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'Freedom fries' politician calls for Iraq pullout
stuff.co.nz ^ | 17 June 2005

Posted on 06/17/2005 12:10:49 AM PDT by Destro

'Freedom fries' politician calls for Iraq pullout

17 June 2005

WASHINGTON: North Carolina Republican representative Walter Jones, who previously had pushed for french fries to be renamed "freedom fries", backed a congressional resolution today calling for a US troop withdrawal from Iraq in a reflection of growing American unease, but the White House and the Pentagon rejected the idea.

The resolution, also backed by Hawaii Democratic representative Neil Abercrombie, calls for the Bush administration to develop a plan by the end of this year to pull out all American troops from Iraq and to begin the withdrawal by October 1, 2006.

Jones said US forces had removed Saddam Hussein, given Iraqis a chance at democracy and were training their military.

"After they're trained, what else should the goals be? Do we want to be there for 20 years or 30 years?" he said.

In 2002, Jones voted for the resolution that gave Bush the authority to launch an invasion of Iraq. He also wanted the House cafeteria to rename french fries "freedom fries," as a snub to France because of its opposition to the war.

Today's resolution on Iraq withdrawal was introduced in the House of Representatives as White House aides said President George W Bush plans a more determined effort to defend the Iraq war amid growing public doubts.

Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said setting a withdrawal date would send the wrong message to Iraqi insurgents.

"This message would say to the terrorists: 'All you have to do is wait until that day when our troops leave and then you can start carrying out those attacks and just hold out.'" he said.

The resolution is not expected to get far in the Republican-led Congress, which, though critical of aspects of the war, has supported the president's efforts.

About two-dozen House Democrats held their own hearing on a British government memo that says that by July 2002 US intelligence was being "fixed" around a policy that would inevitably lead to war with Iraq. US-led forces invaded Iraq in March 2003.

"If these disclosures are true. . . they establish a prima facie case of going to war under false pretenses," said representative John Conyers of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the House judiciary committee who led the forum.

Conyers showed up at the gates of the White House with several other members of Congress to deliver the signatures of 122 congressional Democrats and 560,000 citizens on petitions seeking a response on the memo.

"We want an answer to our letter and if we have to send him 1 million signatures or 10 million, we're going to keep collecting them," said Conyers, who asked to deliver the bundles of documents in person but was told instead by White House staff members to pass them through the gate.

Dozens of protesters shouted "Let Conyers in" as they carried signs that said "Bushame on you. You lied, they died."

THE PENTAGON AND THE PUBLIC

At the Pentagon, Marine Corps Lt. Gen. James Conway, director of operations for the military's Joint Staff, also did not support any deadline and expressed disappointment over opinion polls showing waning American support for the US presence in Iraq.

Bush is facing some of the most pessimistic views on Iraq since launching the war two years ago. A poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press said this week that American support for an immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq is inching up – from 36 per cent last October, to 42 per cent in February, and 46 per cent now.

Bush will play host to Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari at the White House on June 24 and will deliver a speech about Iraq on June 28 to mark the first anniversary since the transfer of sovereignty from a US-led coalition to Iraqis.

The Bush administration has offered a conflicting picture of events in Iraq.

Vice President Dick Cheney boldly asserted recently that the Iraqi insurgency, which is killing dozens of people daily with brazen suicide attacks, was in its "last throes." Bush has offered a more sober picture while stressing progress is being made.

Jones voted for the October 2002 congressional resolution that gave Bush the authority to launch the invasion of Iraq the following March.


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"This message would say to the terrorists: 'All you have to do is wait until that day when our troops leave and then you can start carrying out those attacks and just hold out.'" he said.

May I play Devil's Advocate? Why would it say that? Why would it not say to the terrorists - "We trust freed Iraqis to fight for their future freedom and to help us in the war on terror as we helped liberate them"?

I think currently the Iraqi military outside of the excellent Kurdish peshmergas - best light infantry in the region (who sadly are not used for political reasons) are not ready to fight. But when will they be ready is a good question to ask, no?

Lastly, are we in Iraq for good? I don't mean in terms of occupation but is it a policy that our leaders want to keep permanent bases in Iraq but don't want to admit it openly (just yet)?

1 posted on 06/17/2005 12:10:49 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
"Lastly, are we in Iraq for good? I don't mean in terms of occupation but is it a policy that our leaders want to keep permanent bases in Iraq but don't want to admit it openly (just yet)?"

