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Jury finds heavy smoking to be grounds for eviction
The Boston Globe ^ | By Ralph Ranalli and Jonathan Saltzman | June 16, 2005

Posted on 06/16/2005 5:33:52 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

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To: The Foolkiller
Please explain, Dear. Does that stand for "Conservative In Name Only?"

Yes

221 posted on 06/17/2005 5:36:08 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: The Foolkiller
Funny how we smokers offend you so much, but you just can't stay away from our threads.....

Isn't that the truth!

There are some threads that I don't agree with and I stay away from them. Know what I mean? Why go in and stir up trouble. I like people to think about me as a kind person. Not some demon FRee Republic seed!

I already keep a list of the ones in FR that I consider "demon seeds." heh!

222 posted on 06/17/2005 5:37:53 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: ellery

You have no idea how perfume can trigger asthmatic attacks!

It seems it is the responsibility of the offended party to pack up and move. In a perfect world, that could happen. The problem is these "offenses" happen everywhere by a great number of people.

As I said in an earlier post on this thread, there needs to be compromise and consideration of others. It is the lack of compromise and consideration of others which is the real problem.


223 posted on 06/17/2005 5:41:37 AM PDT by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: The Foolkiller; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; Cantiloper; metesky; ...

Erin Carey and Ted Baar blamed the spreading odor from their cigarettes on what they said was a faulty ventilation system. (Globe Staff Photo / David L. Ryan)

Jury finds heavy smoking to be grounds for eviction
Verdict is said to be one of first in nation
By Ralph Ranalli and Jonathan Saltzman, Globe Staff | June 16, 2005

In a case that tobacco law specialists say is one of the first of its kind in the nation, a Boston Housing Court jury ruled that a South Boston couple could be evicted from their rented water-view loft for heavy smoking, even though smoking was allowed in their lease.

Carey and Baar, who each smoke about a pack a day and run an information technology sales business out of the one-bedroom unit, fought the eviction, arguing in court that the converted warehouse's shoddy construction and aging ventilation system were to blame for the wayward odors.

Last Friday, a jury ruled in favor of the landlord and the eviction. Even though the landlord could have written a nonsmoking clause into the lease and didn't, the jury found that the couple's heavy smoking violated a more general clause banning ''any nuisance; any offensive noise, odor or fumes; or any hazard to health."

Although the verdict is not binding on other courts, tobacco law specialists said the decision is one of the nation's first to declare smoking a nuisance serious enough to become grounds for eviction.

''It is very important, because it is a sign that people are more aware of how dangerous second-hand smoke is," said Professor Richard Daynard, chairman of Northeastern University's Tobacco Products Liability Project, which tracks second-hand smoke litigation nationally.

''I believe this decision could accelerate the willingness of courts to decide that, if you are creating smoke that is seeping into other people's units, you are doing something that has to stop," Daynard said.

He said the verdict could be cited in other Boston tenant-landlord disputes.

Carey and Baar are now planning to move out of state, but say they will countersue landlord Neil Harwood, who told them before they moved in that he had lived and smoked in that unit for years without a problem. The couple say that moving their belongings and all the computer equipment associated with their business twice in a little more than a year -- they moved into the 33 Sleeper St. building last summer -- will cost them more than $30,000.

Inside the fifth-floor unit yesterday, the odor of smoke seemed to a reporter to be strong, but not oppressive, and the only visible sign of tobacco use was a large, immaculately clean glass ashtray on their kitchen table. Carey, 41, said she goes through slightly less than a pack of Marlboro Lights a day, while Baar, 55, said he smokes about one pack of Parliaments.

Walking around the unit with their lawyer looking on, Carey pointed out what the couple said were numerous structural problems, including a ventilation unit patched together with duct tape, holes and gaps in the exposed brick walls, and a closet ceiling where the planks of the subfloor of the unit above were clearly visible.

