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FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | June 14, 2005 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 06/14/2005 12:47:47 PM PDT by sergey1973

Oriana Fallaci is 75 years old. The renowned Italian journalist lives in hiding because of death threats she received after the publication in 2001 of her book The Rage and the Pride. She is dying of cancer. And now she is going to go on trial for “defaming Islam.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adel; adelsmith; christianity; defamation; dhimmitude; eurabia; europistan; fallaci; islam; islamicterrorism; italy; koranimals; muslim; oriana; orianafallaci; religion; rop; trop; umi
A Travesty of Justice toward the brave Italian journalist and writer who dares to challenge Islam, its policies and customs and shed the light on the oppression within Islamic societies.
1 posted on 06/14/2005 12:47:47 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: sergey1973

Got to keep those infidels in line - who know what else they might do...


2 posted on 06/14/2005 12:53:03 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: sergey1973

How about the rest of the world who thinks Islam is made up of a bunch of thugs who are still stuck in the 7th century following the drugged out teachings of a murdering pedophile.


3 posted on 06/14/2005 12:56:15 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: lilylangtree

A perfect example what may happen when sensitivity is legislated. It becomes illegal to offend anyone, even those who seek to destroy a modern civilization and replace it with barbaric code of conduct.


4 posted on 06/14/2005 12:58:57 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973

I'm for freedom of speech, even if Muslims get ticked off. I've never heard of anyone getting prosecuted for "defaming" another religion. Religious beliefs are fine for those that believe them, but beliefs are not above criticism.


5 posted on 06/14/2005 1:00:25 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: annalex; lizol; Grzegorz 246; jb6; GarySpFc; struwwelpeter

PING ! You might be interested in this.


6 posted on 06/14/2005 1:02:33 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: popdonnelly

Certainly. I didn't hear that modern Christians were suing (let alone threatening to kill) Martin Scorcese for defamation after "The Last Temptation of Christ" or other attacks on those who criticize Christianity or Christians. Nobody heard of rampaging buddists after Taleban destroyed ancient Buddah statues in Afghanistan. Islam should not be given a special protected from criticism status.



7 posted on 06/14/2005 1:10:29 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973
And now she is going to go on trial for “defaming Islam.”

FReedom of speech DOES NOT EXIST in the EU. This is PROOF POSITIVE!!!!

Pathetic Euroweenies.

8 posted on 06/14/2005 1:13:48 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: sergey1973
Oriana Fallaci

Somehow I get her mixed up with Camille Paglia, the American art and literary critic who is also something of a maverick in liberal circles. I recently went to a Paglia book signing, and I'm glad I didn't praise her for "The Rage and the Pride." Would have been my "potatoe" moment.
9 posted on 06/14/2005 1:16:56 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: sergey1973

Special protection, no. But I think that blasphemy is a serious offense and a civilized society should offer protection against it to all religious. Just because we hold to the barbaric notion that any public insult is "freedom of speech" doesn't mean the Muslim should.


10 posted on 06/14/2005 1:17:17 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
"But I think that blasphemy is a serious offense and a civilized society should offer protection against it to all religious."

Then you have to define "blasphemy" in a way that all can agree on, and which does not prevent legitimate discourse about - and criticism of - religion. I wouldn't like to be the one assigned to write the anti-blasphemy laws.
11 posted on 06/14/2005 1:22:28 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: annalex

You see, annalex, blasphemy is often ill-defined term. Is it a blasphemy to attack Islamic customs of terrible mistreatment of women in Islamic societies ?
Those who murdered Theo Van Gog thought so. Should we protect the murderers then because they murder in the name of Islam ? Is it a blasphemy to discuss the real life of the prophet Mohammed, including his child wife ?

When New York museum opened the anti-Catholic exhibit (featuring cross in Urine or images of Virgin Mary covered in Dung), I certainly agree it was amoral to allow this exhibit to run using public money. However, had this exhibit opened in some private gallery with private money, I would say that as much as I disapprove it, freedom means freedom (including for the views I strongly oppose).


12 posted on 06/14/2005 1:35:29 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973

It's a splendid book. God bless her.


13 posted on 06/14/2005 1:35:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sergey1973; annalex

The saying 'when in Rome' doesn't seem to apply to the new immigrants there, does it?


14 posted on 06/14/2005 1:36:35 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

Apparently it no longer does. There are "protected minorities" who can do whatever they want simply because they are designated minorities.


15 posted on 06/14/2005 1:37:59 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: annalex
Just because we hold to the barbaric notion that any public insult is "freedom of speech" doesn't mean the Muslim should.

