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Bettman, Goodenow must go
ESPN.COM ^ | Terry Frei

Posted on 06/14/2005 1:22:01 PM PDT by airborne

This is not going to be a hatchet job.

Many of the denunciations of Gary Bettman's tenure as National Hockey League commissioner rely on tired, clichéd and unreasonable assumptions from those who can't reconcile the sport's roots and traditions with modern reality. I often have been a Bettman defender over the years, and in many ways will continue to be.

Yet this also is inescapable: For the good of the NHL, the game and even of Bettman himself, the commissioner should step down once a new collective bargaining agreement is signed.

That would allow the relaunch and the healing to take place without his lightning-rod presence as a distraction. The same goes for NHL Players Association head Bob Goodenow, whose dogmatic and principled inflexibility on the salary cap issue was admirable yet ultimately unproductive given the likely terms of the upcoming settlement.

Bettman brought the NHL into the 21st century, literally and figuratively, which was quite a leap considering that on many fronts the league was operating in the 19th century when he took over.

Primarily because his lockout strategy "worked" – the league brought the NHLPA to its knees, forcing the union to accept the unacceptable – Bettman can leave with the reputation of having obtained what the hard-liners demanded and having "won" this battle.

He can retire on top, so to speak.

All along, he said the system needed to be fixed, and only a blinkered fool wouldn't admit that a hybrid salary cap/luxury tax system with a ceiling in the neighborhood of $36 million is a victory for Bettman and the owners. Of course, that raises the question of whether franchises whose payroll costs will be drastically cut will roll back ticket prices – and roll them back significantly, not just with slight and mostly cosmetic markdowns

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hockey; lockout; nhl
I totally agree. It's time for both of them to step down.
1 posted on 06/14/2005 1:22:01 PM PDT by airborne
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To: Hat-Trick; Alberta's Child; ZGuy; CollegeRepublican; Yaelle; akorahil; Dan from Michigan; ...

Hockey Ping!


2 posted on 06/14/2005 1:23:08 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: airborne

Bettman must go ping


3 posted on 06/14/2005 1:29:29 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Mikey_1962

Sounds like Bettman is the big winner. He beat the union and brought some sanity to the league. Why retire? He needs at least a year of gloating.


4 posted on 06/14/2005 1:32:30 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: airborne

Nothing like a sport full of Canadians and Euros where you can't even see the friggin' ball. I can't imagine why they are having problems!


5 posted on 06/14/2005 1:36:34 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: airborne

Put me on the hockey ping, please.


6 posted on 06/14/2005 1:39:17 PM PDT by Corporate Law (<>< -- Xavier Basketball - Perennial Slayer of #1 Ranked Teams)
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To: airborne

Hockey?

Oh yeah, that's that sport they play in college...


7 posted on 06/14/2005 1:39:40 PM PDT by Hurricane Andrew (History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.)
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To: airborne
Yet this also is inescapable: For the good of the NHL, the game and even of Bettman himself, the commissioner should step down once a new collective bargaining agreement is signed.

Why wait? Now seems like a good time.

8 posted on 06/14/2005 1:39:47 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Huck

Did I miss the hockey season again.
darn thats three years in a row :(


9 posted on 06/14/2005 1:40:05 PM PDT by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: airborne
Nothing like a sport full of Canadians and Euros where you can't even see the friggin' ball. I can't imagine why they are having problems!

By the way, here's my idea to revolutionize the sport! I got the idea when I discovered goalies get to have a beverage on the ice with them. I thought, why stop there? Why not also have snacks? Then it hit me! What if you got one of those super immense fat guys to be your goalie? Just lay him down in front of the goal! What's the goal size? 4 x6? Imagine this guy laid on his side:

You feelin me?

10 posted on 06/14/2005 1:41:53 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Why wait? Now seems like a good time.

I think his point is not to upset the status quo.

Once the deal is complete and things are back to 'normal', both step down to give the appearance of starting with a clean slate.

11 posted on 06/14/2005 1:48:10 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Huck
You feelin me?

Yeah. You don't like hockey.

12 posted on 06/14/2005 1:50:16 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Corporate Law
Put me on the hockey ping, please.

