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Losing their heads over Gitmo (Ann Coulter)
WND.com ^ | June 15, 2005 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 06/15/2005 4:58:33 PM PDT by perfect stranger

I guess Bush should have backed Katherine Harris, after all. Sen. Mel Martinez, the Senate candidate Bush backed instead of Harris, has become the first Republican to call for shutting down Guantanamo. Martinez hasn't said where the 500 or so suspected al-Qaida operatives currently at Gitmo should be transferred to, but I understand the Neverland Ranch might soon be available.

Maybe Sen. Arlen Specter – the liberal Republican Bush backed instead of conservative Pat Toomey, which still didn't help Bush in Pennsylvania – will step forward to defend the Bush administration. That Karl Rove is a genius.

Martinez explained his nonsensical call for the closing of Guantanamo by asking: "Is it serving all the purposes you thought it would serve when initially you began it, or can this be done some other way a little better?"

There are Arabs locked up at Guantanamo, no? Admittedly, not enough. (And not under what any frequent flier would describe as "harsh conditions.") Still and all, Arabs are locked up there. That is what we call a "purpose."

By becoming a focus of evil for human-rights groups, Martinez suggested, Guantanamo has become a recruiting tool for al-Qaida: "It's become an icon for bad stories," Martinez said, "and at some point you wonder the cost-benefit ratio." (I've been wondering the same thing about Mel Martinez.)

This is preposterous. NBC's "The West Wing" is an icon for bad stories; Gitmo is a place where we keep an eye on evil, dangerous people who want to kill us.

Martinez was borrowing a point from Sen. Joe Biden – which is always a dangerous gambit because you never know who said it originally. The "Biden" version was: "I think more Americans are in jeopardy as a consequence of the perception that exists worldwide with its existence than if there were no Gitmo."

So if people around the world believe that if they try to kill Americans they might go to a bad, scary place called Guantanamo, that will make them more likely to kill Americans? How about doing a cost-benefit ratio on that analysis?

Let's also pause to ponder the image of the middle-of-the-road, "centrist" jihadist who could be "recruited" to jihad by reports about abuse at Guantanamo. You know – the kind of guy who just watches al-Jazeera for the sports and hits the "mute" button whenever they start in about the Jews again, already.

Liberals want us to believe such a person exists and that he is perusing newspaper articles about Guantanamo trying to decide whether to finish his coffee and head off to work or to place a backpack filled with dynamite near a preschool.

Note to liberals: That doesn't happen.

What happens is this: There are thousands of Muslim extremists literally dying to slaughter Americans, and only three proven ways to stop them: (1) Kill them (the recommended method), (2) capture them and keep them locked up, or (3) convince them that their cause is lost. Guantanamo is useless for No. 1, but really pulls ahead on No. 2 and No. 3 (i.e., a "purpose").

Let's just hope aspiring jihadists are not reading past the headlines and discovering that what Amnesty International means by "the gulag of our time" is: No Twinkie rewards for detainees!

That's not a joke. As described in infuriating detail by Heather MacDonald in the Winter, 2005, City Journal, interrogators at Guantanamo are not allowed to:

yell at the detainees, except in extreme circumstances and only after alerting Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld – and never in the ears;

serve the detainees cold meals, except in extreme circumstances;

poke the detainees in the chest or engage in "light pushing" without careful monitoring and approval from the commander of the U.S. Southern Central Command in Miami;

reward detainees (for example, for not throwing feces at the guards that day) with a Twinkie or a McDonald's Filet-O-Fish sandwich in the absence of express approval from the secretary of defense. (I suppose it goes without saying, "supersizing" their order is strictly forbidden under any circumstances.)

Without careful monitoring, interrogators aren't even allowed to subject the detainees to temperature changes, unpleasant odors or sleep cycle disruptions. But on the bright side, they are allowed to play Christina Aguilera music and feed the savages the same food our soldiers eat rather than their usual orange-glazed chicken. That isn't sarcasm; these are the rules.

