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Al Jazeera: US senator stands by Nazi remark (Dachau Durbin)
Al Jazeera ^ | 6/16/05

Posted on 06/16/2005 9:33:46 AM PDT by ambrose

US senator stands by Nazi remark

Thursday 16 June 2005 7:20 AM GMT

A US senator has refused to apologise for comparing the actions of US soldiers at Guantanamo Bay to those of Nazis, while others have decried or defended the mandate and method used to hold prisoners there.

US Senator Dick Durbin on Wednesday refused to apologise for comments he made on the Senate floor referring to Nazis, Soviet gulags and a "mad regime" like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

Illinois Republican Party chairman Andy McKenna had demanded he apologise.

"Senator Durbin's comments come as a great disservice to our military personnel in Guantanamo," he said. "They are also a great disservice to all US soldiers and veterans who have fought, and continue to fight, to overcome evil regimes and spread democracy around the world."

Durbin did not plan to apologise for the comments, spokesman Joe Shoemaker said.

"This administration should apologise to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorising torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin had said in a statement on Wednesday evening.

Attack

During a speech on Tuesday, Durbin, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, quoted from an FBI agent's report describing detainees at the naval base in Cuba as being chained to the floor without food or water in extreme temperatures.

"You would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings"

US Senator Dick Durbin "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings."

Durbin is not alone in his criticism.

Human-rights groups have long accused the administration of unjustly detaining suspects at the prison camp. Amnesty International last month called the detention centre the "gulag of our times".

Rebuttal

President George Bush and other administration officials, however, have strongly resisted such comparisons and questioned Amnesty's objectivity.

"It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter"

"I take strong exception to any characterisations that try to diminish what our military is doing and the standards and values that they adhere to," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The Bush administration calls the Guantanamo prisoners "enemy combatants" who are entitled to fewer legal protections than those afforded to prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions.

Defence

According to US Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales on Wednesday, the US government often considers whether it would be better to stop detaining prisoners at Guantanamo.

"That's a question that is evaluated, I would say, quite often," he said in Sheffield, England, where he will attend a meeting of G8 interior ministers on Thursday and Friday.

On Wednesday, he had said "there will of course be an end", but did not specify when.

He also pointed out that about a dozen of those who had been released had returned to fight against the US.

"It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter," he said.

Since the camp was set up after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, 167 detainees have been freed and 67 others released to the custody of their home governments.

About 520 detainees from about 40 countries remain at Guantanamo. Only 12 have been handed over to military commissions for investigation of possible war crimes and four have been charged.

Debate

In a three-hour hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, legal experts from the US military and the Justice Department said the US had a right under the Geneva Conventions to hold enemy combatants.

But committee chairman Senator Arlen Specter suggested lawmakers would have to clarify what he called a "crazy quilt" of laws and regulations governing the detentions.

Some lawmakers want the facility closed, saying it has become a liability that inflames Muslims against the United States.

"Guantanamo is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and it remains a festering threat to our security," Senator Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, said.

Survey

A Pew Research Centre poll, taken over the weekend, indicated most Americans agree that reports of abuse at Guantanamo are isolated incidents, and 39% think the news media is paying too much attention to the issue.

The poll found a sharp partisan divide on the issue - Democrats believing the abuses to be systemic and Republicans saying they were isolated incidents.

You can find this article at: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/796AA4AC-531C-4E6F-B855-7FBC52506824.htm


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Illinois; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: durbin; durbintheturban
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To: mystery-ak

I would like very much to HEAR a little out cry from the citizens of his state. DO THEY agree with this BS. If not, WHEN will the RECALL election be held?


51 posted on 06/16/2005 9:52:05 AM PDT by marty60
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To: hattend
Need to thank the Dumocrat Machine in Illinois. Just like no one in New York voted for Hillary, no one voted in Illinois for Dick Dirtbag.

Somehow they wind up in Washington, and on Intelligence Committees.
52 posted on 06/16/2005 9:52:05 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: ambrose
Where is the Republican response?? What about his democratic constituents. Is that what they stand for? What about the good people of Illinois throwing this bastard out by a recall? What about us FReepers making him out target & never relenting on it until he is gone? How about independents in Illinois standing up to him? HELLO! Is there anyone going to stop this man. How about the Justice Dept going after things he said months ago about classified information? To the administration where are you? Oh I forgot. This is the "Two-Party Cartel".
53 posted on 06/16/2005 9:52:31 AM PDT by Digger
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To: johnny7
I swear to God... If I was a Republican Senator, I'd be jumping over tables to get at this pri_k

I know what you mean.  I haven't been this seeing-red mad since ... well, since the last time our elected traitors opened their mouths.

The military should be at his office door right now and escort him to prison.  No trials, no courts, no lwayers ... just a short prison trip and then the noose.