Consider yourself on!

13 posted on 06/14/2005 1:52:45 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Huck
Nothing like a sport full of Canadians and Euros where you can't even see the friggin' ball.

There's your problem right there! Stop looking for a ball, and follow that flat, black rubber cylinder everybody seems to be chasing. It's called a puck.

14 posted on 06/14/2005 1:53:32 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: airborne

No I mean the fat guy idea. It would be a huge draw. Put a big bucket of KFC on the goal. Think of the endorsements. All he's got to do is move his top flabby arm up and down to guard the top part of the goal.


15 posted on 06/14/2005 1:56:41 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: airborne
I agree too. I never really liked Bettman and I can't really say anything nice about Goodenow.

On a side note, we may actually see an agreement very soon. Maybe within the next week but definitely before the end of the month.

BTW... Please add me to you Hockey ping list.

16 posted on 06/14/2005 2:00:17 PM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: airborne
I agree too. I never really liked Bettman and I can't really say anything nice about Goodenow.

On a side note, we may actually see an agreement very soon. Maybe within the next week but definitely before the end of the month.

BTW... Please add me to you Hockey ping list.

17 posted on 06/14/2005 2:00:41 PM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: SpottedBeaver

Well that was weird. I had a post but there was nothing in it. Now there are two. Sorry about the double.


18 posted on 06/14/2005 2:01:46 PM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: airborne
I never liked Bettman, and he was a disaster for the sport.

Bettman(a democrat BTW) needs to go back to the NBA, and Goodenow needs to go as well.

19 posted on 06/14/2005 2:02:43 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

A sport without a friggin ball. Another great idea.


20 posted on 06/14/2005 2:04:22 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: SpottedBeaver

You are on the list!


21 posted on 06/14/2005 2:21:07 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Huck; airborne
Re: Big fat goalies.

Apparently you know nothing about hockey. If you did you'd realize that playing goalie is probably the toughest position on the ice. Not only must they be able to skate and use a stick, they must have great reflexes and be quick. Not to mention the hand eye coordination. One cannot be a big sack of crap and expect to play the game. It's obvious you don't like the game, why waste your time on the thread knocking the game? Go find a ball to play with.

22 posted on 06/14/2005 2:23:53 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I don't care for Bettman's way of doing business. Never have. He wants to change hockey by changing the standards that have been time honored traditions.

Leave the net alone. Leave overtime alone. Just leave!

23 posted on 06/14/2005 2:25:11 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: infidel29

Please don't feed the hucks! Ignore them!


24 posted on 06/14/2005 2:26:51 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: airborne

I hope when the NHL resumes play, they'll get rid of all that fru-fru pansy skating and just keep the fights! They can flail away at each other with those sticks and establish a Japanese kendo atomoshere. Then, the survivors can drop their sticks and masks and go at it with fists only, they should have brass knuckles so they can do some damage. There are so many things they can do to make this a bearable game!! But, what's this about a strike? Haven't they been on TV these past 5 or 10 years?


25 posted on 06/14/2005 2:27:53 PM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: Tacis; Huck

Tacis - meet Huck.

Huck - meet Tacis.

Maybe you two can find something to do while the grown ups talk.


26 posted on 06/14/2005 2:31:21 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: airborne

I'll remember that in the future, having played goalie on Dek for a few years as well as street, I took offense. Granted Dek and street aren't the same as ice, the principle is still the same.


27 posted on 06/14/2005 2:55:27 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: airborne
"He wants to change hockey by changing the standards that have been time honored traditions. Leave the net alone. Leave overtime alone.",

I agree.

You want the game to "open" up again and get back the "time honored traditions," then take the helmets off, including the goaltender.

The game was played many more years without helmets than with helmets.

I remember the mandatory helmet opponents predicting that it would change the game in a negative way.

Damn if it didn't.

I predict fans will flock to the rinks to watch the game again.

28 posted on 06/14/2005 3:37:38 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: airborne

Can you add me to the hockey ping?

Funny thing is we have not had an NHL franchise in Chicago for nearly 7 years, and will continue to do so until Bill Wirtz becomes Purina worm chow, and his sidekick Pully departs.




