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Fred Phelps to Protest Soldier's Funeral
Seatlle Post-Intelligencer (AP) ^ | June 14, 2005 | Hatman

Posted on 06/15/2005 6:30:56 AM PDT by Hatman

BOISE, Idaho -- A Kansas preacher and gay rights foe whose congregation is protesting military funerals around the country said he's coming to Idaho tomorrow to picket the memorial for an Idaho National Guard soldier killed in Iraq.

A flier on the Web site of Pastor Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church claims God killed Cpl. Carrie French with an improvised explosive device in retaliation against the United States for a bombing at Phelps' church six years ago.

"We're coming," Phelps said yesterday.

Westboro Baptist either has protested or is planning protests of other public funerals of soldiers from Michigan, Alabama, Minnesota, Virginia and Colorado. A protest is planned for July 11 at Dover Air Force Base, the military base where war dead are transported before being sent on to their home states.

Phelps gained national notoriety in 1998 when he picketed the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the gay college student beaten to death in Wyoming.

Since then, Phelps said his church has been the target of hateful words and actions, including a bomb attack six years ago.

Phelps' church has picketed the funerals of AIDS victims for more than a decade.

French, 19, was a Caldwell High School graduate and varsity cheerleader. She was killed June 5 in the northern city of Kirkuk. French served as an ammunition specialist with the 116th Brigade Combat Team's 145th Support Battalion.

Phelps said the fact that French led an all-American life gives him all the more reason to picket her final public tribute.

"An all-American girl from a society of all-American heretics," he said.

"Our attitude toward what's happening with the war is the Lord is punishing this evil nation for abandoning all moral imperatives that are worth a dime," Phelps said.

Caldwell Police Chief Bob Sobba said he cannot bar Phelps from going to the public funeral, which is scheduled for 1 p.m. at the Albertson College of Idaho in that city.

"While we respect Mr. Phelps' right to protest, we would hope that he would respect the family and friends of this young person by not disrupting the memorial," Sobba said.

Idaho Air National Guard Lt. Tony Vincelli, acting as spokesman for French's family, said there were no plans to change the funeral arrangements.

The Rev. Brian Fischer, pastor of Boise's Community Church of the Valley, and himself a past target of protest by the Westboro Baptist Church, decried Phelps' plan.

"What Phelps is doing is a reprehensible thing, to take a funeral and turn it into a photo op for his hate cause," Fischer said.

"We hope everyone will ignore Phelps' group."

In 2003, Phelps demanded that he be allowed to erect an anti-gay monument in a Boise public park. To avoid a lawsuit from his group, city officials voted in 2004 that a Ten Commandments monument be moved out of the park.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahole; disgusting; freak; fredphelps; idaho; jerk; nutjob; phelps; religionofpeace
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1 posted on 06/15/2005 6:30:56 AM PDT by Hatman
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To: Hatman

Cookoo. Cookoo.


2 posted on 06/15/2005 6:31:53 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Hatman

It would be a great pleasure to choke this man.


3 posted on 06/15/2005 6:32:26 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: BikerNYC

Amazingly, some people here said that Phelps would be welcome to a dinner at the White House as long as he paid the money to get in just like the porn star.

Sheesh......this guy's a carny nut and has no business near the White House.


4 posted on 06/15/2005 6:33:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Hatman

um...yeah....whatever you say dude.

I think that Mr. Phelps needs to take a little nap.


5 posted on 06/15/2005 6:34:08 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: Hatman

Man o man. Would I ever love to punch this guy.


6 posted on 06/15/2005 6:34:27 AM PDT by eyespysomething ( A penny saved is a government oversight)
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To: Hatman

I see an asskicking in this man's future. Hopefully a good one.


7 posted on 06/15/2005 6:35:30 AM PDT by speed_addiction ( Somethings gnaw on a man worse'n dyin'!)
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To: Hatman

I don't get it.

Is he claiming this soldier is responsible for the bombing at his "church"?


8 posted on 06/15/2005 6:35:45 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: GingisK

You are far too kind & gentle.