No cold meals, sleep deprivation or uncomfortable positions? Obviously, what we need to do is get the U.S. Army to serve drinks on commercial airlines and get the airlines to start supervising the detainees in Guantanamo.

American soldiers make do with C-rations. Dinner on an America West flight from New York to Las Vegas consists of one small bag of peanuts. Meanwhile, one recent menu for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo consisted of orange-glazed chicken, fresh fruit crepe, steamed peas and mushrooms, and rice pilaf. Sounds like the sort of thing you'd get at Windows on the World – if it still existed.


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1 posted on 06/15/2005 4:58:34 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: perfect stranger

2 posted on 06/15/2005 4:59:42 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: perfect stranger

That closing line is a real stinger.


3 posted on 06/15/2005 5:01:43 PM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: perfect stranger
No matter if at Gitmo or some other "camp", no body will ever be happy. If we put these a**wipes in the Ritz Carlton, the hate America crowd and Amnesty International would still find something to complain about. At the same times the Dems would be complaining about the cost.

Its time to tell all the whiners to STFU and all the Dems to F-off.

4 posted on 06/15/2005 5:05:19 PM PDT by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: perfect stranger
Martinez was borrowing a point from Sen. Joe Biden – which is always a dangerous gambit because you never know who said it originally.

ZING!

5 posted on 06/15/2005 5:06:03 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: GraceCoolidge

I am really getting sick of hearing about so called abuse at Gitmo. We have children in America who are eating less than these terrorist pigs. I say stuff pork down there throats.


6 posted on 06/15/2005 5:06:36 PM PDT by TGOGary (I would blow my brains out before ever wearing a blue beret.)
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To: perfect stranger

So, I came across this painting on a sort of stupid site...But I figured, hey, what the heck, she still looks good, and all ya'all men have probably been hoping for a black leather picture, anyway. Stop drooling, you'll short out your keyboards. ;-)

7 posted on 06/15/2005 5:06:38 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: perfect stranger

bump


8 posted on 06/15/2005 5:08:31 PM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: perfect stranger

Anne at the top of her form. Too much good stuff to even select a favorite.


9 posted on 06/15/2005 5:09:20 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: TGOGary

I think the most eye-opening article was Michelle Malkin's recent piece on Gitmo. I don't believe many people realize the extraordinary lengths to which the military is going to accomodate inmates' religious practices, for example. It is well past the point of absurdity.


10 posted on 06/15/2005 5:10:55 PM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: perfect stranger

No way are we worthy. No way.


11 posted on 06/15/2005 5:11:55 PM PDT by speedy
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To: perfect stranger
Sounds like the sort of thing you'd get at Windows on the World – if it still existed.

Oh, that's a devastating closing sentence. I remember reading some telephone transcripts in the NY Times, of the calls placed by the increasingly worried staffers at Window on the World while their building burned and weakened underneath them. There was nothing anyone could do to help them.

12 posted on 06/15/2005 5:13:36 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: LongElegantLegs

I'm not sure if that portrait is supposed to be insulting or flattering -- it's a little of both.


13 posted on 06/15/2005 5:15:16 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: speedy

Ann Coulter can say stuff I wish I could.


14 posted on 06/15/2005 5:15:20 PM PDT by TSchmereL (slow down)
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To: perfect stranger

Whats the chances of puting Dick "Dirtbag" Durbin in "GITMO" ?


Forever !


15 posted on 06/15/2005 5:15:54 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: GraceCoolidge

There is a young man who serves in the Corps. whose parents live down the street. Some of the stories he told me were absurd. A Marine cannot pray to Jesus where a prisoner can here him. Soldier's may not wear a cross in any form, even under their uniform. The list just goes on and on. I say we start beating them with drumsticks till they break.


16 posted on 06/15/2005 5:18:11 PM PDT by TGOGary (I would blow my brains out before ever wearing a blue beret.)
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To: perfect stranger

Yes, let's send the ragheads over to Florida for the good Senator to deal with. Other than that, I have a suggestion about what to do with those scumbags after closing Gitmo, but it would not be appropriate to publish it were on the FR. Something to do with shark feeding........


