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CA: Governor announces special election for Nov. 8
The Orange County Register ^ | Monday, June 13, 2005 | JOHN GITTELSOHN and HANH KIM QUACH The Orange County Register

Posted on 06/13/2005 7:06:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Flux Capacitor

Go to the head of the class, Flux!


61 posted on 06/13/2005 11:56:28 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: calcowgirl
Prop 98 has no business of having its base raised just because a year has unexpected tax receipts. This is one of the battles now and why the education establishment screams he owns them three additional billion over the two billion increase he proposed in his budget.

You might hate this debut shuffling too but if it gives CA the room necessary to grow its way free and clear of the giant sink whole caused by Davis and the union-bought cleptocrats in the Legislature then I have no qualms with it. Would you rather he raise taxes and continue on the path of doom? Do you realize just HOW MUCH of the budget is mandated by automated increases? The governor's tried other things such as cutting waste and doing an audit but there are systemic problems suffocating the state long term.

62 posted on 06/14/2005 12:03:47 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: Lancey Howard
Help me make sense of that - - the voters in Kalifornia elect the socialists but then reject by referendum what the socialists do? Are the voters there really that stupid?

Not stupid, just trapped by the way the districts are apportioned. No one runs anything but token opposition in any district. There's no competition. The districts are drawn such that they produce a socialist near supermajority in the legislature. Those Dems, who were elected with hundreds of millions in union dollars, do their socialist scheming best rather than representing the Will of the People. It's one of the flaws in representative Republics.

THANK GOD we have the power of referendum and recall at our disposal to undo, override and eject the num-nuts as necessary. It's difficult, though, because the money battle in elections way's heavily in favor of Dems who benefit from union money robbed from works who may not support their legislative agenda if they had a choice. Thus Arnold brings the "paycheck protection" and "reapportionment" reforms to the Nov election so *maybe* the People will be able to just elect good representatives and go back to living their lives rather than having to govern directly via the ballot box.

63 posted on 06/14/2005 12:12:45 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Slave Party has already amassed $200 MILLION to fight these iniatives.

Paycheck protection is the real battle.

64 posted on 06/14/2005 12:16:25 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
http://www.lifenews.com/state1086.html

Schwarzenegger Call for California Election Prompts Abortion Vote

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
June 13, 2005

Sacramento, CA (LifeNews.com) -- Because California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is set to call for a special election in November on other political issues, voters in the Pacific state will have an opportunity to vote on a measure allowing parental notification on abortion. Backers of the ballot initiative, to determine whether or not parents should be told when their teenager daughters are considering an abortion, received enough signatures to get the measure on the ballot.

While they only needed 600,000 to qualify, pro-life advocates turned in more than one million.

The "Tell a Parent" initiative has received support from Monty Patterson, the father of California teenager Holly Patterson. She died in September 2003 after using an RU 486 abortion drug she obtained from a San Francisco-area Planned Parenthood.

The abortion business did not tell Monty Patterson about his daughter's abortion. He only found out when he was summoned to the hospital after Holly began having serious complications.

A Zogby poll published in June of 2002 indicated 71 percent of California residents surveyed support parental notification.

However, organizations like Planned Parenthood of California and the national Feminist Majority Foundation and making plans to oppose the initiative.

"It endangers young women's lives period," Katherine Spiller, executive director of the Feminist Foundation, told the Marin newspaper.

Schwarzenegger is busy taking on organized labor and probably won't weigh in heavily on the abortion debate. Though he supports abortion, he has indicated his support for parental notification.

The California state legislature passed a parental notification law in the mid 1980s.

The state Supreme Court ruled the law constitutional in 1996 but, with a change in personnel, the court reversed itself in 1998.

The ballot proposal is significant in that it is a constitutional amendment which would not be subject to the state Supreme Court. While federal courts would have jurisdiction over the amendment, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that parental notification is constitutional as long as teens can don't have to tell their parents in abuse situations.

