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Posted on 06/14/2005 12:47:47 PM PDT by sergey1973
Oriana Fallaci is 75 years old. The renowned Italian journalist lives in hiding because of death threats she received after the publication in 2001 of her book The Rage and the Pride. She is dying of cancer. And now she is going to go on trial for defaming Islam.
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Got to keep those infidels in line - who know what else they might do...
How about the rest of the world who thinks Islam is made up of a bunch of thugs who are still stuck in the 7th century following the drugged out teachings of a murdering pedophile.
A perfect example what may happen when sensitivity is legislated. It becomes illegal to offend anyone, even those who seek to destroy a modern civilization and replace it with barbaric code of conduct.
I'm for freedom of speech, even if Muslims get ticked off. I've never heard of anyone getting prosecuted for "defaming" another religion. Religious beliefs are fine for those that believe them, but beliefs are not above criticism.
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Certainly. I didn't hear that modern Christians were suing (let alone threatening to kill) Martin Scorcese for defamation after "The Last Temptation of Christ" or other attacks on those who criticize Christianity or Christians. Nobody heard of rampaging buddists after Taleban destroyed ancient Buddah statues in Afghanistan. Islam should not be given a special protected from criticism status.
FReedom of speech DOES NOT EXIST in the EU. This is PROOF POSITIVE!!!!
Special protection, no. But I think that blasphemy is a serious offense and a civilized society should offer protection against it to all religious. Just because we hold to the barbaric notion that any public insult is "freedom of speech" doesn't mean the Muslim should.
You see, annalex, blasphemy is often ill-defined term. Is it a blasphemy to attack Islamic customs of terrible mistreatment of women in Islamic societies ?
Those who murdered Theo Van Gog thought so. Should we protect the murderers then because they murder in the name of Islam ? Is it a blasphemy to discuss the real life of the prophet Mohammed, including his child wife ?
When New York museum opened the anti-Catholic exhibit (featuring cross in Urine or images of Virgin Mary covered in Dung), I certainly agree it was amoral to allow this exhibit to run using public money. However, had this exhibit opened in some private gallery with private money, I would say that as much as I disapprove it, freedom means freedom (including for the views I strongly oppose).
It's a splendid book. God bless her.
The saying 'when in Rome' doesn't seem to apply to the new immigrants there, does it?
Apparently it no longer does. There are "protected minorities" who can do whatever they want simply because they are designated minorities.
Interesting. Most Muslims have no concept of freedom of speech, and if you even discuss Islam rationally, they threaten you with your life. It would be nice if they would keep it in the realm of "speech", instead of rioting and killing every time some mention of "desecration" is made.
The muslims are in for a world of hurt once she gets on the stand. I'll be looking forward to reading about it.
Both are brilliant women but Paglia, by the way - unless she has changed - has always been an Edward Said Arabist-type.
I thought that Oriana Fallaci had become an American citizen and was not held to stupid European laws. I guess I was wrong again!
Go on trial for defaming Islam. Yeah Ok. What`s next, going on trial for defaming Saddam?
Please visit also the Resource Center. The RC is the collection of Internet websites and other documents that deal with various subjects about Islam. This RC is an excellent database for those conducting research on Islam. As members of FFI keep adding links this database the RC is growing into an encyclopedia about Islam.
Index To Islam Data base
Sirat Rasoul Allah The earliest biography of Muhammad, by ibn Ishaq
Life of Muhammad Vol 1 - Vol 2 - Vol 3 - Vol 4 Sir William Muir Esq.
The Muhammadan Controversy Sir William Muir Esq.
Prophet of doom
Apology of Al Kindy By Al Kindi Written in the court of AL MÂMÛN Circa A.H. 215; A.D. 830) in defense of Christianity against Islam. Edited and compiledSir William Muir Esq.
An Introduction to Real Islam and Jihad S.K.M.
Islam Undressed Vernon Richards
Who Authored the Quran? Abul Kasem
The Root of Terrorism a la Islamic style Abul Kasem
Sex and sexuality in Islam Abul Kasem
Women in Islam: An exegesis By Abul Kasem
Muhammad & Islam
Stories not told before Mohammad Asghar
The Quran: An Introduction Theodor Nöldeke
The Original Sources of The Quran Rev. W. St. Clair Tisdall.
Influence of Animism on Islam An Account of Popular Superstitions Samuel M. Zwemer
Heirs of the Prophets An Account of the Clergy and Priests of Islam the Personnel of the Mosque and "Holy Men" Samuel M. Zwemer
Muhammad, Quran and Islam
Is Muhammad Foretold in the Bible John Gilcrist
My Question to Muslims Jochen Katz
Behind the Veil (Unmasking Islam) A book with the Christian perspective containing many good essays on the status of women, discrimination of non Muslims, slavery, origin, contradictions and the errors of Quran.
Quran and Kafir A. Ghosh
Christians Ask Muslims. Gerhard Nehls
The Challenge of Islam Gerhard Nehls
Negationism in India - Concealing the Record of Islam Koenraad Elst
Understanding Islam Through Hadith Sh. Ram Swarup
Hindu Temples: What Happened to Them Vol. 1 Sri Sita Ram Goel
The Calcutta Quran petition Sita Ram Goel
The Bible, The Qur'an and Science Maurice Bucaille
The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science In Response to Maurice Bucaille Dr. William Campbell
The Codification of the Qur'an Text
Qur'an and Embryology (In response to Prof. Keith Moore)
Themes for the Diligent
Books by Iskander Jadeed
A Perfect Quran
Internet Islamic History Source Book
Christian Martyrs in Muslim Spain Kenneth Baxter Wolf
Understanding Islam through Hadis Religious Faith or Fanaticism?
