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Posted on 06/16/2005 4:56:23 PM PDT by Jane_N
San Francisco, Jun. 15, 2005 (CNA) - A ruling this week by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld an earlier decision that Holocaust survivors can continue their claims against the Vatican for the restitution of funds plundered from former Yugoslavia during the Second World War.
The majority of the victims of genocide in Croatia during World War II were Orthodox Christian Serbs. More than 500,000 of them were liquidated by the Croatian Ustasha, with the backing of some Catholic clerics. These funds have been referred to as the Ustasha or Croatian treasury.
According to a report by Matt Abbott, the San Francisco court denied a Vatican petition for reconsideration and a request for an extraordinary en banc hearing. It also issued an amended opinion which indicated the Italian Peace Treaty of 1947 did not preclude the lawsuit because the Vatican was not a signatory to the treaty.
While they're at it, can they call Dick Durbin as a witless witness?
There is no statute of limitations on murder.... even if the victims were just "mere" SERBS AND CHRISTIANS!! sarcasm off!!
This come back to bite us in the butt over Sand Creek and other massacres.
If they want to sue the Vatican, let them do in Italy, Rome or Serbia.
Why should WE pick up the tab on it??
The U.S. spent enough money on the mess Europeans created.
Why is this in the US courts?
Did you know about their infamous concentration camp, JASENOVIC??
Look it up at the Holocaust Museum in Washington.
And, yes it is sad but true.... the Croatians got away with it. And yes, there is evidence that there were SOME Roman Catholic clergy were actively involved with it.
SAD, very sad. Justice will be done here on earth MAYBE... but in the FINAL JUDGEMENT OF GOD ALMIGHTY.... FOR SURE!!
So why sue anybody? Why even try murders anywhere on earth at anytime?? Why, have any earthly trials at all??
Sure would save us ALL a lot of money not to have trials, jails and prisons!! And not having police to enforce laws... WOW!! Just think of ALL the money and TIME you could save!!! WOW! OH, WOW!!
As IF money was the only concern as far as justice is concerned. Silly me... to forget that MONEY is the most important thing in the world.
Anyone in 2005 isn't seeking justice. They want free money.
The 9th Circuit is not in the United States. They're on Planet Zongo.
It's not. The ninth cicuit is not a court it is a circus.
They might want their own money that wound up in somebody else's BANK ACCOUNT.
OH, how crude of them to want their OWN MONEY BACK!! Or even the money of their families that we murdered by Croatian nazis.
I sure hope you never get robbed and even think of sueing to get it back... why that would a TERRIBLE thing for you to do... SUE to get your money back!!
Just think, somebody has gotten away with stealing and killing for along time now. But, to you... that is OK....
Nevermind replying to me. I have my opinion and I WILL KEEP IT. I am on the side of JUSTICE!!
Whereas you, are on the OTHER SIDE.
PING!!
I am not aware...Are you saying the Catholic church had set up a prison camp for Jews???
Lawyers will profit again....There is no goal but profit for them.
Take a valium Lion. I'm not doing anything more than noting how Dick Durbin uses the Holocaust as just a useful tool of rhetoric.
LOL!!
Writing LIKE THIS doesn't IMPRESS me!
LOL!!
It certainly IS NOT their "OWN MONEY" that they "WANT BACK!!"
LOL!!
It IS vindictive AND petty TO SEEK damages 60+ years AFTER THE fact!!
LOL!!
LOL!!
LOL!!
Snicker!
Over my pay grade. What's going on here?
If you do not know about Jasenovic, please do look it up.
It is shocking. I was in Korea and what I saw, I really hate to recall. But, what I have read about Jasenovic ranks right up there with ALL the other nazis camps. Not too many Americans even know of the horrors that took place there.
The holocast is not JUST rhetoric to the Serbian Christian victims of Jasenovic and their families ... IT IS REALITY. THEY CAN USE THAT WORD ALL THEY WANT!! THEY OWN THE WORD!!
Would you say it is "just a useful tool of rhetoric" to a Jew or a Gypsy when they also say they were victims of the Jasenovic part of the holocaust??? THEY OWN THE WORD 'HOLOCAUST' as well.
What word do you own??? What have you suffered at the hands of tyrants?