Supporters of the California initiative believe that such an amendment could mean 20,000 fewer abortions in the state each year.

The majority of U.S. states now have parental notification or parental consent laws on the books and such laws have reduced teen abortions by as much as 30 percent.

Related web sites:
Tell a Parent - http://www.ParentsRight2Know.org

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Note: that United Way supports Planned Parenthood, and dollars in California go to "hide" rape of very young girls. There was a case in reported in January of a 13 year old San Diego girl taken to an abortion clinic by the mother of the 13 year old's boyfriend. The mother of the boyfriend took the 13 year old out of school and to the abortion clinic.

When the mother of the pregnant girl found out about this, she tried to stop this by going to the abortion clinic.

When the mother arrived at the abortion clinic, she found out that being the mother of the girl did not give her a right to see her daughter.

The mother of girl was not allowed to stop this, and tried to gain access to the abortion clinic -- but had "no rights".

Just another example of your United Way Dollars at work... ...Through Planned Parenthood...

65 posted on 06/14/2005 4:40:46 AM PDT by topher (One Nation under God)
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To: Diago; cpforlife.org; Salvation; Goodgirlinred; NYer

Ping -- Parental Notification is part of this special election -- see Post #65.


66 posted on 06/14/2005 4:43:00 AM PDT by topher (One Nation under God)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting thread bump! Thanks for posting Arnold's speech.


67 posted on 06/14/2005 4:49:03 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Seaplaner
Only to a MARXIST is a VOTE considered a POWER GRAB.

Damn, but that would make a great tagline. Mind if I borrow it?

68 posted on 06/14/2005 6:25:45 AM PDT by steveegg (Free John Bolton!)
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To: calcowgirl; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Bonaparte
So lemme get this straight.... California has had statewide elections in 2002 (midterm), 2003 (recall), 2004 (presidential), 2005 (arnold's budget), 2006 (midterm), and probably 2007 (redistricting proposal for 2008?)

With all the "special elections" you guys can just abolish regular elections and still have voters show up at at the polls every two years. Geesh.

69 posted on 06/14/2005 8:13:38 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP - www.NOLaHood.com)
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To: TeleStraightShooter

I noticed the (R)noldHaters media campaign started several months ago.

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FRom Day 1,, same can be said for President Bush. They never sleep. ;-)


These are not our Grandfather's political ways these days.

The amount of money and such and interests makes it a real me$$. Oughta just hang'em all and let God sort it out.


70 posted on 06/14/2005 9:07:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Lancey Howard
My taxes got cut instead of raised. It was refreshing.

A tiny blip on the radar, while everything else seemed to go straight up, including the national debt, not to mention the loss of good jobs and our borders. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems one would expect much more from a Republican controlled congress.

71 posted on 06/14/2005 9:41:09 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: BillyBoy

Why are you butting into our procedures for handling OUR "CHAOS"!!!

This is working,,,,we are trying to prevent an advancement of SOCIALISM...


72 posted on 06/14/2005 9:49:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: newzjunkey
You're an idiot if you think this is about cowardice to use the veto pen.

He has failed to use it to manage spending. (Lack of) action speaks for itself. (The personal insults don't help your argument any.)

I'd like to see him do more but that is *NO* reason to scoff at his proposed reforms.

Every proposed law should be critically evaluated. Sometimes they are good, sometimes bad.

The Paycheck Protection initiative...

I will vote for this. In case you didn't notice, Arnold did not propose this and has yet to endorse it, so it is hardly his proposed reform.

Reapportionment gives us a fighting chance to bring the state back under the People's control rather than the inept politicians carving out nice little safe districts for one another in backroom deals. No CA legislative or Congressional office changed parties despite the air of reform among the people. It's a protection racket that needs to be broken.

