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Al Jazeera: US senator stands by Nazi remark (Dachau Durbin)
Al Jazeera ^ | 6/16/05

Posted on 06/16/2005 9:33:46 AM PDT by ambrose

US senator stands by Nazi remark

Thursday 16 June 2005 7:20 AM GMT

A US senator has refused to apologise for comparing the actions of US soldiers at Guantanamo Bay to those of Nazis, while others have decried or defended the mandate and method used to hold prisoners there.

US Senator Dick Durbin on Wednesday refused to apologise for comments he made on the Senate floor referring to Nazis, Soviet gulags and a "mad regime" like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

Illinois Republican Party chairman Andy McKenna had demanded he apologise.

"Senator Durbin's comments come as a great disservice to our military personnel in Guantanamo," he said. "They are also a great disservice to all US soldiers and veterans who have fought, and continue to fight, to overcome evil regimes and spread democracy around the world."

Durbin did not plan to apologise for the comments, spokesman Joe Shoemaker said.

"This administration should apologise to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorising torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin had said in a statement on Wednesday evening.

Attack

During a speech on Tuesday, Durbin, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, quoted from an FBI agent's report describing detainees at the naval base in Cuba as being chained to the floor without food or water in extreme temperatures.

"You would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings"

US Senator Dick Durbin "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings."

Durbin is not alone in his criticism.

Human-rights groups have long accused the administration of unjustly detaining suspects at the prison camp. Amnesty International last month called the detention centre the "gulag of our times".

Rebuttal

President George Bush and other administration officials, however, have strongly resisted such comparisons and questioned Amnesty's objectivity.

"It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter"

"I take strong exception to any characterisations that try to diminish what our military is doing and the standards and values that they adhere to," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The Bush administration calls the Guantanamo prisoners "enemy combatants" who are entitled to fewer legal protections than those afforded to prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions.

Defence

According to US Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales on Wednesday, the US government often considers whether it would be better to stop detaining prisoners at Guantanamo.

"That's a question that is evaluated, I would say, quite often," he said in Sheffield, England, where he will attend a meeting of G8 interior ministers on Thursday and Friday.

On Wednesday, he had said "there will of course be an end", but did not specify when.

He also pointed out that about a dozen of those who had been released had returned to fight against the US.

"It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter," he said.

Since the camp was set up after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, 167 detainees have been freed and 67 others released to the custody of their home governments.

About 520 detainees from about 40 countries remain at Guantanamo. Only 12 have been handed over to military commissions for investigation of possible war crimes and four have been charged.

Debate

In a three-hour hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, legal experts from the US military and the Justice Department said the US had a right under the Geneva Conventions to hold enemy combatants.

But committee chairman Senator Arlen Specter suggested lawmakers would have to clarify what he called a "crazy quilt" of laws and regulations governing the detentions.

Some lawmakers want the facility closed, saying it has become a liability that inflames Muslims against the United States.

"Guantanamo is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and it remains a festering threat to our security," Senator Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, said.

Survey

A Pew Research Centre poll, taken over the weekend, indicated most Americans agree that reports of abuse at Guantanamo are isolated incidents, and 39% think the news media is paying too much attention to the issue.

The poll found a sharp partisan divide on the issue - Democrats believing the abuses to be systemic and Republicans saying they were isolated incidents.

You can find this article at: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/796AA4AC-531C-4E6F-B855-7FBC52506824.htm


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Illinois; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: durbin; durbintheturban
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1 posted on 06/16/2005 9:33:47 AM PDT by ambrose
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Traitorous %&*$#@!! Every time one of the dems does something like this, it's widely reported by our enemies. A pox on them all.


2 posted on 06/16/2005 9:35:30 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: ambrose
More aide & comfort to the enemy from you friends in the democratic party. We would have lost WWII if this crop of dems had been around then.
3 posted on 06/16/2005 9:36:12 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: ambrose
Someone needs to tell Durbin that the gulags and death camps didn't have air conditioning and heat.

And he wonders why they call him "dick."

4 posted on 06/16/2005 9:37:14 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ambrose

Just F'n great.....how many GI's are you gonna get killed over this, DICK!!....what a POS you are!!!!


5 posted on 06/16/2005 9:37:27 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: ambrose

YET many in the Miitary and extended fams will continue to VOTE for these traitors.


6 posted on 06/16/2005 9:37:27 AM PDT by marty60
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To: ambrose

If I were to walk past senator DICK right now, it would take everything in my power not to spit on that man. I'm so angry right now I can't see straight.


7 posted on 06/16/2005 9:38:00 AM PDT by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: MizSterious

Well if this isn't "aid and comfort to the enemy" I don't know what is !!!

What does he have to do give 'em a bullet and a sandwich ?

GW should have the US Marshals walk over to his off ice and snatch his a$$ up and charge him.