54 posted on 06/16/2005 9:52:34 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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Durbin fits in with the long tradition of Copperhead Democrats:

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/C/Copperheads-(politics).htm

Copperheads (politics)
Copperheads (politics) in the news

Warning: there is some racist (the " N-word") language in this article. It is simply the language that was used during the American Civil War.

The Copperheads were a group of Northern Democrats who opposed the American Civil War, wanting an immediate peace settlement with the Confederates. They were also called Peace Democrats.

The most famous Copperhead was Clement L. Vallandigham, who was a serious thorn in President Lincoln's side.
More on the Copperhead agenda

They opposed emancipation of American slaves, forming groups to persuade Union soldiers to desert, and helped Confederate prisoners of war escape. The name Copperheads was given to them by Republicans and may have derived from the venomous snake (the Copperhead) that strikes without warning or may have been a reference to the copper liberty-head coins which many wore as badges.

Copperheads opposed turning the Civil war into a total war to destroy the South and restore the Union. They sometimes met with Confederates, aiming at restoring peace.
How they were treated in the Union

As war opponents, they were suspected of disloyalty, Lincoln often having them arrested. In summer 1864, Ulysses S. Grant was bogged down in the Siege of Petersburg and William Tecumseh Sherman getting nowhere in Georgia. At this sad moment for the Union, during midterm election in Lincoln's home state of Kentucky, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and arresting every Democrat he could round up. The Democrats still swept the July 1864 election in Kentucky.

The Confederates loved the Copperheads and encouraged their activities whenever possible.
Areas of strength

The Copperheads were strongest in Irish Catholic groups (poor Catholics were often anti-war, expecting to lose jobs to newly-freed slaves) in the eastern Pennsylvania coal country, and German Catholic areas of Wisconsin. They were also strong in border areas. They sometimes carried signs reading things such as "The Constitution As It Is, The Union As It Was," or, more offensively, "We won't fight to free the nigger."

Every Union defeat such as the Battle of Chancellorsville led to louder calls from the Copperheads — and given the inept Union leadership through much of the war, they had ample ammunition.
The decline of the Copperheads

After the spectacular victory at the Battle of Atlanta in Fall, 1864, and the end in sight of Grant's dug-in siege of Petersburg, the Copperheads declined in influence.


55 posted on 06/16/2005 9:53:03 AM PDT by ambrose (.)
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To: savedbygrace
His speech on the floor is Constitutionally protected, so he can make all the aid-and-comfort statements he wants to on the floor, and nothing can legally happen to him.

He can be reprimanded by his fellow senators for those remarks.

56 posted on 06/16/2005 9:53:59 AM PDT by ambrose (.)
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To: ambrose
Something in the water in Illinois?

Obama and Durbin.

A black-skinned white and a dickhead.

57 posted on 06/16/2005 9:55:44 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: ambrose

never happen unless they arrange a tit-for-tat with Santorum's remarks.
I'm with Rush, Durbin has told the truth about what he and better than 70% of the current Democrats in Congress really think about our U.S. military and the soveirgnty of our country.
No apology is needed from him, what is needed is resignation.


58 posted on 06/16/2005 9:56:11 AM PDT by WoodstockCat (Gitmo? Let them eat Pork!)
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To: Williams

THAT'S RIGHT PUT ALL OF THE BLAME ON G.BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


59 posted on 06/16/2005 9:56:17 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: ambrose
'US Senator Dick Durbin on Wednesday refused to apologise for comments he made on the Senate floor referring to Nazis, Soviet gulags and a "mad regime" like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.'

This is not only treasonous slander against our own troops, but Senator Dickweed is spitting on the mass graves of those who went to real gulags.

Here is a proposal: any Senator who doesn't like Gitmo can participate in an 'adopt-a-terrorist' program, whereby a group of the Gitmo detainees can be be housed in said Senator's home state.

In WWII, if a 'combatent' was caught out of uniform they were summarily executed. A good example was during the battle of the bulge where Nazis wore GI uniforms to misdirect traffic. When captured they were just lined up and shot. Wonder if Senator Dickweed will pass a resolution calling for an apology to Nazi victims of GI atrocities (I mean, a bullet in the head? No free copies of Mien Kampf, no bratwurst, no ACLU lawyers?)
60 posted on 06/16/2005 9:56:21 AM PDT by WmDonovan (http://www.geocities.com/thelawndaletimes)
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To: Hard Way

"Might as well take the "treason" laws off the books. It's not like anyone will be tried for it ever again. If DOJ went after Durbin, the ACLU, the MSM, the Dem party, and half of our "allies" would be howling about free speech restrictions, and tyranny by the majority."