17 posted on 06/15/2005 5:20:20 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: TSchmereL

Yep. And she does it constantly. Next to Bush himself, I think she infuriates the Left more than any other individual. Her unapologetic mocking drives them crazy.


18 posted on 06/15/2005 5:21:59 PM PDT by speedy
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To: GraceCoolidge
That closing line is a real stinger.

She certainly knows how to throw it back in their faces doesn't she...

19 posted on 06/15/2005 5:22:05 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: perfect stranger
Windows on the World

I miss that place. Great food, great view!

20 posted on 06/15/2005 5:24:10 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: LongElegantLegs
I haven't heard "all ya'all" in awhile. Are you southern black? People in Connecticut look at me funny and confused when I say that.:-)
21 posted on 06/15/2005 5:27:04 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: 68skylark
Well, it's certainly supposed to be insulting; It's off a "track the fundies" website; I'm not going to advertise their URL, but you can see it if you view picture properties. I was just struck by the fact that she STILL looks better in metal studs than, say, Nancy Pelosi. Or Hillary. Or Morford. :-D
22 posted on 06/15/2005 5:28:29 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: GraceCoolidge

This whole article...wow. This is on my shortlist of Coulter's best.

"Let's also pause to ponder the image of the middle-of-the-road, "centrist" jihadist who could be "recruited" to jihad by reports about abuse at Guantanamo. You know – the kind of guy who just watches al-Jazeera for the sports and hits the 'mute' button whenever they start in about the Jews again, already."

A phenomenal dissection of liberals' Gitmo whining, Rove's stupid Senatorial tactics, and Martinez's comments.


23 posted on 06/15/2005 5:30:27 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: perfect stranger

The food at Gitmo may be good, but the wine list is sub-par...


24 posted on 06/15/2005 5:32:25 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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bump read later


25 posted on 06/15/2005 5:35:29 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: photodawg
Frighteningly enough, I'm actually a California girl (like, totally!)transplanted to Texas. I've found myself saying Ya'all/Ayup/I tell ya whut, etc. The local dialect is insidious.:-P
26 posted on 06/15/2005 5:35:48 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: perfect stranger
Good one!

Just magnifies the writing similarities between Ms. Coulter and Ms. Dowd.

27 posted on 06/15/2005 5:36:17 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: photodawg

Imagine the looks I get when I say it!


28 posted on 06/15/2005 5:36:59 PM PDT by cubram
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To: perfect stranger

This is what we get for taking prisoners. The obvious solution hardly bears mentioning.


29 posted on 06/15/2005 5:37:03 PM PDT by Numidian Horse (Numidian Horse)
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Maybe Sen. Arlen Specter – the liberal Republican Bush backed instead of conservative Pat Toomey, which still didn't help Bush in Pennsylvania – will step forward to defend the Bush administration. That Karl Rove is a genius.

Touché

30 posted on 06/15/2005 5:37:15 PM PDT by jla
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To: perfect stranger

"get the airlines to start supervising the detainees in Guantanamo" LOL


31 posted on 06/15/2005 5:37:15 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: LibertarianInExile

She has once again laid the absurdity of the liberal position bare to cook in the sun. Wow! What an awesome article.


32 posted on 06/15/2005 5:38:41 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: perfect stranger

Ann...I LOVE YOU!!!


33 posted on 06/15/2005 5:41:01 PM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: perfect stranger
Guantanamo has become a recruiting tool for al-Qaida With all of the aiding and abetting of the enemy, Martinez and the democratic party are the best recruiting tools that al-Qaida could get anywhere.
34 posted on 06/15/2005 5:42:22 PM PDT by adorno (The democrats are the best recruiting tool the terrorists could ever have.)
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To: GraceCoolidge

Right smack in the bullseye, as usual.


35 posted on 06/15/2005 5:42:56 PM PDT by Bullish (Proudly and consistently hating the Clinton's since 1992)
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To: perfect stranger

I don't know hits my puke button harder, the F@#$ Dems or the Camel humpers.


