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No more Boy Scouts in Britain
world Net Daily ^ | June 16, 2005 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 06/16/2005 11:22:21 AM PDT by SandRat

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To: WOSG
The Girl Scouts today is a very feminist-oriented PC organization. didn't they try to let Planned Parenthood give sex ed material to teenagers?

Girls as young as eight.

51 posted on 06/16/2005 1:05:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

"BSA has a charter giving it sole use of the word "scout"."


Charters don't make for such protections, trademarks, tradename, and copyrights do, but the word "Scout", alone, would be a weak registration and most likely not hold up. If someone wanted to use the name "Queer Scout" they would be free to do so.


52 posted on 06/16/2005 1:06:02 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: SandRat

Next: Merits badges won't be earn. Simply "try" and be awarded. Just like the Black beret of the US Army: Given to lift the "moral" of those who didn't earn the Army Ranger tab in the first place.


53 posted on 06/16/2005 1:07:30 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: SandRat

PC anything is insanity everything.


54 posted on 06/16/2005 1:11:38 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: BohDaThone; tnlibertarian
When I was a scout, I started going for something called a "God and Country" award. It still exists and is a part of what BSA calls their Religious Emblems Program. It is not a Merit Badge. You can find information about it at the link below:


http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=xm
55 posted on 06/16/2005 1:14:17 PM PDT by NathanR (Mexico: So far from God; So close to the USA.)
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


56 posted on 06/16/2005 1:15:01 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: NathanR
God and Country Award
57 posted on 06/16/2005 1:18:21 PM PDT by NathanR (Mexico: So far from God; So close to the USA.)
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To: tnlibertarian
BSA Dharma Award
58 posted on 06/16/2005 1:23:14 PM PDT by NathanR (Mexico: So far from God; So close to the USA.)
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To: ncountylee

"Is NAMBLA active in England?"

Big time.


59 posted on 06/16/2005 1:23:18 PM PDT by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: SandRat

Boy Scouts in Britain ...sounds more like a NAMBLA dating service


60 posted on 06/16/2005 1:29:18 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: shellshocked

The charter really does provide for exclusive use of emblems, badges, words, etc.

http://usscouts.org/aboutbsa/bsacharter.html

Using its congressional charter, BSA sued U.S. Boy Scouts (a.k.a. American Boy Scouts) to change its name:

http://www.troop97.net/bsahist1.htm

The USBS/ABS was more militaristic, and it had to change its name to "Cadets", but eventually failed as it was deemed "too right wing".

So, no other group can call itself "scouts". BSA has sole use of the name. They can call themselves something else, but not "scouts". That's why there aren't "Queer Scouts".


61 posted on 06/16/2005 1:46:06 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (News junkie here)
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To: SandRat

This is a crying shame! May God help us to preserve the integrity of the BSA.


62 posted on 06/16/2005 2:39:45 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind
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To: Carry_Okie

Still waiting for American Heritage Girls to appear in our state. :(


63 posted on 06/16/2005 3:50:01 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: 2banana
Funny how homosexual and atheists want to force organizations to confirm to THEM, even if it kills the organization they want to join

Don't you think that's their purpose to begin with?

64 posted on 06/16/2005 3:53:53 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Tired of Taxes

Wow. I had no idea that Congress could and did grant such a charter.


65 posted on 06/16/2005 3:58:17 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: ncountylee
Is NAMBLA active in England?

Don't know about the organization, but the activity it espouses has been rampant in Britain for years.

66 posted on 06/16/2005 8:25:41 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Servant of the 9

As my son's Den Leader and an Eagle Scout I can tell you that we will maintain our integrity or most of us will leave and start another group of the original ilk.


67 posted on 06/16/2005 8:43:57 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
That's terribly intolerant of them. Who's to say what is meant my "good moral standing"? This certainly leaves out the Unitarians.

Whats wrong with you? You left out the Satanists! Off to the PC Re-Education camp for you! B-) /sarcasm>

Seriously, everytime I hear of the Unitarians, I am reminded of this old joke to where "if the Unitarians started the KKK, they would be buring question marks instead of crosses." B-P

Sad, isn't it?
68 posted on 06/16/2005 8:49:00 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Nowhere Man

buring = burning, dang "fingerlexia." B-)


69 posted on 06/16/2005 8:51:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Born Conservative
Yep.