I think it is officially off the books now. And the DOJ NEEDS to go after the dick and make an example of him. And let the rats, aclu, and msm howl about it. It will wake up and p*ss off a lot more people who haven't heard about this yet. And as far as our "allies" go, I really don't give a crap what they think.


61 posted on 06/16/2005 9:56:44 AM PDT by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: southlake_hoosier

Yep, I don't know anybody who voted for Babara Boxer either. I know 1 person who voted for Feinstein.

Makes you wonder how all these leftists get into the Senate.


62 posted on 06/16/2005 9:56:47 AM PDT by hattend (Alaska....in a time warp all it's own!)
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To: ambrose

Everyone needs to call, fax & email this traiter!


63 posted on 06/16/2005 9:57:17 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: softwarecreator
I swear to God... If I was a Republican Senator, I'd be jumping over tables to get at this pri_k

This is what I mean about the pubbies in CONgress. They really have no intense agenda. Just suck the teat of the American taxpayers. I hope next election that the word COMPASSIONATE never comes up because that is the last thing we need as a president. Also change the word CONSERVATIVE to mean cutting government spending.

64 posted on 06/16/2005 9:57:43 AM PDT by Digger
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

65 posted on 06/16/2005 9:58:09 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: ambrose

Time to track down those jpg's of the democrats dressed up in nazi uniforms.


66 posted on 06/16/2005 9:58:48 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: marty60

This POS came to welcome home my hubby and his unit when they returned from Iraq...he's not worthy to shine my hubby's boots!.....Im calling, but getting hung up on..the rats in Chicago run this state...look at the county map from the 2004 election..


67 posted on 06/16/2005 9:59:16 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: La Enchiladita

ping


68 posted on 06/16/2005 9:59:51 AM PDT by Ros42
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To: ambrose

Good analogy.


69 posted on 06/16/2005 10:01:10 AM PDT by johnny7 ('Mama T' has seen her husbands 'dishonorable discharge'.)
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To: Paige

It will take the Right of all stripes to put pressure on Frist and the GOP to chastise Durbin. Then we must blast him with calls and emails or faxes. Then, letters to the editors of the MSM. This is necessary since the MSM will NOT cover Durbin's treachery. He reminds me of Lord Hee Haw and Tokyo Rose during WWII. Call Talk Radio. Keep the buzz going since most people will never hear of his anti-military remarks . The media , we all know will circle the wagons to protect one of their own. Demand that he resign. I did.


70 posted on 06/16/2005 10:02:36 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: mariabush

It's not blame it's what i think he needs to do. You disagree?


71 posted on 06/16/2005 10:03:05 AM PDT by Williams
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To: ambrose
Dick Durban has become a recruiting tool/officer for Al Qaeda. He needs to be recalled now. He has no place in our government..let him return to the Taliban that he would be a better fit with.
72 posted on 06/16/2005 10:03:43 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: mystery-ak
Doesn't Daley have a son in the military, does he support this incitement against our sons and daughters on the floor of our United States Senate?

Have the Chicago media expressed their outrage, and informed their citizens about this dangerous Senator, and his party?
73 posted on 06/16/2005 10:04:20 AM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: Williams

He will get his punches in when the time is right. We are a military family and are very happy with the Pres.


74 posted on 06/16/2005 10:04:42 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: ambrose

Well apparently a few have slithered into the U.S Senate.


75 posted on 06/16/2005 10:05:07 AM PDT by marty60
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To: ambrose

Lovely. US Senator enabling terrorists. What a disgrace.


76 posted on 06/16/2005 10:05:58 AM PDT by veronica (Mimes and clowns are weird...)
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To: roses of sharon

Im in central Illinois...we went for Bush in 04...I do believe Daley has a son in the military, but have not heard where he stands on this....


77 posted on 06/16/2005 10:06:14 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: mariabush

I'm very happy with the prez too but he needs to get out front and take some of these idiots on, I'm not sure it's his style though.


78 posted on 06/16/2005 10:06:28 AM PDT by Williams
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To: mystery-ak

Well It can de done. Look at Texas, we have almost completely wiped out this plague. Took over a 100 years, but.


79 posted on 06/16/2005 10:06:59 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Pylot

I just faxed the "dick", told him that the "Daschleing" of him come next election will be all the more sweet! Told him to start packing, he's history.


80 posted on 06/16/2005 10:07:01 AM PDT by southernindymom
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To: johnny7
I swear to God... If I was a Republican Senator, I'd be jumping over tables to get at this pri_k. I'd be on him so fast he wouldn't know whether to sh_t or go blind.

'fraid not, maybe you or I or most Freepers would, but all Dickie boy would have to do is say something along the lines of "Are you questioning my patriotism?" and then the spineless Republican would cower and back down and instead of justifiably continuing to attack DICK he/she would not only spend their time claiming they are not questioning his patriotism would actually be thanking Dick for his service.

