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CALLING REPUBLICANS JONES AND DUNCAN TO ACCOUNT RE: IRAQ
Self | 6/16/05 | txrangerette

Posted on 06/16/2005 7:26:30 AM PDT by txrangerette

FReepers, it is past time to spotlight two GOP Congressman who are with Nancy Pelosi in going after our President and our strategy in Iraq, at the same time others are embarrassing us before the world by claiming that we have been embarrassed by our own military and command actions at Gitmo.

I had heard about Walter Jones of North Carolina planning to introduce a resolution demanding that the President set a timetable to withdraw from Iraq. I don't know the specifics, if they are as bad as it sounds, but the media including Fox are using it to slam slam slam the President as our Commander in Chief. They are putting it side by side with falling poll numbers and saying, see, it's so rotten even Republicans are turning on the President. So I am spotlighting Jones although I don't know the wording of his proposal. I don't need to know in order to place him in exact juxtaposition with Nancy Pelosi who is calling for the same thing. What rot gut (pardon my Texan) for a Southern Republican to be doing this!

Then, I happened to catch a special order speech by John Duncan of Tennessee and was absolutely appalled. Some of the same despicable talking points I have heard and read by the Libs for months and years seem to roll out of Duncan's mouth as he trashed the President and our military leadership on Iraq. I did not hear all of it, so I don't know if he, too, demanded a timetable for withdrawal but I would be surprised if he did not.

I know there are people on the right who bashed the President on Iraq even before now. I disagreed with them but I found it more tolerable back then. This is gut check time (pardon me, again). The President is facing an all-out, no-holes barred assault on his entire Presidency, and the Left is desperate to destroy him and any success we may ultimately achieve in Iraq or have thus far. The stakes for America's future survival could not be higher.

That is why I am calling out these Congressman. For them to pile on and mimic the Dems, moveon.org, the Leftist Media etc. at this critical point makes me sick to my stomach with anger and disgust. They are worse than our political enemies, in my book, for they are supposedly part of us, which makes it the more treacherous for them to use their position from which to stab the President, the military, and our nation in the back.

Will a quick-working, enterprising FReeper get us their contact information? And will FReepers let these men hear from us? As much as I care about Terri Schiavo and some of the other big stories and controversies, I cannot help but think this is absolutely VITAL to address IMMEDIATELY.

Howard Dean, Dick Durbin and Patrick Leahy are being what we would expect, horrible as they are. But what of those in our own midst? Let us not allow them to get away with this!


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 109th; iraq; timetable; walterjones

1 posted on 06/16/2005 7:26:31 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: MJY1288; ohioWfan; Howlin; Peach; MEG33; Miss Marple; mystery-ak; GretchenM

What do you think?


2 posted on 06/16/2005 7:29:51 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette
Ron Paul, quisling from South Texas, is also a co-sponsor of this resolution.

You can always count on ole Ron to support our troops! (/sarcasm)

3 posted on 06/16/2005 7:33:36 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: txrangerette

Start a recall against them now! This is how it is done, if you really want change!

Look what happended in California!

The dems ran on their opposition to the war in Iraq, and lost - time to take it to those who will not support our military in a time of war!

82nd ABN 1/508th BN
Bco
"fury from the sky"


4 posted on 06/16/2005 7:34:28 AM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: standing united

I am not sure you can recall Congressmen, but I as a Texan and not in their districts sure could not. However, these Republicans are trying to affect our entire nation, military, foreign policy and the Bush Presidency by their actions. I wanted to see their names up on FRee Republic in a headline instead of letting them slide by scot-free, and I know we can contact them and let them know that what they are doing is wrong. Those in their districts can do the most, however.


5 posted on 06/16/2005 7:40:10 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

I think Walter "Freedom Fries" Jones is going the Voinovich route.


6 posted on 06/16/2005 7:42:05 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

But will he be called to account for hurting our nation, our military, and our CINC in this critical hour? He is a Republican elected official, for crying out loud. Yet the Dem loudmouths get all the response. Let us repond to our own (so-called)!


7 posted on 06/16/2005 7:45:42 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette
This is not in any way an attempt to hijack your thread, but...

The Iraqi War has come home to more and more Americans. Myself included.

My next door neighbor's son who was serving with the US Army in Iraq was recently critically wounded by an IED and rushed back to Walter Reed and now transferred to the Naval Hospital here in Bethesda, Maryland.