9 posted on 06/15/2005 6:36:46 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (Michaal Jackson is almost qualified for his own parish.)
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To: Hatman
One wonders if the Rev Fred is on Soro's payroll. He is the perfect provocateur that the media love to profile in order to smear all evangelicals as being deranged fanatics. i have noted other suspiciously bizarre characters such as Fred appearing to try and discredit such efforts as the Klamath Lake farmers water protest or as in Fred's earlier antics opposition to 'hate crimes' laws and making sexual orientation basis for protected class status.
10 posted on 06/15/2005 6:36:54 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Hatman

Geez.

Hopefully, some "private citizens" will arrange to be there and stop this nutcase.


11 posted on 06/15/2005 6:37:29 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: linkinpunk
Is he claiming this soldier is responsible for the bombing at his "church"?

No. Phelps is complaining that he doesn't get enough attention.

12 posted on 06/15/2005 6:37:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Hatman

I would love to read a response to this man from one of you former or current soldiers that have lost friends in battle or from a family member of a soldier that gave his life for his country. I think those comments would say it all.


13 posted on 06/15/2005 6:37:43 AM PDT by lnbchip
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To: Hatman
I don't know what to say, I am shocked and speechless. What a disgusting and vile person this is.

To protest anyone's memorial service is beyond sick.

I want this guys contact info to send him a short note.

May God have mercy on Phelps' soul because I care not for it.

14 posted on 06/15/2005 6:37:55 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Hatman
phelps was a Gore supporter and also supported saddam hussein.

This guy is probably a democrat plant to make those against the radical homosexual agenda look like nutcases in the press.

Link

15 posted on 06/15/2005 6:38:06 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: AppyPappy
Sheesh......this guy's a carny nut and has no business near the White House.

Hey. Don't insult carnies like that.
16 posted on 06/15/2005 6:38:09 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Hatman

Perhaps some of the deceased's old comrades could drop by to 'splain to Phelps about the error of his ways....


17 posted on 06/15/2005 6:38:56 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Hatman

Phelps is the east end of a westbound horse.


18 posted on 06/15/2005 6:39:03 AM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: robowombat

See the link in reply #15.


19 posted on 06/15/2005 6:39:07 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Hatman

I live in Topeka where this wacko is based so I get to see him and his minions on a weekly basis. They'll picket anything. I've personally seen them at churches, classical music festivals, and a talk by Bill Cosby. But protesting soldier's funerals is a whole new low.


20 posted on 06/15/2005 6:39:15 AM PDT by rockchalkjayhawk
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To: BikerNYC

This is just a small example of this guy's mental defectiveness. I'm surprised he's got any followers at all in his church.


21 posted on 06/15/2005 6:40:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Hatman

You'd need an army to pull me off this guys pummelled corpse he showed up at my sons funeral....


22 posted on 06/15/2005 6:41:24 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Hatman
A flier on the Web site of Pastor Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church. . .

Which consists of about 10 people - all members of Phelps immediate family.

23 posted on 06/15/2005 6:41:36 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Hatman
This guy (Phelps) is sick.
24 posted on 06/15/2005 6:41:36 AM PDT by vetvetdoug (Shiloh, Corinth, Iuka, Brices Crossroads, Harrisburg, Britton Lane, Holly Springs, Hatchie Bridge,)
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To: Hatman

Perhaps they should do the '21 gun salute' while pointing the weapons at Mr. Phelps and crew.


25 posted on 06/15/2005 6:42:35 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Hatman
RIP....


26 posted on 06/15/2005 6:43:13 AM PDT by socal_parrot (Tina Delgado is alive! ALIVE!)
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To: linkinpunk
"Is he claiming this soldier is responsible for the bombing at his "church"?"

You don't get it because you are a normal, rational, and sane human being.

I only got it because I supervise a truly deranged person, and that experience has given me great insight into the minds of people like Phelps.

Phelps is saying that God killed this US Soldier because someone bombed Phelps' church in Kansas.

The "logic" goes like this:

Some bombs Phelps' church.

That makes God mad. (Because God is on Phelps' side)

The US Government was somehow behind the bombing, or the US Government failed to aggressively pursue and identify, and arrest, the bomber.

So, God avenges the bombing by killing a US Soldier.

See?

If you are deranged (and/or if you have a very warped theology), this makes perfect sense.

27 posted on 06/15/2005 6:43:30 AM PDT by chs68
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To: robowombat
"One wonders if the Rev Fred is on Soro's payroll. He is the perfect provocateur that the media love to profile in order to smear all evangelicals as being deranged fanatics."