Interesting. Most Muslims have no concept of freedom of speech, and if you even discuss Islam rationally, they threaten you with your life. It would be nice if they would keep it in the realm of "speech", instead of rioting and killing every time some mention of "desecration" is made.

16 posted on 06/14/2005 1:40:55 PM PDT by badbass
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To: sergey1973

The muslims are in for a world of hurt once she gets on the stand. I'll be looking forward to reading about it.


17 posted on 06/14/2005 1:44:56 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: sergey1973
She says exactly what I think. If she has to go to jail, I have too. And I would go to jail proud of my self if the reason were I've defended my Home and my Country and my Culture.

Oriana is the best.
18 posted on 06/14/2005 1:52:40 PM PDT by an italian (God bless all the b in the world... Bush, Berlusconi and Blair...)
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To: BayouCoyote
"The muslims are in for a world of hurt once she gets on the stand. I'll be looking forward to reading about it."

Yeah, and not only that, they'll put out a Fartwar on anyone who reads it.
19 posted on 06/14/2005 1:53:11 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Steve_Seattle

Both are brilliant women but Paglia, by the way - unless she has changed - has always been an Edward Said Arabist-type.

I thought that Oriana Fallaci had become an American citizen and was not held to stupid European laws. I guess I was wrong again!


20 posted on 06/14/2005 1:55:57 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: sergey1973

Go on trial for defaming Islam. Yeah Ok. What`s next, going on trial for defaming Saddam?


21 posted on 06/14/2005 1:59:16 PM PDT by EdHallick ("KAAAAAAAAAAHN!" - Capt. James T. Kirk)
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To: sergey1973

Books Online

Please visit also the Resource Center. The RC is the collection of Internet websites and other documents that deal with various subjects about Islam. This RC is an excellent database for those conducting research on Islam. As members of FFI keep adding links this database the RC is growing into an encyclopedia about Islam.


Index To Islam Data base
Sirat Rasoul Allah The earliest biography of Muhammad, by ibn Ishaq
Life of Muhammad Vol 1 - Vol 2 - Vol 3 - Vol 4 Sir William Muir Esq.
The Muhammadan Controversy Sir William Muir Esq.
Prophet of doom
Craig Winn
Apology of Al Kindy By Al Kindi Written in the court of AL MÂMÛN Circa A.H. 215; A.D. 830) in defense of Christianity against Islam. Edited and compiledSir William Muir Esq.
An Introduction to Real Islam and Jihad S.K.M.
Islam Undressed Vernon Richards
Who Authored the Qur’an? Abul Kasem
The Root of Terrorism a la Islamic style Abul Kasem
Sex and sexuality in Islam Abul Kasem
Women in Islam: An exegesis By Abul Kasem
Muhammad & Islam
Stories not told before Mohammad Asghar
The Quran: An Introduction Theodor Nöldeke
The Original Sources of The Quran Rev. W. St. Clair Tisdall.
Influence of Animism on Islam An Account of Popular Superstitions Samuel M. Zwemer
Heirs of the Prophets An Account of the Clergy and Priests of Islam the Personnel of the Mosque and "Holy Men" Samuel M. Zwemer
Muhammad, Quran and Islam
Is Muhammad Foretold in the Bible John Gilcrist
My Question to Muslims Jochen Katz
Behind the Veil (Unmasking Islam) A book with the Christian perspective containing many good essays on the status of women, discrimination of non Muslims, slavery, origin, contradictions and the errors of Quran.
Quran and Kafir A. Ghosh
Christians Ask Muslims. Gerhard Nehls

The Challenge of Islam Gerhard Nehls
Negationism in India - Concealing the Record of Islam Koenraad Elst
Understanding Islam Through Hadith Sh. Ram Swarup

Hindu Temples: What Happened to Them Vol. 1 Sri Sita Ram Goel
The Calcutta Quran petition Sita Ram Goel
The Bible, The Qur'an and Science Maurice Bucaille
The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science In Response to Maurice Bucaille Dr. William Campbell
The Codification of the Qur'an Text
Qur'an and Embryology (In response to Prof. Keith Moore)
Themes for the Diligent
Books by Iskander Jadeed
A Perfect Quran
Internet Islamic History Source Book
Christian Martyrs in Muslim Spain Kenneth Baxter Wolf
Understanding Islam through Hadis Religious Faith or Fanaticism?
Ram Swarup


http://www.faithfreedom.org/library.htm


22 posted on 06/14/2005 2:04:17 PM PDT by OK
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To: sergey1973; struwwelpeter; badbass

I would let the courts decide if the alleged blasphemy was for real. The general rule should be, in my opinion, that when a speech may be offensive, the speech recipient must be warned. For example, if a book is critical of a given religion and it is clear from its cover, then one who buys the book cannot complain of being offended.