Yes, I am and already was aware of it. Maybe you should focus this anger at Durbin.
I never knew you were in favor of nazis getting away with NOT only murder but robbery as well.
Oh, well, takes all kinds to make a world. Even those who snicker at those appalled by the holocaust.
The survivors could have taken their case directly to him. Perhaps they did.
The Church is not pure as the wind-drifted snow. There are plenty of looted treasures from massacred Jews, Huegenots, Cathars, Templars, heretics and accused witches that have found their way into the Vatican catacombs.
I am trying to get somebody to post some photos and stories about Jasenovic.
You know about the camp. Good!
Was shocking to say the least, when a year or so ago some apparently well educated Freepers, where totally unaware that Jasenovic existed or Croatian nazis were responsible for the hundreds of thousands of innocents who died there.
IF, this lawsuit ONLY brings out more information to the public about this shameless camp in Croatia.... then, some good will come of it.
I actually doubt that any money will ever be paid to the victims or their families. However, the information to the public about the past crimes, will be even more important.
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I just hope that the information about the Croatian holocaust will be made more evident to the world because of this trial.
Did the Croatian President also make any apology to the Serbian Christians or the Gypsies for the Croatia's part in their mass murder during WWII at Jasenovic???
As I understand it, No, he did not.
I place blame for Jasenovic on Croatians like pavelic and other like him and those who followed his commands. They were the murderous bigots and who hated any person not of the Croatian persuasion. You know like Jews, Gypsies and Serbians.
The one thing I want to see happen is that MORE Americans discover the truth about Jasenovic and learn from its horror.
Too many deniers of the holocaust roam our planet and more are born daily. But what is worse.... there are just too many people, called islamics, who now see nothing wrong with mass murder and persecution of those different from themselves.
"More than 500,000 of them were liquidated by the Croatian Ustasha, with the backing of some Catholic clerics."(emphasis added)
What the hell? By that standard, Holocaust victims could sue just about everyone because I'm sure you could find that the atrocities they suffered had "the back of some" members of any given organization. Why not sue Planned Parenthood because the Nazis forced sterilization on people?
What the hell, indeed. Look at some of the posts here.
While they're at it they can sue the rest of the world. LOL!
Another frivolous suit.
JMJ!
Like I said, I doubt if ANY money will be paid. Afterall, it was "JUST" Jews, Gypsies and Serbians who were murdered by the hundreds of thousands by Croatian nazis.
Why bother your little head with all that mass murder???
And, so the Roman Church has nothing to worry about. Does it?
The world gets more information about the holocaust and NOBODY pays a dime.
Now, just calm down. Nobody will ever be able to get the goods on or touch your church. You have not one thing to worry about. LOL!!
I think the 9th Circus has been smoking the wacky tabaky again.
Actually the 9th circus is rife with leftist pigs.
I'm just trying to understand this whole situation. How exactly is the Church financially responsible to pay the victims of these horrible crimes?
The most reversed court in the nation.
LOL! They could be heard singing, "I smoke two joints in the morning. I smoke two joint at night. I smoke two joint in the afternoon. It makes me feel all right..."
Thanks for the reminder!
Just this week, the Pope was asking the assistance of a liberal Methodist, the head of the WCC, to help in forming worldwide Church unity.
And, just this week, 350,000 members of the United Methodist Church of Virginia, voted to follow the Presbyterian Church of the USA and divest itself of any financial connection to Israel. They back the Palestinians. Can you believe it???
Lovely, just lovely? NOPE.
But, I have to ask, why did he ask a liberal METHODIST for help???
I just know, he did NOT know about the biggest group of Methodists in America, voting against Israel. I just know it.
Indeed! I told him, "over my dead body."
"I actually doubt that any money will ever be paid to the victims or their families. However, the information to the public about the past crimes, will be even more important."
I agree. This is about much more than money to the victims. The importance of the money is getting the perpetrators to own up to their crimes and getting the attention of the world.
"I smoke two joints in times of peace, and two in times of war. I smoke two joints, then I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more."
Please tell me that you are not suggesting that the Pope is antisemitic?
And then I just let go and let Jerry...
I saw that on a bumper sticker the other day. Need you ask -- yes, I live in the Land of Fruits and Nuts.
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