The True mascot of the Senate Republicans

81 posted on 06/16/2005 10:10:32 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Williams
When he has had enough, he will. IMHO it is on the horizon. If not soon, he will be hearing from me!!!!!
82 posted on 06/16/2005 10:11:38 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: mariabush

What does IMHO stand for?


83 posted on 06/16/2005 10:13:19 AM PDT by southernindymom
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To: qam1

Unfortunately... you're RIGHT.


84 posted on 06/16/2005 10:13:40 AM PDT by johnny7 ('Mama T' has seen her husbands 'dishonorable discharge'.)
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To: kellynla

See any outraged GOP polititions lately ? Me neither. Nobody is held accountable in the Senate. Can't rock the boat and upset the country club. During war, those who are patriots should defend this country against those who would weaken us. The words of Durbin and others should be sharply rebuked. But the game goes on. When citizens seem to be the only ones furious this will continue. Others are afraid to call it what it is....selling out America. WHY ?


85 posted on 06/16/2005 10:17:35 AM PDT by Mr. Keys
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To: southernindymom

In My Honest Opinion...or Humble Opinion.

Senator Dickhead stands for Senator Durbin Laden.


86 posted on 06/16/2005 10:18:20 AM PDT by Shaka
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To: ambrose

As much as I hate Durbin, especially for what he said the other day, I won't believe anything that Al Jazeera publishes or broadcasts. Period.


87 posted on 06/16/2005 10:19:18 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: ambrose
IMPEACH DIRTY DICK DACHAU
88 posted on 06/16/2005 10:21:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: ambrose
(Dachau Durbin)

Nah...I much prefer Michael Savage's appelation: TURBIN DURBIN

89 posted on 06/16/2005 10:22:30 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Mr. Keys
Well one more 9/11 type terrorist attack and GWB and the rest of them in D.C. can bend over and kiss their collective legacies good bye! And every Muslim camel jockey in America will have to pack up bag and baggage and go back to whatever hellhole they originated from.

We've spent BILLIONS securing the borders in Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq and we leave our own FRONT & BACK DOORS WIDE OPEN!!!

They've had almost four friggin' years to secure the borders, deport the MILLIONS of illegals in this country and they have accomplished NADA, ZIP, ZERO!
90 posted on 06/16/2005 10:27:44 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Shaka

Thank you so much. Most of the abbv. I can figure out, but that one, I couldn't.


91 posted on 06/16/2005 10:29:19 AM PDT by southernindymom
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To: ambrose

I agree 100%, but the speech itself is still protected by the Constitution, meaning he cannot be arrested or charged with a crime. That's all.


92 posted on 06/16/2005 10:29:41 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: kellynla

Our country is being sold out by our govt.


93 posted on 06/16/2005 10:32:00 AM PDT by Mr. Keys
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To: ambrose
Also, read my reply #23 here for another idea:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424194/posts?page=23#23

94 posted on 06/16/2005 10:32:01 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: ambrose

I say that this guy should be parachuted into Iraq.
A nice isolated (unrecorded) place where some our military folks are located.
He can then explain his remarks to them, off the record of course, in person.
They can "explain" to him their thoughts on being compared to Nazis.


95 posted on 06/16/2005 10:34:50 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: technomage

I believe you could get away with a pie or salad dressing. Just a thought...


96 posted on 06/16/2005 10:39:37 AM PDT by BJClinton (I've got friends that are into sheep, but they don't have a parade about it every Friday)
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To: ambrose

Is this not a prima facie case of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"?


97 posted on 06/16/2005 10:46:55 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: ambrose

<< Al Jazeera: US senator .... Nazi .... [Dachau Durbin] >>

Turbin Durbin.


98 posted on 06/16/2005 10:48:25 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I fly and need therefore envy no Earth Person! -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: ambrose
No wonder the Democrats use the jackass as their standard.
It really is the party of horses axxes and jackaxxes. Every time they open their mouths you want to Heehaw!

These people want to embarrass the administration. It doesn't matter to them that they give comfort to an enemy and pay lip service to supporting our troops. Somebody should stand up in the Senate and call him to task. The Republicans don't seem to have the stomach to take them on. They're afraid that they are losing support because of the casualties. The hell with what the rest of the world thinks. Those people if released would try to kill us again.

The people in Illinois should be ashamed that they elected this piece of crap to the senate.
I'd like to inundate the sucker's e-mail.
99 posted on 06/16/2005 10:48:55 AM PDT by capebuffalo
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To: MizSterious

Senator Frist Fax 202 228 1264

Durbin should be forced out of the Senate. Frist should play a little offense.

Let him know.


100 posted on 06/16/2005 10:52:59 AM PDT by bert (Rename Times Square......... Rudy Square. Just in.... rename the Washington Post March??)
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