He now re-lives the event which killed his buddy and left him with no sight in one eye and a shattered hip and thigh.

This soldier broke down yesterday according to the family and is extremely bitter...repeatedly asking "For what?" Family has been asked to stay with him 24/7 because he wakes up in the middle of the night and freaks out.

President Bush claimed only 138 died during the battle for Iraq and now the toll if over 1700 dead and over 10,000 wounded.

Many of these wounded soldiers aren't lucky enough to have family at their side at the Naval Hospital or at Walter Reed Medical Center. They are alone.

Meanwhile, the insurgency...for want of a better name...will never end without a ruthless response from the Iraqi government...with the US military more than an arm's length away. Yet, we have Mr. Durka Durka Durbin comparing these fine soldiers to Nazis or Pol Pot.

As long as this lame duck President worries about political correctness, our boys will keep dying. I too, ask, "what for?"

8 posted on 06/16/2005 7:50:00 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot

Thanks for nothing. I am complaining about two GOP congessman who are joining the Dems in stabbing us in the back via leftist rhetoric and proposals, while masking themselves as Southern Conservatives. If you like what they are doing in concert with Nancy Pelosi, by all means join them and sing their praises. I don't, and I won't. And that is regardless of whether political correctness is a problem in this war or not.


9 posted on 06/16/2005 7:55:39 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: DCPatriot

"As long as this lame duck President worries about political correctness, our boys will keep dying. I too, ask, "what for?"

OK. So what would you suggest we do?


10 posted on 06/16/2005 8:06:19 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Admin Moderator

This headline does not show anywhere on my sidebar. I did not place it in General?Chat but only checked vanity post for a category. Is that the problem? But it said that such vanity posts automatically go under General/
chat, so that is all I checked. Can you place it where it gets a headline in the sidebar?


11 posted on 06/16/2005 8:11:56 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

BUMP


12 posted on 06/16/2005 8:14:39 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Marine_Uncle
Get the press out of Iraq. Start killing the enemy instead of arresting them.

Recently the US turned over prisoners to the Kurds. That's a beginning.

When 10 people die as a result of an IED, execute 10 POWs...er, "detainees", er, "enemy combatants", er...whatever.

13 posted on 06/16/2005 8:14:53 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: txrangerette

Duncan is a very conservative Republican who has always been a strong supporter of the military. He is about as far away from Nancy Pelosi as you can get. He is a paleo-conservative nationalist as distinct from a neo-conservative internationalist. His position on Iraq is the same as Pat Buchanan's - he's been against it on nationalist (i.e. anti-internationalist) grounds.


14 posted on 06/16/2005 8:35:52 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: txrangerette

Great post! YES, you can recall a US Senator for "cause" and believe me when I say, this Senator ceratinly gives "cause" for his removal!

They are immune from prosecution, so long as their actions are done in the Senate!

The People of the United States are the Government, and remember, they work for US! We do not work for them and at their convience!

Take good care!

82nd ABN 1/508th BN
Bco
"fury from the sky"


15 posted on 06/16/2005 9:46:02 AM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: Malesherbes
I don't care if Duncan is pro or anti-war in connection with this idea of signalling a pullout. It's such an appallingly stupid and dangerous idea that if he's advocating it, he should resign for the reason of dumbness alone.

Yeah, he's a "conservative Republican" who's pro-military but against the war. Where have I heard that before?

We ARE at war RIGHT NOW, Mr. Dunkin'. Put your other feelings aside for the moment and reverse your position on a telegraphed pullout......just to show us you have at least half your brain working.

Leni

16 posted on 06/16/2005 9:51:50 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Remember, Half the People You Know are Below Average)
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To: DCPatriot

For what? How about "freedom!" The reason our boys are asking "for what" is because they have to hear a$$-holes like Durbin!

I too have seen combat! Believe me when I say, if we cut and run, then I too will say "for what!"

82nd ABN 1/508thBN
Bco
"fury from the sky"

If the dumycrats would let us fight the damn war, and stop this micro managing everthing we do, in order to bring down this Administration, and this Country, as well as this attempt by the Dummycrats to bring every American soldier to justice everytime we shoot a terrorist, we could have been home already, and with half the casaulties!

