Skip to comments.Al Jazeera: US senator stands by Nazi remark (Dachau Durbin)
Posted on 06/16/2005 9:33:46 AM PDT by ambrose
US senator stands by Nazi remark
Thursday 16 June 2005 7:20 AM GMT
A US senator has refused to apologise for comparing the actions of US soldiers at Guantanamo Bay to those of Nazis, while others have decried or defended the mandate and method used to hold prisoners there.
US Senator Dick Durbin on Wednesday refused to apologise for comments he made on the Senate floor referring to Nazis, Soviet gulags and a "mad regime" like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
Illinois Republican Party chairman Andy McKenna had demanded he apologise.
"Senator Durbin's comments come as a great disservice to our military personnel in Guantanamo," he said. "They are also a great disservice to all US soldiers and veterans who have fought, and continue to fight, to overcome evil regimes and spread democracy around the world."
Durbin did not plan to apologise for the comments, spokesman Joe Shoemaker said.
"This administration should apologise to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorising torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin had said in a statement on Wednesday evening.
During a speech on Tuesday, Durbin, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, quoted from an FBI agent's report describing detainees at the naval base in Cuba as being chained to the floor without food or water in extreme temperatures.
"You would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings"
US Senator Dick Durbin "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings."
Durbin is not alone in his criticism.
Human-rights groups have long accused the administration of unjustly detaining suspects at the prison camp. Amnesty International last month called the detention centre the "gulag of our times".
President George Bush and other administration officials, however, have strongly resisted such comparisons and questioned Amnesty's objectivity.
"It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter"
"I take strong exception to any characterisations that try to diminish what our military is doing and the standards and values that they adhere to," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
The Bush administration calls the Guantanamo prisoners "enemy combatants" who are entitled to fewer legal protections than those afforded to prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions.
According to US Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales on Wednesday, the US government often considers whether it would be better to stop detaining prisoners at Guantanamo.
"That's a question that is evaluated, I would say, quite often," he said in Sheffield, England, where he will attend a meeting of G8 interior ministers on Thursday and Friday.
On Wednesday, he had said "there will of course be an end", but did not specify when.
He also pointed out that about a dozen of those who had been released had returned to fight against the US.
"It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter," he said.
Since the camp was set up after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, 167 detainees have been freed and 67 others released to the custody of their home governments.
About 520 detainees from about 40 countries remain at Guantanamo. Only 12 have been handed over to military commissions for investigation of possible war crimes and four have been charged.
In a three-hour hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, legal experts from the US military and the Justice Department said the US had a right under the Geneva Conventions to hold enemy combatants.
But committee chairman Senator Arlen Specter suggested lawmakers would have to clarify what he called a "crazy quilt" of laws and regulations governing the detentions.
Some lawmakers want the facility closed, saying it has become a liability that inflames Muslims against the United States.
"Guantanamo is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and it remains a festering threat to our security," Senator Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, said.
A Pew Research Centre poll, taken over the weekend, indicated most Americans agree that reports of abuse at Guantanamo are isolated incidents, and 39% think the news media is paying too much attention to the issue.
The poll found a sharp partisan divide on the issue - Democrats believing the abuses to be systemic and Republicans saying they were isolated incidents.
You can find this article at: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/796AA4AC-531C-4E6F-B855-7FBC52506824.htm
In my humble opinion!!!
I think it is time to come up with wording for a petition to demand official censure of Durbin.
Conyers, also of Michigan (what's in the water there?!) was on C-Span this a.m. making the most outrageous implications from the "Downing Street Memos" and in fact out-right lying about certain "facts". But Conyers' conduct pales in comparison to Durbin's.
I can only hope people from Washington D.C. to Washington state will finally start to recognize exactly how egregious some of this behavior is, how wide-spread the damage they're doing is, and how lacking in honor or integrity some of these people like Durbin and Conyers have become.
Durbin in particularly should be sanctioned by his fellow Senators, and IMHO, impeached (can they do that?) or recalled...
I'm calling my two Senators, anyway...
Thanks for the ping. Loose lips sink ships. The legacy of Jane and John lives on....
Still digging... nice job Drubin.
Dingy Harry: "This is all crazy. Baseless, accusations and allagations every time and just because the President's popularity is plummiting. People are dying in Iraq, SCORES of Iraqis are dead, and the right wing machine is always talking up a chatter."
Now hes complaining how much time was wasted on "5 judges while schools are suffering, and global warming is getting out of control"
Hey! Why does SICK VERMIN DURBIN THE TURBAN get to go to Camp Gitmo? Why not me?
Probably posted here earlier. But worth repeating: Rush said that if he were ever praised by Al-jeer'jeera', he'd feel ashamed.
"The problem with Illinois they elected a Socialist because the majority in the state are corrupt or are Socialist or are both."
Then I vow to get him impeached if it takes 20 years.
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Considering the Durbin is clearly a useful idiot, may I suggest Dacha Durbin as a more appropriate moniker?
They're doing great in Illinois, with their 2 senators being Turban Durbin and Osama Obama.
I thought the Al Jazeera article was more evenhanded than most of our media, of course that was the english version I read.
IMHO Durbin and his ilk are willing to destroy this country to try to gain advantage in the next election.
They are willing to incite the terrorist with false stories just to earn campaign donations from Soros, Moveon.org, and other socialist agenda organizations.