My Prediciton is eventually there will an American Militaary base over there so big you will be able to see it from space with the naked eye!

2 posted on 06/17/2005 12:13:38 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Destro

Must have been "waffle" fries!


3 posted on 06/17/2005 12:13:53 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Howlin; kcvl
The resolution, also backed by Hawaii Democratic representative Neil Abercrombie, calls for the Bush administration to develop a plan by the end of this year to pull out all American troops from Iraq and to begin the withdrawal by October 1, 2006.

I can't believe they are that bleeping stupid

4 posted on 06/17/2005 12:16:24 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1

I can.


5 posted on 06/17/2005 12:17:51 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

I HATE STUPID PEOPLE!!

/ rant >


6 posted on 06/17/2005 12:19:03 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1

"I can't believe they are that bleeping stupid"

Believe it.


7 posted on 06/17/2005 12:23:56 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw
Believe it

I know .. I suppose I'm trying to hope they aren't that stupid and maybe .. just maybe they learned something from History

The last time we pulled out of a war early .. over 2 million people were murdered

8 posted on 06/17/2005 12:27:38 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Destro
Lastly, are we in Iraq for good? I don't mean in terms of occupation but is it a policy that our leaders want to keep permanent bases in Iraq but don't want to admit it openly (just yet)?

I don't know about for good

But here's a hint .. we didn't leave Europe

9 posted on 06/17/2005 12:33:13 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Destro

Jones got 71% of the vote in 2004, so I can assume this is a pretty safe district, so I should hope this guy gets primaried next time around.


10 posted on 06/17/2005 12:38:59 AM PDT by RWR8189 (I Will Sit on My Hands in 2008 Instead of Voting for McCain)(No Money for the NRSC)
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To: Mo1

Good point. So we are never leaving I guess and the politicos won't tell it to our face - they wink at us and treat us like childern. I feel sorry for future soldiers deployed to Iraq when it is pacified if ever - at least in Europe and Japan there is some off base RR that soldiers can enjoy. Where can a GI go for beer in Iraq?


11 posted on 06/17/2005 12:39:37 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: RWR8189

Or maybe he is a good politician and knows what his district wants? Or maybe he is has convictions and does what we say we want politicians to do - lead and take a stand and not follow?


12 posted on 06/17/2005 12:41:16 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Maybe that's true, but it hasn't been my experience that the words "good" and "politician" fit well together in the same sentence.


13 posted on 06/17/2005 12:44:53 AM PDT by RWR8189 (I Will Sit on My Hands in 2008 Instead of Voting for McCain)(No Money for the NRSC)
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To: Mo1

I'm beginning to think that is exactly what they want.


14 posted on 06/17/2005 12:48:26 AM PDT by jess35
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To: RWR8189
Well I question the wisdom of any man that thinks changing "french fries" to "freedom fries" sends a signal to France (they are actually Belgian in origin - if that means anything). It was actually a disgraceful display of demagoguery that reminded me of stories of how German Americans were treated during WW1 when we changed food names from their German origins (how hotdogs got their new non German name).
15 posted on 06/17/2005 12:48:51 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

We're still in Germany and Japan, aren't we?


16 posted on 06/17/2005 12:54:51 AM PDT by ambrose (.)
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To: ambrose
Clinton promised "troops Home by Christmas" many years ago.
17 posted on 06/17/2005 12:58:26 AM PDT by ncountylee
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To: Destro
Jones ran for Congress as a Democrat. After he lost, he switched parties, and won as a Republican. He's a lick your fingers and stick them up to the wind kind of politician.. but he's certainly an indicator of which way the wind is currently blowing..
18 posted on 06/17/2005 12:58:43 AM PDT by ambrose (.)
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To: Destro
Do we want to be there for 20 years or 30 years?" he said.

Want to or not, we will.

19 posted on 06/17/2005 1:18:49 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Destro; Mo1
So we are never leaving I guess and the politicos won't tell it to our face - they wink at us and treat us like childern.

Who else is going to protect our property - that is, the petroleum - against the 15th century savages of the Middle East?

American politicians and the average American citizen both live in a comical circle of unreality.

It's our oil, and we'll be here for the next 30 years, minimum.

I'm not joking.