THANK YOU HOME GROWN COMMUNIST!


17 posted on 06/16/2005 9:52:55 AM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: txrangerette
OBL was right, and we face what Israel has faced for 30 years.

OBL knows the west is weak, ie, the world-wide leftist press has painted the Islamic cults as victims of the US and Israel for decades, and they have continued to kill with impunity.

As long as there are voices out there protecting the cults, they will continue. And Americans just want it all to go away, they cannot take it, and will listen to anyone who blames Bush, Israel, Gitmo, ect.
18 posted on 06/16/2005 9:55:21 AM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: DCPatriot

"Get the press out of Iraq. Start killing the enemy instead of arresting them."

Fair enough. In fact both excellent suggestions only, on occasions some embedded slips and reports good news, and some folks who have little clue as to what goes on over there then the occasional car bomb picture to try to make Iraq look like a Vietnam or quagmire, seem like an honest portrait of the total picture.
Second part. I assure you our Army, Airforce, Navy, and Marines do there best to kill every scum bag they can. However read this and download the chart if you have power point on your systesm.
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Releases/May/050506d.htm

Notice the last main top aid, Abu Talha has just given himself up to our forces in Mosul. Now should one of our guys put a bullet in his head? Or is it best to let him squeal and tell everything about the remaining foreign insurgency and Saddamist operatives in the northern region?

There is always to sides to the story. Unfortunate for many of our dear readership it appears we all do not get all aspects of what is going on over there. But assure you, my nephew and his fellow Marines will take down every scum bag they put their sights on, or call in a F18 to drop a JDAM etc. on when appropriate. One cannot kill snakes that are hiding under the sand or in a deep thicket of reeds, and cannot be visibly viewed.
Perhaps this posts may help a bit on current things going down:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424036/posts


19 posted on 06/16/2005 10:21:45 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: sinkspur
You can always count on ole Ron to support our troops! (/sarcasm)

You must admit that Paul is terrific on domestic issues.

20 posted on 06/16/2005 11:17:05 AM PDT by jmc813 (All I cared about was booze, stock cars and women.)
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To: jmc813

Pandering to terrorists is much more important to me than balancing the budget.


21 posted on 06/16/2005 11:20:44 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
Pandering to terrorists is much more important to me than balancing the budget.

The term "pandering to terrorists" is hypoberlic. If foreign policy is your main concern moreso than domestic and you disagree with Paul on Iraq, that is a fair viewpoint. But trashing the man mercilessly when even you admittedly cannot come up with a single disagreement you have with him domestically is uncalled for IMO.

22 posted on 06/16/2005 11:32:00 AM PDT by jmc813 (All I cared about was booze, stock cars and women.)
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To: jmc813
But trashing the man mercilessly when even you admittedly cannot come up with a single disagreement you have with him domestically is uncalled for IMO.

Any man who believes that utlizing letters of marque and reprisal would be more effective than the US military in chasing down terrorists (as Paul does) can't be trusted in foreign or domestic policy.

23 posted on 06/16/2005 12:10:31 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
Any man who believes that utlizing letters of marque and reprisal would be more effective than the US military in chasing down terrorists (as Paul does) can't be trusted in foreign or domestic policy.

I disagree. I prefer to let one's record on any given topic influence whether one can be "trusted".

For instance, I think President Bush has been abysmal on many facets of domestic policy, but I'd easily trust him over Paul on Iraq.

The fact that you cannot find something to disagree with him on domestically should make you reasonably comfortable in "trusting" him in those areas.

If you're wondering why I use quotation marks around the word "trust", it is because I feel it is dangerous to trust anybody who could become a politician.

24 posted on 06/16/2005 12:52:09 PM PDT by jmc813 (All I cared about was booze, stock cars and women.)
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To: standing united

I agree with you. I don't like the political correctness either that was complained about, but I can see that the enemy within like Durbin and his ilk, Newsweek, Time, The NYT, CNN and the Networks, etc, are far more dangerous to our war for survival than political correctness. And for sure I won't pull a Vietnam and start hollering to withdraw the troops or announce a timetable to pull out. NOTHING WOULD BE WORSE!


25 posted on 06/16/2005 1:37:44 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: sinkspur

Correct, and I cringe even to hear the name Ron Paul or see his appeasing mug on C-Span. But I have known of this about HIM for a long time. Now about these two...Walter Jones and John Duncan...North Carolina and Tennessee Republicans. For shame!