The other test is gratuitousness of offence. It is one thing to be critical of the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary in some theological way, another to slap dung on her image.


23 posted on 06/14/2005 2:04:58 PM PDT by annalex
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To: EdHallick

Looks like it -:)))


24 posted on 06/14/2005 2:05:22 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: Steve_Seattle

See my preceding post. I agree, it is hard. But, we managed to convict Martha Stewart on arcane stuff no one can comprehend, - why can't we have someone define blasphemy and still discuss religion? It was done for centuries, until Larry Flynt became a 1st Amendment expert.


25 posted on 06/14/2005 2:08:13 PM PDT by annalex
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To: popdonnelly; sergey1973
I'm for freedom of speech, even if Muslims get ticked off. I've never heard of anyone getting prosecuted for "defaming" another religion. Religious beliefs are fine for those that believe them, but beliefs are not above criticism.

We do not allow communists to immigrate to America, because they want to overthrow our system. How can we let the Muslims come here, when they clearly have in mind the overthrow of our Constitution?
26 posted on 06/14/2005 2:11:28 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: OK

Thanks--a great site with lots of good books.


27 posted on 06/14/2005 2:13:47 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: GarySpFc

I wish I could understand this too. Political Correctness run amok.


28 posted on 06/14/2005 2:15:58 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: annalex
"But, we managed to convict Martha Stewart on arcane stuff no one can comprehend.

Martha Stewart was convicted of lying to an FBI agent. I don't know if she was actually guilty and make no judgment on her case but the charge she was convicted of was neither arcane or difficult to comprehend. Especially for someone who held a seat on the NYSE (as Martha did)

29 posted on 06/14/2005 2:17:16 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; ariamne; Former Dodger; AmericanArchConservative; ...
The complaint comes from Adel Smith, president of the Muslim Union of Italy, who was never charged with defaming Christianity after he referred to a crucifix as a “miniature cadaver” during his 2003 efforts to have depictions of Christ on the Cross removed from Italian schools.

Adel of course, has no problems with "defaming" other religions. He once called the Catholic Church a "criminal organization" and threw a crucifix out his mothers hospital window:

ITALY: COURT RULES AGAINST STIFFER PENALTIES FOR CATHOLICISM'S SLANDERERS

30 posted on 06/14/2005 2:18:32 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: annalex
But I think that blasphemy is a serious offense.....

(not being said in an insulting tone) So what??? Blasphemy is a forgiveable offense, Jesus says so. EXCEPT for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. OF which, the mooslimes have NO part of.

And to carry that blasphemy notion a little further....they consider their koran ABOVE desecration. They riot, kill, maim if ANYONE dares to desecrate/blaspheme/disrespect their silly book. BUT YET, they feel NO guilty conscience when they do it to ANOTHER religion's Holy Book. In fact, they REVEL in doing such things.

Makes them hypocrites. They can go pound sand and call the waaahmbulance when they taste their OWN medicine.

I know that in THIS household, we will be praying FOR Oriana, and EXPECTING that NO weapon formed against her will prosper.

31 posted on 06/14/2005 2:21:21 PM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: GarySpFc
We do not allow communists to immigrate to America, because they want to overthrow our system. How can we let the Muslims come here, when they clearly have in mind the overthrow of our Constitution?

That's a good point. For medieval cultures, religion = politics.

32 posted on 06/14/2005 2:27:20 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: joebuck

My understanding was, she was convicted on insider trading charges, very difficult to legislate or prove offense. If she was not, pick another example. Milken? My point is, we have immensely arcane laws when we think we need them.


33 posted on 06/14/2005 2:35:32 PM PDT by annalex
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To: popdonnelly

Everyone on this thread offends me! How dare you say these things. I am calling the aclu right now and naming each and every one of you as defendants. i want a million dollars each. Please email me your real names and addresses so that we may serve you with the papers. if you do not pay I will send my sons to blow up your houses and rape your dogs.

I will settle for $20 each.

Just kidding!!!????


34 posted on 06/14/2005 2:36:29 PM PDT by bigj00
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To: mommadooo3

To a Christian, any crime is forgiveable. The issue is laws in a civilized society.