224 posted on 06/17/2005 5:48:32 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: The Foolkiller
I'd never start a fight with you, She. :D

Never no need! :)

225 posted on 06/17/2005 5:58:47 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Paved Paradise
I love FR but am always intrigued by how downright cruel and nasty people can be when veiled by anonymity.

I see you enjoy speaking into the mirror.

226 posted on 06/17/2005 6:03:37 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: The Foolkiller
Blake , O.J; & Jackson all walk & this poor bastard gets evicted.

Walking around the unit with their lawyer looking on, Carey pointed out what the couple said were numerous structural problems, including a ventilation unit patched together with duct tape, holes and gaps in the exposed brick walls, and a closet ceiling where the planks of the subfloor of the unit above were clearly visible.

Article here

227 posted on 06/17/2005 6:03:53 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Madame Dufarge; The Foolkiller
Careful, he's going to stick to you as if you were flypaper now.

Yep!

I read an excellent article titled:

Smoking cigarettes is not the unpardonable sin! Even if the Baldacci/Hastings deviant crowd say so.

I believe it was written by a Maine Minister.

228 posted on 06/17/2005 6:08:05 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: pageonetoo
Smoking isn't the niusance.It is the nazis that I fear.

I like the way you think.

229 posted on 06/17/2005 6:09:48 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: pageonetoo
LOL! Quite the picture of that old lady! heh!


230 posted on 06/17/2005 6:14:28 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
LOL! Quite the picture of that old lady! heh!

She's Cuban, old, and a herf factory.

Where's that bbq place? It looks familiar.

The butt's in the butt, though...

231 posted on 06/17/2005 6:29:35 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: ByDesign

I got 2 Sharper Image Ionic Breeze purifiers from Ebay for around $150.00 each.

LOVE then things!


232 posted on 06/17/2005 6:31:43 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Raycpa

Sounds like Boulder, Co.


233 posted on 06/17/2005 6:42:35 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Osage Orange

Best post on the thread!


234 posted on 06/17/2005 6:45:06 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: pageonetoo
Where's that bbq place? It looks familiar.

The butt's in the butt, though...

It was on MSNBC that Buddy's BBQ (Florida) is protesting the smoking ban. She has this huge pig on top of her building with a smoking cigarette COMING OUT OF HIS BUTT!

The lawmakers were getting complaints and told her to MAKE THAT PIG STOP SMOKING!

Well, Buddy said it's HER building and she will do what she WANTS to do with it!

YOU GO GIRL! WE ARE WITH YOU!

10-21-03

 It's down south somewhere.  I forgot where Buddy's BBQ is located.  Sorry.

235 posted on 06/17/2005 6:49:42 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
I was going to drop in and buy some BBQ. It's the best thing you can do for them, since the nazis will try to take the bizness down...


236 posted on 06/17/2005 6:54:07 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: SheLion
Thanks... My wife and I were debating, but you helped me make up my mind.

We are leaving this pm, for our NC place. I can't wait for some pulled pig, some fried shrimp, some creamy cole slaw, and a pile of hush puppies...


237 posted on 06/17/2005 6:58:26 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo

OMG! That looks SO GOOD!!!!


238 posted on 06/17/2005 7:22:10 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: pageonetoo
We are leaving this pm, for our NC place. I can't wait for some pulled pig, some fried shrimp, some creamy cole slaw, and a pile of hush puppies...

OMG! I would kill for that about now. LOL!

239 posted on 06/17/2005 7:22:55 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: pageonetoo
My post was recognizing that the atmosphere of control over the actions of others.

Not really. This is a contract dispute. These people violated their lease.

Everyone has the right to kill himself, and smoking won't kill anyone. Cancer might, but that is lawyers territory. The doctors haven't agreed yet!

Everything you have said on the health concerns of smoking is completely irrelevant to this discussion. The result here would have been the same if these people were constantly producing any odor their neighbors find offensive.

240 posted on 06/17/2005 8:07:06 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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