26 posted on 06/16/2005 1:43:11 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

As long as this lame duck President worries about political correctness, our boys will keep dying. I too, ask, "what for?"




I agree with you. We need to have no mercy and fight like we did in WW2

NOT like we did in NAM! Bomb Syria and Iran TODAY, before they get wmds and nukes tomorrow.


27 posted on 06/16/2005 1:46:43 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Malesherbes

If it walks like a Pelosi and talks like a Pelosi, ON THIS MATTER, I don't owe anyone an apology for categorizing it with a Pelosi. I saw some of a special order of his on C-SPAN. As I said, I was appalled and he made me sick to my stomach in with anger and disgust.


28 posted on 06/16/2005 1:48:36 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: standing united

He is a Represenative. Not Senator. If he could be recalled, also, his district would have to act, not me. But I understand the sentiment, believe me!


29 posted on 06/16/2005 1:51:01 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Marine_Uncle

Bomb Syria and inflict on them ten times our loses, until the IEDs stop.

President Bush is allowing Syria to be a sanctuary for the enemy that kills our troops, Why on earth?

We cannot afford to support a President who does not support our troops in war. I am sorry but that is the truth.

tagline= Laos and Cambodia then, Syria and Iran now.

SEMPER FI LETSROLLUSA@HOTMAIL.COM


30 posted on 06/16/2005 1:51:17 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Malesherbes
"sick in with anger and disgust"
31 posted on 06/16/2005 1:56:13 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: TomasUSMC
Don't tell ME to bomb Syria. Tell it to Jones, Duncan and Paul. And their friend Nancy Pelosi. If you hate Bush, and I know you do, and you hate appeasement , political correctness or whatever you call it, the answer to it is not to go on the House floor, as a Republican, and demand that we pull out. Or maybe you prefer that to the alternative of getting on the cases of Jones and Duncan. That is your choice. I am totally against your choice, if that is it. I chose to get on their cases and I don't care whether you like it or not. They are horribly wrong and I put their names up in lights. There are plenty of ad nauseum threads on here bashing President Bush. Now here's one little obscure one holding two of our own to account for joining with Pelosi in the latest Leftist Bush-Bash on Iraq. But you can't stand it, nosiree, it didn't bash Bush like the dozens and dozens of others do.
32 posted on 06/16/2005 2:13:03 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

I'm glad you got on their cases. Good going.

But we NEED to Bomb Syria.

And if we are not going to fight this war to win, then we shouldn't fight it to lose.

So - fight to win or get out.


33 posted on 06/16/2005 2:34:50 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: TomasUSMC

"omb Syria and inflict on them ten times our loses, until the IEDs stop. President Bush is allowing Syria to be a sanctuary for the enemy that kills our troops, Why on earth? "

Surly as many Saudi Arabs have crossed the border to fight Americans. Should we bomb Mecca and then wipe out all their oil refineries? How about all those Muslims that have joined the jihad in Iraq that live in Merry old England, or Moracco, or Libya, Omen, UAE, etc.. Whoops lets not forget those that are coming in from Canada and America. Now let us not forget, those that are from Iraq, e.g. damn fool Sunni Arabs that are still loyal to Saddam.
Tom. I think you should buy stock in all the arms manufactures that are going to have to gear up to produce those few million tons of iron bombs. Or would you prefere we nuke the USA Capital for allowing jihadist native Americans that infiltrated the Iraqi borders to fight.


34 posted on 06/16/2005 2:49:02 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle

I am hoping you forgot the /sarcasm tag.


35 posted on 06/16/2005 2:56:47 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: logician2u

"I am hoping you forgot the /sarcasm tag."