20 posted on 06/17/2005 1:25:51 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Exactly. How long have our troops been in Japan, Germany and South Korea? What is the date for our withdrawal there?


21 posted on 06/17/2005 1:25:53 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin

Well, it's worth keeping in mind that the reason our troops are still in Korea is because the reason that they went there in the first place is just as urgent and valid as ever.

As for Japan and Germany, our troops are still there because it's more convenient than moving them elsewhere.


22 posted on 06/17/2005 1:31:47 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Hugin
The sad thing is that we're lucky to have a brilliant group of strategic thinkers advising the President, and most Americans just don't get it.

If we don't stabilize and control the Middle East (which has descended into an insane and violent region), we put the Western world's oil supply at risk, and therefore the whole of Western civilization. The Middle East won't just "sort itself out," it's way too far down the road of evil.

23 posted on 06/17/2005 1:34:35 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Destro

I saw this bunk on the news at the bar. My first thought - should we not first consider pulling out of Germany and Japan?


24 posted on 06/17/2005 1:39:22 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Destro

CS

25 posted on 06/17/2005 1:45:36 AM PDT by Allegra (But It's A Dry Heat...)
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To: Destro
but is it a policy that our leaders want to keep permanent bases in Iraq but don't want to admit it openly (just yet)?

Yes. And it's not a big secret here.

26 posted on 06/17/2005 1:47:17 AM PDT by Allegra (But It's A Dry Heat...)
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To: Destro
Lastly, are we in Iraq for good? I don't mean in terms of occupation but is it a policy that our leaders want to keep permanent bases in Iraq but don't want to admit it openly (just yet)?

Considering we're still in Europe following WWII, I think the Iraqis will be looking forward to some company for a while.

27 posted on 06/17/2005 2:04:04 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Destro

bttt


28 posted on 06/17/2005 2:07:10 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I think that it would be a good idea to have a permanent base in the middle east.
29 posted on 06/17/2005 2:33:39 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Destro

My German grandmother recalled that sauerkraut was renamed `liberty cabbage' during WW1 (my grandfather enlisted and served with distinction in the U.S. Army).

Seriously, we're in Iraq for the long haul and it's for this nation's good as well as the peoples of the region. I don't say this lightly. I'm 56, a Vietnam veteran and serving Army reservist who has already deployed and is eligible to do so again.

As for renaming, we reservists were subjected to a mandatory class on sexual harassment. A scenario described a superior giving a subordinate female a
French kiss. I stood up and said, "Excuse me, sir, but that's FREEDOM KISS!"


30 posted on 06/17/2005 3:37:47 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Destro
I listened to talk radio stations all day yesterday which featured ABS and C(linton)NN news at the top of the hour. I was laughing more with each report because the news readers were almost giddy reporting on the "bi-partisan" effort of four congressmen. Four!

I can imagine if we'd told Hitler--alright, you better straighten out because we're out of here on 1/1/45. No ifs ands or buts!

31 posted on 06/17/2005 3:42:58 AM PDT by RushLake (Democrats in the senate and house have never met a terrorist they didn't like.)
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To: Destro

bump


32 posted on 06/17/2005 3:43:05 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: angkor

Thank you! I've been trying to get that point across to those who want to run. Unsuccessfully I might add.


33 posted on 06/17/2005 3:44:17 AM PDT by listenhillary (Socialists have only killed 100 million. We'll never learn will we?)
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To: mariabush
I think that it would be a good idea to have a permanent base in the middle east.

We do. It's called Israel ;-)

34 posted on 06/17/2005 4:26:18 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Destro
at least in Europe and Japan there is some off base RR that soldiers can enjoy.

Not right after WWII .. Europe didn't just become a resort area because Germany surrendered

IMO .. I think once the Iraqis get things under control and they can protect their own country

Then majority of US troops will be pulled out ... but we will keep a small base somewhere there to remind the bad guys not to try a take over

35 posted on 06/17/2005 5:56:27 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: angkor
Who else is going to protect our property - that is, the petroleum - against the 15th century savages of the Middle East?

If we wanted that country .. we would have made it a USA State way back in the 1st Gulf War

That wasn't our intent then .. it isn't our intent now

We don't have a problem paying for our Oil

We do have a problem with a bunch of nuts that want to kill us

36 posted on 06/17/2005 6:01:24 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: ambrose

Seems when he 'freedom fried' his way into the news many Republicans liked where he stuck his finger.