8 posted on 06/16/2005 9:38:30 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: ambrose

Ship Dirtbin to Gitmo as an enemy of the state.

What an asshat...thanks Illinois!


9 posted on 06/16/2005 9:38:38 AM PDT by hattend (Alaska....in a time warp all it's own!)
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To: ambrose

Rush just called attention to this. He stated taht Al Jazeera praised Durbin.


10 posted on 06/16/2005 9:38:44 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: ambrose
If this isn't giving aid and comfort to the enemy, I have absolutely no idea what that is obviously. :(

This moron obviously needs to tour some REAL gulags and REALLY educate himself about the depredations of Pol Pot and visit Auschwitz! China has gulags, he needs to go visit some of the Falun Gong members who are being tortured even as we speak at real gulags.

This makes me SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO angry! :(

11 posted on 06/16/2005 9:39:05 AM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: ambrose

Here is Turbin Durbin's contact information. Give em a call or a fax and let him know how you feel about his comments. I have.

Washington Office:
332 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-1304
Phone: (202) 224-2152
Fax: (202) 228-0400

Main District Office:
230 South Dearborn St., Ste. 3892
Chicago, IL 60604
Phone: (312) 353-4952
Fax: (312) 353-0150


12 posted on 06/16/2005 9:39:32 AM PDT by Pylot
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To: ambrose
This report brought to you by the news agency serving an audience that on the whole heartily applauds the actions taken by the Nazis in those camps.
13 posted on 06/16/2005 9:40:44 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: ambrose

Might as well take the "treason" laws off the books. It's not like anyone will be tried for it ever again. If DOJ went after Durbin, the ACLU, the MSM, the Dem party, and half of our "allies" would be howling about free speech restrictions, and tyranny by the majority.

I think we could lose this war, because the enemy is truly within... and they're not even subtle anymore.


14 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:01 AM PDT by Hard Way (Razor nothin'. I'm firing up Occam's Chain Saw)
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To: Pylot

All lines are busy..
they're getting slammed or the phone off the hook


15 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:04 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: ambrose

Hence, my opening remarks on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421978/posts


16 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:05 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: LibSnubber
If I were to walk past senator DICK right now, it would take everything in my power not to spit on that man.

Well, I would spit in his face and take the consequences.

17 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:24 AM PDT by technomage
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To: ambrose
I'm sorry to say it but the president is not forcefully leading at this time. The American people will rally against Durbin's remarks, but they need a leader. Cheney will probably do it but he's not president - yet.

It's the president's duty to stand up and defend the troops in forceful terms. And the republicans have a duty to this country to stand up to leftist extremism.

18 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:26 AM PDT by Williams
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To: ambrose

And Dumbass needs to be reprimanded by the Senate!
Now we know why they call him "Dick!"

He should be removed from office for making such outrageous and treasonous remarks! PERIOD!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


19 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:36 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: marty60

No, we don't.....people in the military know who are friends are on Cap Hill....


20 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:44 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: MizSterious
You said it!  And these people are our elected leaders!  Is this what our military dies for?  To allow these pukes to have freedom of speach so we can be compared to nazis by senators?  A shame, a real sad shame.
21 posted on 06/16/2005 9:41:59 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: LibSnubber
If I were to walk past senator DICK right now, it would take everything in my power not to spit on that man.

If he's lucky he would only get spit on. He needs a punch in the nose.

22 posted on 06/16/2005 9:42:10 AM PDT by hattend (Alaska....in a time warp all it's own!)
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To: ambrose

Durbin should be jailed. We have Freedom of Speech in this Country sure, but this is Aiding and Abetting the Enemy.


23 posted on 06/16/2005 9:42:15 AM PDT by Iron Matron (The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , By the Blood of our Forefathers a Sovereign Nation.)
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To: kellynla
Exactly!  There should be a recall in the works as we speak!
24 posted on 06/16/2005 9:43:06 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: ambrose

Al Jeezera will endorse Durbin Laden in his re-election bid, I'm sure.


25 posted on 06/16/2005 9:43:24 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: ambrose

un phoqing believable. Do these democrats understand that words mean things? Does Dick realize he just put Americans at risk for his hatred?


27 posted on 06/16/2005 9:44:50 AM PDT by Shaka
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To: ambrose
I'm so angry I can't see straight. Why isn't this guy being charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy!

28 posted on 06/16/2005 9:44:53 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.And we're unlikely to get a look into this t)
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To: ambrose

We should be sending traitors like Durbin to guantanamo as well.


29 posted on 06/16/2005 9:45:05 AM PDT by SunKingMCD
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To: ambrose

A magazine article with bogus claims about Gitmo caused rioting, death, and incited our enemies.

One would think, THINK, that a US Senator would realize that his comments could do likewise.

Differing opinions among a two party system is a good thing. Going so far off the deep-end that only one party (the Right) seeks to protect this country is not. The left can not be trusted with the security of this country and why so many just can not see it is simply stunning.