There was no sarcasm projected in those statements. Just hard facts. I was trying to make the point that jihadist come into Iraq via. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, and for all we know the southern most border of Turkey into the lands of the Kurds. If ones criteria for bombing a countries capital is based on it providing terrorist, and what in some circles within confined definitions as defenders of the Muslim faith, e.g. jihadist, one must prepare to wipe many capitals, infrastructures, etc.. That is not my plan. I am addressing what another has proposed.
So I ask him if he is prepared for a vast carnage of human life to satisfy his conviction that all countries that allow for terrorist to enter Iraq should be wiped out. We have jihadist in America, and some are known to have participated in the Iraqi Insurgency. Based on this persons group of statements, he believes any country that has people leaving it to go to Iraq and fight our soldiers should be punished with heavy handed military might.
Until we have positive prove that that Bashar Asads official government policy is to support the terrorist infiltration in Iraq, his country is on the same footing as any country that has terrorist that end up in Iraq. Then how can we make a case to perform a total destruction of any countries military and security grids etc.? Let alone try to sell the concept to the rest of the world. But the dear Marine I converse with on this subject, he intruduced the concept in this thread and a few other posts recently, seems to think that all we have to do is go into Syria and bomb the daylights out of them, then of course send in at least a division of mixed Army, Marines, Special OPS units etc., to finish off the military completely so there is no question they will not take revenge by going to Iraq and fighting us.
In short, destroy Syria. Alone for no country will join in this endeavor.
The example I provided was possed as a question based on the person's number of recent statements, as who we should attack pre-emptive.


36 posted on 06/16/2005 4:01:58 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: logician2u

I should have added that I repect this Marine's earnest desire to clean up the insurgency as quickly as possible. He says what he does out of honor for his country having served it as a Marine. I stand at attention and smartly salute him for that. He has a distant brother serving a second deploy to Iraq in my nephew. So I do not take it very lightly as to what goes on over there. I mean no form of disrespect in any shape or form.


37 posted on 06/16/2005 4:07:21 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle
I mean no form of disrespect in any shape or form.

Thank you. I'm sure you don't, and I pray for your nephew's safe return from combat duty.

You probably realize by now that not every poster is, ahh, who they say they are. Not only that, but some may even be making statements expressly for the effect they expect to have on others, both members of FR and "others."

38 posted on 06/16/2005 6:01:06 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: logician2u

"You probably realize by now that not every poster is, ahh, who they say they are. Not only that, but some may even be making statements expressly for the effect they expect to have on others, both members of FR and "others."

I appreciate your keen eye. When I mentioned the thought of nuking DC., I should have simply refrained on that one, easy to say after the fact.

I just hope I did not offend Tom. He is a tough old bird probably. But a Marine with a heart of gold. God bless him.
Problem is when I speak against nuking some place, in my heart I am with those that say bomb the sh*t out of the scum bags. For some time now I have spoken out against carpet bombing, unloading huge tonnage of ordnance on cities in Iraq as some have suggested. It just doesn't seem to make sense to kill hundreds of thousands of people for the crime of a few thousand. After all we are not the Lord in Sodom and Goehmora. If where there to win the hearts of Iraq and ultimately show the whole world of Muslims we prefere to live in unity and peace, it just don't look good for us to want to destroy them. Of course I could as many of us write a long disertation as to how it is us or them. But from a political point, the US can't go around mashing all these folks up. Enough of my ravings. Thanks for the security check.
And thanks for you kind words toward my nephew. These guys are just the top of the cream in my greying eyes.
Semper Fi


39 posted on 06/16/2005 6:52:59 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: txrangerette
Correct, and I cringe even to hear the name Ron Paul or see his appeasing mug on C-Span.

Are there any domestic issues you disagree with Rep. Paul on?

40 posted on 06/17/2005 9:47:05 AM PDT by jmc813 (All I cared about was booze, stock cars and women.)
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To: jmc813

I don't know, because I don't care enough to seek out his domestic issue positions. I cannot stand him. I don't trust him. I think there is something wrong with him. There. I said it.


41 posted on 06/17/2005 9:58:04 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette
I don't know, because I don't care enough to seek out his domestic issue positions. I cannot stand him. I don't trust him. I think there is something wrong with him. There. I said it.

That's an ignorant attitude to take. Paul is by far the most conservative congressman today and is well-liked here on Free Republic. As I explained to Sinkspur yesterday, no politician is going to be right on every single issue. For instance, George Bush is horrible on many domestic issues, but he's a great commander-in-chief of the military. His poor domestic performance should not take away from that.

42 posted on 06/17/2005 10:05:52 AM PDT by jmc813 (All I cared about was booze, stock cars and women.)
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To: DCPatriot

3,000 died on 9/11.

300,000,000 more are targets by the Islamic savages.

We need to drain the swamp.


43 posted on 06/17/2005 10:30:50 AM PDT by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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