropriately tested or proven/disproven to the extent that it would need to be to end the debate. The Flat Earth debate, for example, ends with the obvious physical proofs of the orbus Earth. No such proof is possible with Evolution or Creation.


34 posted on 06/13/2005 7:31:52 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("It would be a hard government that should tax its people 1/10th part of their income."-Ben Franklin)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

---"third theory"---

---"political correctness, maybe?"---

LOL wormholes. Lots of wormholes.......;-)


35 posted on 06/13/2005 7:33:30 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("It would be a hard government that should tax its people 1/10th part of their income."-Ben Franklin)
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To: calex59
Mutation has been proven to be false from experiments with fruit flies,

It has???

Macro evolution has bit the dust due to no transitional fosils in the fosil record and none alive today

I dispute that there are no transitional fossils in the fossil record. However, I agree that no transitional fossils are currently alive!

36 posted on 06/13/2005 7:33:43 PM PDT by Youngblood
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To: Youngblood

You may claim that you dispute it but, that does not qualify as a disputation.


37 posted on 06/13/2005 7:39:26 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: derheimwill

All means All. :-)


38 posted on 06/13/2005 7:40:21 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: TitansAFC
Data (1) (1)

The head of the Galactic Confederation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet -- 178 billion on average) by mass implanting.
He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H Bomb on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2) and then the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic Area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged."

His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.
When through with his crime Loyal Officers (to the people) captured him after 6 years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confed.) has since been a desert.

39 posted on 06/13/2005 7:41:13 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Youngblood
I agree that no transitional fossils are currently alive!

How would you know, unless you could see what the distant descendants will look like? Most species alive today weren't around 100 million years ago. So everything that lived back then was either transitional or went extinct. Besides, what would you expect a transitional species to look like?

40 posted on 06/13/2005 7:41:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Be specific and discreet (i. e. poiniant and germain)!


41 posted on 06/13/2005 7:43:04 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: PatrickHenry
So everything that lived back then ...

Well, just about everything. Not counting bacteria, some worms, etc.

42 posted on 06/13/2005 7:43:30 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"So be it," Morris wrote. "But the quandary exists when poor science - with anti-God contempt and arrogance - must insist that it has all the answers."

How long before she calls for blasphemy trials for those who disagree with her?

43 posted on 06/13/2005 7:44:16 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: calex59
I am a person in search of the truth and the truth is neither creationist or evolutionist can prove or recreate their theories.

The evolution side is the only one that has a theory. And no theory is ever proven.
44 posted on 06/13/2005 7:45:00 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry
How would you know, unless you could see what the distant descendants will look like?

Er, are you saying that there are fossils that are alive?
45 posted on 06/13/2005 7:46:19 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: vpintheak
All you evo's need to do is let a fair and equal voice be heard.

What "equal" voice?
46 posted on 06/13/2005 7:46:51 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: vpintheak

BTTT


47 posted on 06/13/2005 7:50:45 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: TitansAFC
To an Evolutionist, typically, there is little to debate because they believe their theology is above reproach based on the idea that it is, of course, immune from the "fallacies" of religion and therefore the only true science.

Why do creationists invent such bizarre "explanations" as to why evolution is still accepted by biologists in the futile attempt to pretend that the only reason that it still stands is that no one has brought forth a credible challenge to the theory? If they spent half as much time doing real research as they do coming up with tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories on a secret cabal of scientists dedicated to support what is allegedly the biggest and longest-running hoax on professional biology (often claimed to be a direct attempt to destroy religion and, with it, all of Western Civilization), they might actually have a real claim to bring to the table.
48 posted on 06/13/2005 7:52:24 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Morris said she is a Christian who believes the account of creation in the Book of Genesis is literally true.

Which would explain why the Kansas board hired Moslem Fundamentalist Mustafa Akyol as a witness.

49 posted on 06/13/2005 7:53:25 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Coyoteman

Have the original autograph do you? This is romantic piffle.


50 posted on 06/13/2005 7:54:30 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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