I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing!!

Everytime I see garbage from one of those so-called human rights groups he funds in Russia or anywhere for that matter.... I JUST know that Soros is up to something EVIL!!

28 posted on 06/15/2005 6:44:30 AM PDT by Lion in Winter (Getting old is NOT for sissies.... trust me, I know!)
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To: BikerNYC
Don't insult carnies like that.

Carnies frighten me. Very small hands. Smell like cabbage, you know.

29 posted on 06/15/2005 6:47:08 AM PDT by TheBigB (Why yes, I -do- rock! Thanks for noticing!)
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To: Hatman
In 2003, Phelps demanded that he be allowed to erect an anti-gay monument in a Boise public park. To avoid a lawsuit from his group, city officials voted in 2004 that a Ten Commandments monument be moved out of the park.

Any "preacher" that demands a Ten Commandments monument be moved is already a few fries short of a Happy Meal. I hope that, should he decide to turn out for a military funeral, some people kindly and gently speak to him about the error of his ways. I'm thinking of some kind and gentle Airborne-style negotiation tactics...
30 posted on 06/15/2005 6:49:46 AM PDT by faloi
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To: Hatman

Phelp's and his family form a small cult. Not surprisingly, they document all threats, insults, etc. they receive while protesting, and attempt to press charges against people that stand up to them.


31 posted on 06/15/2005 6:50:18 AM PDT by justin_mjn
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To: Hatman
Sad testimony of so called "Christian" extremism


32 posted on 06/15/2005 6:51:38 AM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: Hatman

If I lived in the area, I would be happy to join a mob that descended on Phelps and his supporters and beat the cr*p out of him.


33 posted on 06/15/2005 6:53:24 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Hatman

Someone needs to give Fred Phillips a tuneup.


34 posted on 06/15/2005 6:53:31 AM PDT by sport
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To: AgThorn

He's wearing a Tony Gonzales jersey, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


35 posted on 06/15/2005 6:55:32 AM PDT by Skooz (Perverts used to have to hang around public toilets. Now, they run our schools - Travis McGee)
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To: Lion in Winter
"One wonders if the Rev Fred is on Soro's payroll. He is the perfect provocateur that the media love to profile in order to smear all evangelicals as being deranged fanatics."

I too was wondering if Phelps is a left wing mole. Phelps supported Al Gore for President in 1988. It seems strange that someone who used to be a liberal would engage in extreme gay bashing.

Most conservatives, if not all conservatives, have repudiated and denounced Phelps a long time ago.
36 posted on 06/15/2005 6:57:07 AM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: Hatman
"While we respect Mr. Phelps' right to protest, we would hope that he would respect the family and friends of this young person by not disrupting the memorial," Sobba said.

Phred Phelps have resepect for someone other than himself? Hell will freeze over first.

37 posted on 06/15/2005 6:59:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Hatman
"Phelps said the fact that French led an all-American life gives him all the more reason to picket her final public tribute."

This man displays amazingly loose associations. Usually a sign of some level of Schizophrenia.

But someone, please beat his a** anyway.

38 posted on 06/15/2005 7:00:19 AM PDT by Sam's Army (My neighbor gives drinking a bad name)
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Hey Fred, the Mullahs are a little short on staff right now. I'm sure Islam could find room for a like minded
loony preacher like you.
39 posted on 06/15/2005 7:01:44 AM PDT by Apercu ("Res ipsa loquitor")
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To: Lion in Winter; robowombat
One wonders if the Rev Fred is on Soro's payroll. He is the perfect provocateur that the media love to profile in order to smear all evangelicals as being deranged fanatics.

Nah. Phelps was pulling this sick crap long before Soros got into politics.

40 posted on 06/15/2005 7:02:30 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Hatman

Phelps may be suprised where his soul ends up.


41 posted on 06/15/2005 7:08:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: robowombat
I agree. It would make a whole lot more sense if this guy were an agent provacateur.

If some pro-gay-agenda activists want to get the ball rolling, they arrange for a group of students to perform that play about Phelps. I guess he comes withn the scripts and media kit, for you can count on him and his band of hateful loonies to show up and make a lot of noise. Then the local professors, teachers, and media-cracy can lecture us all about how Christians need to stop hating gays and embrace all aspects of the gay lifestyle.