I have doubts this will break any racket. And handing over power to a few specially unelected (selected individuals) retired judges is not an improvement, IMO. What have judges done for us lately? It hasn't been positive. The Secretary of the State has already said this cannot be implemented per the schedule defined in the law. Why vote for a law that is not doable as written? Bad law results in future problems.

Keeping school teachers from getting tenure too easily will help us take the schools back from the NEA and their big labor allies.

Maybe, but maybe not. If the NEA and leftists are in charge of the schools, who exactly do you think would be in charge to fire them from their posts? Isn't it more likely that the leftists would be given even more power to eliminate the right thinking teachers who don't go along with the NEA? Regardless, it will also probably increase the teacher shortage we have today. This hardly "puts the kids first."

One veto is nothing if the state could return to a Dem governor next year and explode spending, raise taxes across the board, suffocate the returning revenues, the improve business climate and other things which have helped California turn around.

Who said anything about one veto? Arnold currently has the power of line item veto; it isn't limited to a one-time action. I suggest he should have used it more often to veto useless bills (foie gras?) and those unaffordable bills offered by the leftists. Also, Proposition 58 gave the governor new powers to achieve a balanced budget by suspending the passage of all legislation. Why not use the tools available to him instead of falsely stating that the debt is increasing by billions each year.

Grow up! Arnold's trying to look at the SYSTEMIC ILLS, not fight brush wars.

More insults. How quaint.

73 posted on 06/14/2005 10:05:27 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

CA: Real fiscal reform? Not this initiative

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422630/posts


74 posted on 06/14/2005 10:07:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: steveegg
Steve, please be my guest, sir.
75 posted on 06/14/2005 10:12:35 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: newzjunkey
You might hate this debut shuffling too but if it gives CA the room necessary to grow its way free and clear of the giant sink whole caused by Davis and the union-bought cleptocrats in the Legislature then I have no qualms with it. Would you rather he raise taxes and continue on the path of doom? Do you realize just HOW MUCH of the budget is mandated by automated increases?

Debt shuffling? He is proposing to authorize the issuance of bonds for current and future unfunded spending, i.e. new debt. Most of this is not caused by Davis, and blaming everything on the guy that left a year and a half ago is getting old. This is spending that Arnold has allowed by proposing ever increasing budgets and deferring expenses that should have been funded through current revenue. He ran on a platform of CUT, CUT, CUT and is instead proposing to BORROW, BORROW, BORROW.

The governor's tried other things such as cutting waste and doing an audit but there are systemic problems suffocating the state long term.

He abandoned the audit in favor of the California Performance Review and "blowing up boxes." The CPR was a mishmash of unsupported proposals that saved very little money. Instead of sifting through it for anything worthwhile, he abandoned that too. Arnold is adding to the systemic problems by loading us down with debt service that will not be paid back for decades to come.

76 posted on 06/14/2005 10:17:53 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; BillyBoy

I have to disagree EATB.

From his posts over the last two years, it is obvious he consistently follows California politics and has offered more productive comments than the majority of posters. Other states are facing many of the same problems in fighting socialism; his views in that fight are welcome.


77 posted on 06/14/2005 10:23:39 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: REDWOOD99

I know, gonna be fun, huh?


78 posted on 06/14/2005 10:54:47 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Great news!

“With the people’s help, there will be reform,”

79 posted on 06/14/2005 11:21:51 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: calcowgirl; BillyBoy; NormsRevenge

OK, I apologize and withdraw the Caps....that was over the top!

He was about the 4th or 5th to complain about all the elections .....and I had a short fuse!

As far as what Arnoold is doing,...it is definitely a long way from what a Real Conservative would do....he is still playing too much to the Mushy Middle....which is a problem everywhere in this country....but the ball is moving in the right direction..... mostly!


Now it is a GREAT PAIN to watch all this crap of the politicians playing to the mushy middle....that's for sure....but they are a fickle and inattentive bunch ....and there are a LOT of them.....

The REAL Solution is to move more of them to our side!


80 posted on 06/14/2005 11:34:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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