I would let the courts decide if the alleged blasphemy was for real. The general rule should be, in my opinion, that when a speech may be offensive, the speech recipient must be warned. For example, if a book is critical of a given religion and it is clear from its cover, then one who buys the book cannot complain of being offended.
The other test is gratuitousness of offence. It is one thing to be critical of the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary in some theological way, another to slap dung on her image.
Looks like it -:)))
See my preceding post. I agree, it is hard. But, we managed to convict Martha Stewart on arcane stuff no one can comprehend, - why can't we have someone define blasphemy and still discuss religion? It was done for centuries, until Larry Flynt became a 1st Amendment expert.
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I wish I could understand this too. Political Correctness run amok.
Martha Stewart was convicted of lying to an FBI agent. I don't know if she was actually guilty and make no judgment on her case but the charge she was convicted of was neither arcane or difficult to comprehend. Especially for someone who held a seat on the NYSE (as Martha did)
Adel of course, has no problems with "defaming" other religions. He once called the Catholic Church a "criminal organization" and threw a crucifix out his mothers hospital window:
(not being said in an insulting tone) So what??? Blasphemy is a forgiveable offense, Jesus says so. EXCEPT for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. OF which, the mooslimes have NO part of.
And to carry that blasphemy notion a little further....they consider their koran ABOVE desecration. They riot, kill, maim if ANYONE dares to desecrate/blaspheme/disrespect their silly book. BUT YET, they feel NO guilty conscience when they do it to ANOTHER religion's Holy Book. In fact, they REVEL in doing such things.
Makes them hypocrites. They can go pound sand and call the waaahmbulance when they taste their OWN medicine.
I know that in THIS household, we will be praying FOR Oriana, and EXPECTING that NO weapon formed against her will prosper.
That's a good point. For medieval cultures, religion = politics.
My understanding was, she was convicted on insider trading charges, very difficult to legislate or prove offense. If she was not, pick another example. Milken? My point is, we have immensely arcane laws when we think we need them.
Everyone on this thread offends me! How dare you say these things. I am calling the aclu right now and naming each and every one of you as defendants. i want a million dollars each. Please email me your real names and addresses so that we may serve you with the papers. if you do not pay I will send my sons to blow up your houses and rape your dogs.
I will settle for $20 each.
To a Christian, any crime is forgiveable. The issue is laws in a civilized society.
She was convicted on obstruction of justice and lying to investigators. Nothing about her case was difficult to prove. There was a trail of evidence including emails which she and her broker attempted to alter. On top of that the prosecution had a credible witness who placed the call to notify Stewart that the CEO of ImClone was planning to sell his shares. Stewart's only defense was that she had a standing order to sell ImClone if the stock went below $60. It didn't take long to disprove that claim. So, she had inside information and she acted on this informtion for financial gain and later lied about her reasons for selling shares. Easy case.
Paglia talked for a while at the book signing and mainly criticized deconstructionist literary dogma and academic pedantry. She didn't seem like someone who would be a full-blown Said-ist. She seemed very anti-political correctness.
That is why the war with Islam seems so familiar. It's like a fight in elementary school. The kids can call you names, but are crushed when you respond in kind.
Islam fosters an infantile state of thought and being in its adherents.
"I can't believe you hurt my feelings...you filthy cadaver worshiper."
I suggest Muslims be taken to the woodshed. And Islam and its holey Qu'ran to the outhouse.
She lied to Federal investigators. What is arcane about that?
Also I hope you hold the Muslim clerics who screech in mosques about the Great Satan, the evil Jews and Christians etc. to the same standard of blasphemy. But of course the point is moot in their case as anything they write or say will be zealously defended by the left. Which is possibly the case with the judge in Italy.
Don't like Martha's example -- pick another. The point is, we sure have arcane laws when we want them.
I hold everyone to the same standard of civility, and that includes a prohibition of gratuitous, unbargained-for blasphemy, of objects of religious veneration and worship. Speech in a house of worship, e.g. mosque, is by definition intended for the willing audience; same is art displayed in a private museum. Once it spills out to the street, so to say, it should be civil.
LOL.. careful DS, don't ya remember that fit CAIR had over Johnny Hart's "outhouse" cartoon strip"
'B.C.' cartoon seen as slur of Islam
The Council on American-Islamic Relations once again is demanding an apology for an alleged slur of Muslims, this time asserting a veteran cartoonist has cryptically defamed Islam...
...Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR's spokesman, is sure it's a defamation of Islam...
...Along with the moons, CAIR's e-mail noted that Hart drew a sound effect "SLAM" between two frames to accompany the closing of the outhouse door. The SLAM, which was rendered vertically in the shape of an I, could be viewed as "Islam," CAIR said...
Wait until they find out what I tear out pages the pages of the unholy Koran for. If they produce a version with more absorbent and flushable pages, I may never go back to my old brand...
That cartoon contains an error. Instead of "slam"...shouldn't that be "Islam."
"Also in 2003, Smith was in the news again after allegedly throwing a crucifix out a hospital window where his mother was being treated. According to officials at the San Salvatore Hospital, Smith told them that his mother "will not die in a room where there is a crucifix."
Then he should have taken his mother out of the room, out of the hospital, and preferably out of the country!
No, not screwed up, and of course I believe what I post. Proof being, I can also defend my views calmly.
Blasphemy is a violation of individual rights.
Please prove this assertion.
I'm fascinated to hear how you have a God given right not to be offended.
Let me ask you this. If someone insults your wife in front of your children, what would your reaction be?