The 21st World Scout Jamboree will be hosted by the United Kingdom, in celebration of the Centenary of Scouting. It will take place at Chelmsford Hylands Park in Essex, from 27th July to 8th August 2007.

70 posted on 06/16/2005 9:49:39 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: NathanR

Right. God and Country award was what I thinking of. Thanks. [I told you it was a long time ago!]


71 posted on 06/17/2005 3:54:52 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: 2banana

"Funny how homosexual and atheists want to force organizations to confirm to THEM..."

Of course. Because, like liberals and socialists, their pathological/sociopathic desire is to SUBVERT and PERVERT everything they touch. Kinda like their daddy, Satan.


72 posted on 06/17/2005 5:16:04 AM PDT by Levante
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To: SandRat
When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything.
--G K Chesterton

Limeyland's downward spiralling plunge into the moral squalor its death-cultist and/or mad-cow-worshipping pagan-heathen/pantheist third-world migrants refuse to leave behind, has progressed beyond the point of no return.

Time to pull up our nation's every drawbridge.

73 posted on 06/17/2005 5:53:40 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I fly and need therefore envy no Earth Person! -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: You Dirty Rats
The thing that makes that program so successful is that they refuse to bend standards, and refuse to pay homage to the liberal god of unearned "self-esteem":

"The swimming requirements have as their purpose, the same objective which governs Scout Swim Requirements ... the safety of the Scout in the water, by developing in each Scout a confidence and true sense of his own ability. Thus, the rule toward Pipestone Swimming Requirements has been an ever-constant, rigid adherence to the letter of the requirement. To give a boy the "benefit of the doubt" and grant approval of his inadequate performance of a swimming requirement might be the most fateful decision a leader in camp will ever make.

Amen! And...

"No honor is respected by its recipient or his peers if that honor is gained through deceit or unfair practices. Striving towards the annual Camp Honor Award encourages the Scout to advance both in Camp and in his Unit. It is a valuable learning experience, and it emphasizes character development and builds self-confidence as well. Remember, the Pipestone cannot be awarded on the basis of effort alone!

The candidate must have fulfilled the established requirements as written. To reward a Scout when he is less than deserving, for emotional or other reasons, may do him a greater disservice than to encourage him to try again. Scouting's role is to prepare a boy to face life. Your own experience tells you that the most meaningful values are not always the easiest to attain!

It is absolutely no coincidence that the Buckeye Council maintains such strong membership. Contrary to the lib preference to make everything easier and hence more "inclusive", the Council has figured out that setting performance standards and holding rigidly to them is actually more appreciated by the boys themselves.

People who think the way to preserve the BSA is to lower standards have it exactly backwards.

74 posted on 06/17/2005 7:10:45 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Mr. Mojo

I've been out, so I have just read this. I had taken some Scouts and leaders into Canada for a week-long canoe trip into Quetico Provinical Park.

Anyway, I disagree that the activists intent is to destroy these organizations. To my mind, their intent is to gain acceptance of their behavior as normal and equal in status to heterosexual behavior. Association with something as all-American as the BSA will help with this.


75 posted on 06/20/2005 7:57:47 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Carry_Okie
Correct. GSUSA sold out to WAGGGS (World Association of Girl Scouts and Girl Guides). Their goal: produce good "Citizens of the World."

You need to re-examine WAGGGS' ideals, and those of Baden-Powell as well. Baden-Powell very definitely desired to get Scouts of all nations to get to know each other and become brothers as a way to develop world peace. As a General in the British Army, B-P was well aware of the alternatives.Finally, there is no requirement by either the WOSM (the world-wide organization that almost all Scouting organizations belong to, including the BSA) or WAGGGS (the girl-only Scouting organizations that don't belong to the WOSM) that their member organizations ban homosexuals.

76 posted on 06/20/2005 8:09:22 AM PDT by RonF
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To: mmercier; Clock King
mmercier said:

Scouts are now banned from all public halls, and have recently been thrown off of military bases where they met in conference halls.

Are you talking about Boy Scouting in America? If so, you are quite wrong. Please quote your source for these assertions.

My Troop and Pack both meet in public schools, and my Troop runs a fundraiser at a local Park District's gymnasium.