37 posted on 06/17/2005 6:04:58 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

So funny, my daughter's school served "Freedom fries" all year, said so on the monthly menu. I guess the cafeteria manager had right political leanings.


38 posted on 06/17/2005 6:06:00 AM PDT by RepubMommy
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To: Mo1
Not right after WWII

What crappy history books were you reading? The Japanese on their own dime opened brothels all over Japan in fear that if there was no outlet Americans would hit on (ok the Japanese thought "rape") local Japanese girls.

What the German and Italian woman would do for nylons and choclate under the occupation is the stuff of legends.

39 posted on 06/17/2005 6:09:28 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: RepubMommy

How sad.


40 posted on 06/17/2005 6:37:12 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: elcid1970
The discrimination against Germans during WW1 was a disgrace and the example you provided was what I thought of when I first heard "freedom fries". It disgusted me.

PS: I am not a German.

41 posted on 06/17/2005 6:39:12 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
How sad.

And why is that, exactly?

42 posted on 06/17/2005 7:17:35 AM PDT by RepubMommy
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To: RepubMommy

See #41


43 posted on 06/17/2005 7:34:02 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: RepubMommy
Changing words like that is Orwellian '1984' like speak. We conservatives usually are the ones fighting chanes to our language like "chairperson" or "chair" instead of "chairman", "humanity" instead of "mankind", "Ms." instead of "Miss" or "Mrs."

Changing the name of a food product is on par with that Orwellian warning of how language can be used as a tool against free thought.

44 posted on 06/17/2005 7:38:21 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Changing the name of a food product is on par with that Orwellian warning of how language can be used as a tool against free thought.

Oh lighten up, for Pete's sake, or better yet, have a drink- it's Friday. I think it was rather bold of her to do that in an academic environment, as we all know where they normally stand on poltical issues.

45 posted on 06/17/2005 8:44:52 AM PDT by RepubMommy
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To: Mo1
We don't have a problem paying for our Oil

You clearly haven't read Osama bin Laden's insane rants about the West "stealing the wealth of the Ummah."

What in the dickens do you think he's talking about, dates? Carpets?

46 posted on 06/17/2005 7:30:52 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Destro

If I remember correctly, wasn't it that dimwit Sheila Jackson Lee who called for the fries to once again reference the cheese eating surrender monkeys? (not her words)


47 posted on 06/17/2005 7:34:28 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: Destro
Yep.

"Delays in rebuilding good will are costing Americans lives" ( 9/17/2003 ) "President Bush is now urging that all parties put aside 'past bickering.' Delays in rebuilding international good will are costing Americans lives in Iraq, and billions of dollars to the American taxpayers," Lee wrote last week in a letter first reported by the congressional newspaper Roll Call. "A symbolic start to that effort would be reinstating foods in the House cafeterias and dining halls and their traditional 'American' names — french toast and french fries." But House Administration Committee Chairman Bob Ney, R-Ohio, who initiated the menu change with Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., said they'll continue to fight for their freedom fries. Ney said that the day after Jackson Lee wrote her letter the French came out with an untenable timetable for elections in Iraq, confounding U.S. efforts to win United Nations backing for the reconstruction effort. "They were noncooperative and arrogant then," before the war, "and they are again noncooperative and arrogant," Ney said. "I haven't seen a huge change." Ney said that was originally a gesture toward the French "has become an international food fight. It means something to a lot of people." "The whole premise behind the gesture was to support our troops in Iraq," said Lanier Swann, spokeswoman for Jones. "The congressional passion in support of them has not waned and the French position has not changed." Source: Fox News 91 Comments

48 posted on 06/17/2005 7:37:19 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: Destro
What crappy history books were you reading? The Japanese on their own dime opened brothels all over Japan in fear that if there was no outlet Americans would hit on (ok the Japanese thought "rape") local Japanese girls.

So what you're saying is that Europe and Japan was just one big whore house??

Sorry pal .. but not everything is about sex

49 posted on 06/17/2005 8:47:10 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Destro
The discrimination against Germans during WW1 was a disgrace and the example you provided was what I thought of when I first heard "freedom fries". It disgusted me.
PS: I am not a German.

They start a war and and we are a disgrace because of a name change on food??

PS ... My Grandfather was gased by the Germans in WWI

50 posted on 06/17/2005 8:52:26 PM PDT by Mo1
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