If Phelps isn't an agent provacateur, he should be. He could get paid well by leftist kingmakers for the work he is doing.

42 posted on 06/15/2005 7:10:37 AM PDT by Montfort (President George Allen)
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To: faloi
This bozo didn't demand that the ten commandments be moved. He wanted to erect a very distasteful and enflaming monument in Boise because he said that since the ten commandments were there, he should be able to have one himself.

The City Council voted to remove the ten commandments to avoid the resulting legal fight. Many people here were and are mad at the city council because we all felt that they should have fought this bozo and left the ten commandments where they were. In essence, many felt that the city council wimped out and was manipulated by this person to get rid of the ten commandments.

As to this guy disrupting this good girl's funeral...it will not fly here very well at all. People at the funeral will be respectful and hold their peace out of respect for Carrie...but there is no love lost for the likes of this hatemonger.

People here look dimly on homsexuality in general, but they do not like being portrayed by someone so obviously unChristian as this individual and his group. We prefer to handle it our own way and do not need or seek his help. What he plans for Carrie's funeral is just the latest sick example of why. I hope the guy steps over the line in some small way so the Caldwell police can do their duty and arrest him for whatever infraction he commits.

I personaly believe he is a leftist agent provocateur.

43 posted on 06/15/2005 7:13:51 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: AgThorn
This guy has nothing to do with Christianity, irrespective of what he says. Christ said, "by their Fruit ye shall know them", one need look no further than that.
44 posted on 06/15/2005 7:17:14 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Hatman
Coming to Idaho - hum mm - I would suggest a one way ticket cause them boys in Idaho take our soldiers very seriously and hold them dear to the hearts -

Please somebody grab this turd and wipe the sidewalk with him.

It is time to give airport security spray to deal with this type of roach when he crawls off the plane.

My suggestion is that we all protest this dips church let's show up and serve him a dose of his disrespectful BS.

Speaking of God's involvement it is obvious that he called in sick on the day the brains were passed out.
45 posted on 06/15/2005 7:17:30 AM PDT by kentj
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To: rockchalkjayhawk
I've seen the rev protesting a prayer breakfast. Why? Who knows, the signs showed stick figures sodomizing each other.

This guy and the folks are real wack jobs. He thinks that he and his followers are the only true Christians, however, I can truly say that it is only the grace that Christ has given me that has prevented me from jumping the curb and driving over their rude, crude and unchristlike demonstrations.
46 posted on 06/15/2005 7:24:04 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Hatman

Phelps and his ilk so thoroughly betray the ethic of Jesus of Nazareth that I am at a loss --- I can't quite wrap my head around such hatred and perversion.

I can't muster hatred for Phelps, only a genuine pity at someone so consumed by darkness and hate that they have feel compelled to act out their psychosis and evil on others.

Mercy triumphs over judgment. St. James


47 posted on 06/15/2005 7:31:33 AM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: dangerdoc

This ahole would be in real trouble if he picketed my kids funeral. I hope her dad lays a can of whoop a-- on him.


48 posted on 06/15/2005 7:32:53 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: Dane
This guy is probably a democrat plant ........ to make those against the radical homosexual agenda look like nutcases in the press.

Thanks for that VERY disturbing link, Dane.
I think the first part of your statement is on target. While the last portion is probably correct, my guess is it is far more encompassing than that!

From day one, the demonRATS and their worshipers have been blaming and condemning the "evangelical" Christians for re-electing President Bush and suggesting that he is trying to turn this country into a theocracy. Over the memorial day week-end I heard veterans claiming they were the ones responsible. This guy is the poster child the demonRATS are holding up as representative of all Christians, while supporting their anti-military agenda as well.

This man needs a nice "white coat" and a bed at the nearest asylum...ASAP.

49 posted on 06/15/2005 7:39:14 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: mortal19440

The more we see the extremes on the left, the more we will see such counter-extremes created. I am interested in seeing this 'movie' about this guy, just to understand the way he thinks but I do think that he is an extremist that gives a terribly wrong message of Christianity.

http://www.hatemongers.com/home.html


50 posted on 06/15/2005 7:40:40 AM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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