77 posted on 06/20/2005 8:12:18 AM PDT by RonF
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To: shellshocked; Tired of Taxes
You need to look at the BSA's Federal Charter. It is, in fact, the equivalent of a trademark grant (among other things). The BSA quite vigorously and successfully prevents the use of the word "Scout" by any organization other than the Girl Scouts of the United States of America. It's been tried many times.
78 posted on 06/20/2005 8:14:36 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RedBeaconNY

bttt... to show the padre.


79 posted on 06/20/2005 8:19:43 AM PDT by RedBeaconNY (1 Corinth 13:11. But when I became a man, I put away childish things.)
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To: Levante
Actually, I believe that there are two reasons why homosexuals want to force the BSA to allow them as members. First, many people either have or know gay children and want them to have the benefits of the BSA's programs. That I can understand and be sympathetic to; it's a great program.

However, I suspect that there are a number of homosexual activists that want this because the BSA is incontrovertably a central part of American culture. Getting the BSA to accept homosexual behavior would accelerate getting America as a whole to accept homosexual behavior as normal. They don't want to destroy the BSA; they want to use it.

I recently had a father enroll his son in our unit. He and I were discussing the program. He told me that he was uncomfortable with the BSA's policy on homosexual membership. I asked him, "Consider the sexual dynamics of boys ages 11 to 14. They are sometimes unsure of their own sexual nature or identity. Now take these boys, run them through a typical campout where they engage in a lot of unfamiliar and physical activities away from home and their parents. Now give them all knives, axes and saws and have them sleep together. What do you think might happen?" He said, "I hadn't thought of that!" and there was no more question.

80 posted on 06/20/2005 8:24:22 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Graymatter
Still waiting for American Heritage Girls to appear in our state. :(

Why wait? Why not be one of the people that helps bring it to your state?

81 posted on 06/20/2005 8:27:55 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF

It is time to move past the BSA and create a private, non-publicly created enterprise. That way, maybe, the new organization will have the rights to exclude pedophiles from their ranks.


82 posted on 06/20/2005 8:31:06 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: RonF
You need to re-examine WAGGGS' ideals, and those of Baden-Powell as well. Baden-Powell very definitely desired to get Scouts of all nations to get to know each other and become brothers as a way to develop world peace.

No, I don't. I have nothing agains promoting brotherhood among citizens of respective nations. However, "citizen" is a LEGAL term, identifying legal duties and responsibilities to a nation and its government. "Citizen of the world" therefore denotes fealty to a global government. Don't think for a second that these WAGGGS cheezes don't hold that objective.

Had you witnessed the duplicity, outright dishonesty, and cowardliness displayed by our local GSUSA over their plans to indoctrinate our children in politically correct sexuality, without our knowledge as parents, you might not take this so lightly.

83 posted on 06/20/2005 8:55:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: shellshocked
The BSA is a private, non-publicly created enterprise. What makes you think it is not. And not only does it have the right to exclude pedophiles from it's ranks, it does so quite vigorously. Why would you imply that it doesn't?
84 posted on 06/20/2005 9:17:27 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
Why not be one of the people that helps bring it to your state?

Semi-invalid now. Organizing anything would really put me in a hospital.

85 posted on 06/20/2005 9:55:52 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: RonF
mmercier said: Scouts are now banned from all public halls, and have recently been thrown off of military bases where they met in conference halls.

RonF said: Are you talking about Boy Scouting in America? If so, you are quite wrong. Please quote your source for these assertions

RonF is correct, as scouts are not banned from "all" public schools and halls". Just some.

Link http://www.bsa-discrimination.org/html/links.htm
86 posted on 06/20/2005 11:57:26 AM PDT by mmercier (bungee jumping into the abyss)
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To: highlander_UW

I"m your wicked Uncle Ernie I guess you won't see or hear me as I fiddle about, fiddle about, fiddle about.


87 posted on 06/20/2005 12:02:29 PM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I believe air rifles are now out in the UK.


88 posted on 06/20/2005 12:03:42 PM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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To: SandRat

Better start Christian Boy and Girl Scout troops to avoid this kind of crap in the future. Too bad they're ruining what was a great organization. For shame.