29 posted on 06/14/2005 3:57:59 PM PDT by slapshot ("USAF- when you absolutely, positively need it delivered on target, on time, right away")
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To: infidel29

They wouldn't need the quickness or reflexes if they could obscure 85% of the goal mouth with impenetrable blubber. What's the matter with you hockey fans? No sense of humor? Must be all that time spent with Canadians.


30 posted on 06/14/2005 3:59:11 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: MrShoop

Bettman also guided the NHL to the craziness by twice renewing a CBA he said was flawed. And cause the NHL to be the first major league to cancel an entire season due to labor dispute. Good reasons to retire, he's got nothing to gloat about.


31 posted on 06/14/2005 4:00:48 PM PDT by discostu (The dude abides)
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To: airborne

I think I fell off the ping list, or maybe this is a new one. Any way, definitely want on.

TIA


32 posted on 06/14/2005 4:02:18 PM PDT by discostu (The dude abides)
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To: tahiti

Of course most of those years without a helmet were before the invention of the curved stick (according to legend accidentally invented by an irate Stan Mikita trying to break a stick but failing). Since the curved stick pucks move a lot faster and a lot higher and thus made the unprotected head a lot more risky.


33 posted on 06/14/2005 4:05:55 PM PDT by discostu (The dude abides)
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To: airborne

I think your sense of humor musta done blowed away somewhere.


34 posted on 06/14/2005 4:22:53 PM PDT by Huck (Gitmo guard to enemy combatant: "Would you like the chicken or the roast beef?")
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To: Huck

No offense meant to Bob and Doug Mackenzie, Red Green, or John Candy. (Was Phil Hartman Canadian?)


35 posted on 06/14/2005 4:24:23 PM PDT by Huck (Gitmo guard to enemy combatant: "Would you like the chicken or the roast beef?")
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To: tahiti
You want the game to "open" up again and get back the "time honored traditions," then take the helmets off, including the goaltender.

You know, that's not a bad idea. But I doubt if it will fly.

36 posted on 06/14/2005 4:59:48 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: slapshot
Can you add me to the hockey ping?

I put you right next to SpottedBeaver! ;^)

37 posted on 06/14/2005 5:02:08 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


38 posted on 06/14/2005 5:29:24 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans (NRA))))
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To: discostu
Hat-Trick has the master list. I'm just filling in. But you are now on my list.

I'm going to try to post something hockey related every day or so. Just to keep it fresh.

39 posted on 06/14/2005 6:12:38 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: airborne

Please add mrs zip and zip to your ping list.


40 posted on 06/14/2005 7:06:52 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans (NRA))))
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To: zip

Done!


41 posted on 06/14/2005 7:28:31 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Huck
I think your sense of humor musta done blowed away somewhere.


42 posted on 06/15/2005 6:48:04 AM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: SZonian; retrokitten; hollywood; Alberta's Child; 6323cd; Betis70; ColoCdn; airborne; k2afe; ...
Hockey Ping!

I hear they are getting close to a deal. This blog is a pretty interesting read.

Freep mail or ping me if you want on or off the Hockey Ping List.

43 posted on 06/15/2005 8:07:24 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: airborne
Of course, that raises the question of whether franchises whose payroll costs will be drastically cut will roll back ticket prices – and roll them back significantly, not just with slight and mostly cosmetic markdowns.

Nope, I'm sure the four-hundred-odd people who still want to go to the UC to see the Clippers, er, Blackhawks will still have to hand a couple C-notes to good ol' Dollar Bill.

44 posted on 06/15/2005 8:24:22 PM PDT by TheyConvictedOglethorpe
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To: Hat-Trick

Cool blog! I hope we hear something soon.


45 posted on 06/16/2005 7:25:01 AM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: airborne
Supposedly this guy has alot of inside contacts - over 400 email addresses from NHL'ers and NHLPA people. Since he ensures their anonimity, they trust him enough to send him the "inside" rumors and gossip.

If you have a minute, FReepmail me the recent additions that you've added to the ping list, and I'll put them in.

FRegards,

H-T

46 posted on 06/16/2005 7:29:08 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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