35 posted on 06/14/2005 2:37:55 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

She was convicted on obstruction of justice and lying to investigators. Nothing about her case was difficult to prove. There was a trail of evidence including emails which she and her broker attempted to alter. On top of that the prosecution had a credible witness who placed the call to notify Stewart that the CEO of ImClone was planning to sell his shares. Stewart's only defense was that she had a standing order to sell ImClone if the stock went below $60. It didn't take long to disprove that claim. So, she had inside information and she acted on this informtion for financial gain and later lied about her reasons for selling shares. Easy case.


36 posted on 06/14/2005 2:58:48 PM PDT by henge
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To: miss marmelstein

Paglia talked for a while at the book signing and mainly criticized deconstructionist literary dogma and academic pedantry. She didn't seem like someone who would be a full-blown Said-ist. She seemed very anti-political correctness.


37 posted on 06/14/2005 3:01:03 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: USF
Adel of course, has no problems with "defaming" other religions.

That is why the war with Islam seems so familiar. It's like a fight in elementary school. The kids can call you names, but are crushed when you respond in kind.

Islam fosters an infantile state of thought and being in its adherents.

"I can't believe you hurt my feelings...you filthy cadaver worshiper."

I suggest Muslims be taken to the woodshed. And Islam and its holey Qu'ran to the outhouse.

38 posted on 06/14/2005 3:16:27 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is the wolf at the door. Shall we pet it...or kill it)
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To: annalex
we managed to convict Martha Stewart on arcane stuff no one can comprehend,

She lied to Federal investigators. What is arcane about that?

Also I hope you hold the Muslim clerics who screech in mosques about the Great Satan, the evil Jews and Christians etc. to the same standard of blasphemy. But of course the point is moot in their case as anything they write or say will be zealously defended by the left. Which is possibly the case with the judge in Italy.

39 posted on 06/14/2005 3:52:27 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (We will not deny, ignore or pass our problems along to other Presidents. ---GWBush)
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To: prairiebreeze

Don't like Martha's example -- pick another. The point is, we sure have arcane laws when we want them.

I hold everyone to the same standard of civility, and that includes a prohibition of gratuitous, unbargained-for blasphemy, of objects of religious veneration and worship. Speech in a house of worship, e.g. mosque, is by definition intended for the willing audience; same is art displayed in a private museum. Once it spills out to the street, so to say, it should be civil.


40 posted on 06/14/2005 4:04:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Dark Skies
I suggest Muslims be taken to the woodshed. And Islam and its holey Qu'ran to the outhouse.

LOL.. careful DS, don't ya remember that fit CAIR had over Johnny Hart's "outhouse" cartoon strip"

'B.C.' cartoon seen as slur of Islam

The Council on American-Islamic Relations once again is demanding an apology for an alleged slur of Muslims, this time asserting a veteran cartoonist has cryptically defamed Islam...

...Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR's spokesman, is sure it's a defamation of Islam...

...Along with the moons, CAIR's e-mail noted that Hart drew a sound effect – "SLAM" – between two frames to accompany the closing of the outhouse door. The SLAM, which was rendered vertically in the shape of an I, could be viewed as "Islam," CAIR said...

Wait until they find out what I tear out pages the pages of the unholy Koran for. If they produce a version with more absorbent and flushable pages, I may never go back to my old brand...

41 posted on 06/14/2005 4:07:44 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: USF

That cartoon contains an error. Instead of "slam"...shouldn't that be "Islam."


42 posted on 06/14/2005 4:14:53 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is the wolf at the door. Shall we pet it...or kill it)
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To: USF

"Also in 2003, Smith was in the news again after allegedly throwing a crucifix out a hospital window where his mother was being treated. According to officials at the San Salvatore Hospital, Smith told them that his mother "will not die in a room where there is a crucifix."

Then he should have taken his mother out of the room, out of the hospital, and preferably out of the country!


43 posted on 06/14/2005 4:17:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: annalex
You are one screwed up individual if you really believe that.

L

44 posted on 06/14/2005 4:21:33 PM PDT by Lurker (Remember the Beirut Bombing; 243 dead Marines. The House of Assad and Hezbollah did it..)
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To: Lurker

No, not screwed up, and of course I believe what I post. Proof being, I can also defend my views calmly.

Blasphemy is a violation of individual rights.


45 posted on 06/14/2005 4:33:39 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
"Blasphemy is a violation of individual rights."

Please prove this assertion.

I'm fascinated to hear how you have a God given right not to be offended.

L

46 posted on 06/14/2005 5:38:25 PM PDT by Lurker (Remember the Beirut Bombing; 243 dead Marines. The House of Assad and Hezbollah did it..)
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To: Lurker

Let me ask you this. If someone insults your wife in front of your children, what would your reaction be?


47 posted on 06/14/2005 8:01:35 PM PDT by annalex
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