89 posted on 06/20/2005 12:05:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Nevermore

Make that 'formerly great'.


90 posted on 06/20/2005 12:08:36 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: XJarhead

When I was a scout, whoever had done the best since the last one, the scoutmaster would sleep in his tent, and he would be his assistant for that weekend. I got to be his assistant 4 times!


91 posted on 06/20/2005 12:12:48 PM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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To: RonF

I forgot the /sarcasm tag. As much as the BSA gets pounded on as though they are under public scrutiny, it would seem they must not be a private organization.


92 posted on 06/20/2005 12:22:06 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: mmercier

Any public school that bans the BSA from using it's facilities will fall afoul of the Equal Access Act and the No Child Left Behind Act, unless that school bans ALL after-school organizations from meeting there.

The link you gave is just a bunch of links on www.bsa-discrimination.org. There is no information on that page regarding any banning of BSA units from public schools, public halls, or military facilities.

FYI: the settlement that the DoD reached with the ACLU bans military units from sponsoring BSA units. This is in accordance with the DoD's own policies, which some military units were ignoring, that military units were forbidden from sponsoring non-military organizations. However, there is no ban that prevents any BSA unit from using facilities on military bases, and units still do use such facilities.

You really should do some research before posting assertions such as those you've made. So far you've not given any evidence backing them up, and they are all incorrect.


93 posted on 06/20/2005 1:13:10 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Marysecretary

At no point in the history of either the BSA or the British Boy Scouts were they intended to be an exclusively Christian organization. There have always been Hindus, Moslems, Mormons, and other non-Christian religions in the BSA and in the British Scouts.


94 posted on 06/20/2005 1:14:45 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF; shellshocked
The BSA is a private, non-publicly created enterprise. What makes you think it is not.

It is, and it isn't. I have no problem with a private organization being exclusive. I have no problem joining private, exclusive organizations. And for those I cannot join, they are free to associate with certain people and not to associate with others, even I'm one of those "others".

The problem is, BSA enjoys special privileges that other private organizations do not enjoy. For example, our local public schools allow BSA to recruit during school hours, even having public school teachers distribute BSA information to the students. (Even though BSA has a religious requirement and does not admit nonreligious kids).

If it's OK for the BSA to use public school property and class time to recruit new members, what about the other private, exclusive, religious-oriented organizations that exclude certain children? I'm sure there are plenty of churches and temples and mosques that would love to have the same access to public school students.

So, on the one hand, BSA plays the "we're-a-private-organization" card so it can exclude certain people; but it behaves more like a gov't agency, enjoying special privileges that other private orgs. are not permitted.

95 posted on 06/20/2005 2:47:52 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (News junkie here)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Because the BSA is not a church. It requires that you have a religious belief, but it does not require that you have any specific religious belief. You do not have to be a Catholic, or a Jew, or a Moslem, etc., etc., to join. You can worship a tree in your front yard if you want; it's all good to the BSA. So allowing the BSA to distribute recruitment material in the schools is not equivalent to letting the Jehovah's Witnesses do the same.
96 posted on 06/20/2005 3:15:16 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Tired of Taxes

If the BSA gets to use public property for their use is usually up to the public property administrators. Others can use the schools, too.


97 posted on 06/20/2005 4:26:00 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: johnb838

If you're saying that the Scoutmaster would sleep in a boy's tent and that boy was not his own son then that is wrong.

If you are saying that the Scoutmaster and youth traded tents (the boy got the BIGGER Scoutmaster's tent and the Scoutmaster took the boy's smaller tent) then that probably was ok.

BTW were there other adults out there also?


98 posted on 06/20/2005 5:30:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: RonF
You can worship a tree in your front yard if you want; it's all good to the BSA.

Oh, now, I highly doubt that... lol. Are you aware of any scout admitted by taking an oath to a tree? If so, then no one should have a problem joining the scouts. I could take my sons there right now and tell them we belong to the Church of Monday Night Football...

99 posted on 06/20/2005 10:25:46 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (News junkie here)
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To: everyone

The liberals are brilliant at entering other people's institutions and turning them inside out. They are like termites. Let them in, let their ideas and values in, and before you know it, they're in charge and utterly destructive.


100 posted on 06/20/2005 10:29:24 PM PDT by California Patriot
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