30 posted on 06/16/2005 9:45:22 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Never another 9/11 again.)
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To: ambrose

The terroritsts in Gitmo have better living conditions that my husband did when he was deployed in Iraq. But I guess that's okay, in Senator Durbin's book.


31 posted on 06/16/2005 9:45:36 AM PDT by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: mystery-ak

He obviously doesn't care.


32 posted on 06/16/2005 9:45:40 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: ambrose

I have faxed durbins' office my "displeasure" at his treasonous remarks.


33 posted on 06/16/2005 9:45:59 AM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: armymarinemom

The seditious left have a direct line to the muslim propaganda channel.


34 posted on 06/16/2005 9:46:01 AM PDT by boofus
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To: hattend
If I were to walk past senator DICK right now, it would take everything in my power not to spit on that man.

Don't call him a MAN, he is not a man.  He's trash.

Why aren't these remarks blasted in headlines across the MSM for everyone to see what they've elected to office?

Where is the outcry?

35 posted on 06/16/2005 9:46:29 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: hattend
he's lucky he would only get spit on. He needs a punch in the nose.

Treason deserves more than spit, more than a punch in the nose..Treason desrves a noose.

36 posted on 06/16/2005 9:46:39 AM PDT by Iron Matron (The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , By the Blood of our Forefathers a Sovereign Nation.)
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To: ambrose
Just faxed the 7 pages of the Foreign Agent Registration Form to all four of his offices.

Included the definition of sedition for good measure...
37 posted on 06/16/2005 9:47:24 AM PDT by thoolou (Politics--The last refuge of the nincompoop. - Berke Breathed)
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To: Robe

They didn't even charge Jane Fonda, let alone have a trial and execution. The question now is, do the people of Illinois support his treason?


38 posted on 06/16/2005 9:47:51 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: ambrose
The whole lot of them needs to feel the sting of the whip!

I swear to God... If I was a Republican Senator, I'd be jumping over tables to get at this pri_k. I'd be on him so fast he wouldn't know whether to sh_t or go blind.

These aren't Democrats. They -- and the MSM -- are a 5th column!

39 posted on 06/16/2005 9:47:51 AM PDT by johnny7 ('Mama T' has seen her husbands 'dishonorable discharge'.)
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To: marty60

"YET many in the Miitary and extended fams will continue to VOTE for these traitors."


Excellent point. We get what we deserve.


40 posted on 06/16/2005 9:48:42 AM PDT by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: KSCITYBOY

Unfortunately at that time the Democrats were around, however the democrats of that day are the Republicans of today. Time changes everything.


41 posted on 06/16/2005 9:49:08 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub.)
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To: Shaka

should be phoqUing


42 posted on 06/16/2005 9:49:25 AM PDT by marty60
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To: hattend

I vote for deportation of the Gitmo 520....by air to ground missle to Iran.


43 posted on 06/16/2005 9:49:27 AM PDT by WoodstockCat (Gitmo? Let them eat Pork!)
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To: ambrose
Dick Turban Durbin is a traitor to his country!
44 posted on 06/16/2005 9:49:40 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: ambrose
The U.S. Sedition Act first outlawed conspiracies "to oppose any measure or measures of the government." Going further, the act made it illegal for anyone to express "any false, scandalous and malicious writing" against Congress or the president. Significantly, the act did not specifically protect the vice-president who, of course, was Jefferson. Additional language punished any spoken or published words that had "bad intent" to "defame" the government or to cause the "hatred" of the people toward it. http://www.crf-usa.org/terror/alien_sedition_acts.htm Sedition
45 posted on 06/16/2005 9:50:39 AM PDT by Foolsgold (dumped daschel he he he he)
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To: MizSterious

His speech on the floor is Constitutionally protected, so he can make all the aid-and-comfort statements he wants to on the floor, and nothing can legally happen to him. Not to count being voted out of office the next time he runs, that is.


46 posted on 06/16/2005 9:50:47 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: thoolou

LOL! Nice.


47 posted on 06/16/2005 9:50:59 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: btwg156

I'd rather have Dachau Durbin arrested for treason/sedition under the Patriot Act. He knows full well what he was saying, the anti-American/anti-US soldier propaganda firestorm it would cause, his public position and where he made those comments, yet he made them anyway and refuses to apologize. It's not freedom of speech, it's purposely trying to cause physical harm to our soldiers, citizens, and country as a whole.


48 posted on 06/16/2005 9:51:17 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: mdittmar

I went to Townhall and blasted out an email voicing my displeasure as well.


49 posted on 06/16/2005 9:51:21 AM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: ambrose
This guy is the Poster Boy for the Democrat party. I am furious over these statements. The problem with Illinois they elected a Socialist because the majority in the state are corrupt or are Socialist or are both. These Modern Liberals aren't Democrats any more and their new name should be Sociocrats.
50 posted on 06/16/2005 9:51:25 AM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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