36 posted on 06/15/2005 5:44:41 PM PDT by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: LongElegantLegs
I personally think all this lusting over pictures of Ann stuff, is really quite juvenile and stupid. In my opinion it's way below the standards I'd rather see practiced at a conservative site such as this.

Just my personal opinion guys. Flame away.

37 posted on 06/15/2005 5:47:08 PM PDT by Bullish (Proudly and consistently hating the Clinton's since 1992)
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To: Bullish
I doubt there's as much lust as everyone would have you believe; We're just proud that someone as striking as Miss Coulter can also be intelligent. Unlike the left's Hollywood 'experts', she's not successful because of looks.
38 posted on 06/15/2005 5:51:26 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: perfect stranger
"No cold meals, sleep deprivation or uncomfortable positions? Obviously, what we need to do is get the U.S. Army to serve drinks on commercial airlines and get the airlines to start supervising the detainees in Guantanamo."

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39 posted on 06/15/2005 5:59:41 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: Bullish
I remember a few months ago when it seemed the purpose of the AC threads would be to try to post every known picture each time. I thought that was over the top.

Lately it seems to have settled down to about 3-4 pics per thread.

IIRC the post the pic rule used to apply to Michelle Malkin and Laura Ingraham too, but it's not enforced by Freepers to the extent of AC threads.

40 posted on 06/15/2005 6:07:58 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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It's been going on here for years. I thought it was kinda' funny for a while, but I got tired of the same old whining about "where's the required picture?" over and over. It's gotten so it's lost any charm it ever had and it's not funny anymore at all.

Still, just my humble opinion.


41 posted on 06/15/2005 6:21:02 PM PDT by Bullish (Proudly and consistently hating the Clinton's since 1992)
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To: perfect stranger

42 posted on 06/15/2005 6:23:22 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: perfect stranger

43 posted on 06/15/2005 6:25:35 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: perfect stranger
Re: Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham

You mean . . .


FREEPERS ANGELS ?

44 posted on 06/15/2005 6:28:58 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: perfect stranger

bttt


45 posted on 06/15/2005 6:41:26 PM PDT by chiller (DONE: Gore, taxes, terrorism,Kerry, Old Media. TO DO: Judges, Tort, IRS, Soc.Sec.,borders..)
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To: perfect stranger

Mel Martinez got in the news some weeks ago when he accidentally handed a sheet containing Republican talking points to Tom Harkin. Now it seems that Harkin or someone else has given Mel the Dim talking points - and Mel remains clueless.


46 posted on 06/15/2005 6:51:56 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: ChadGore

Be careful!

All that beauty in one place will DRAW LIGHTNING!!!

I Love 'em all!!!


47 posted on 06/15/2005 7:02:18 PM PDT by skyhawk9211 (skyhawk921 ( Semper FI - Marine Air))
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To: perfect stranger
Meanwhile, one recent menu for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo consisted of orange-glazed chicken, fresh fruit crepe, steamed peas and mushrooms, and rice pilaf. Sounds like the sort of thing you'd get at Windows on the World – if it still existed.

She nailed it there

48 posted on 06/15/2005 7:15:55 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: King Prout

I called Martinez's office, being a constituent of his entitled me.

Girl there claimed he did not want to shut down GITMO, just that he was afraid of what this was doing to our reputation around the world.

That's how we decide how we will proscute a war? By what a bunch of leftist appeasers, and 3rd world thugs will think of us???

As I recall, it was AMERICANS the the arab terrorists killed on 9/11.

I am sick to death of this idea that we need permission from these clowns to defend ourselves.

I am even more sick of republicans that cower and wet themselves whenever a Dim scowls at them. The republican uniform in the senate should be pink tutu's.


49 posted on 06/15/2005 7:16:04 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

"So, I came across this painting on a sort of stupid site...But I figured, hey, what the heck, she still looks good, and all ya'all men have probably been hoping for a black leather picture, anyway. Stop drooling, you'll short out your keyboards. ;-)"

Geeze if I drool too much at Babes on the Internet, my wife will send me to Gitmo.


50 posted on 06/15/2005 7:23:38 PM PDT by Leto
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