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Inside the Iraq fragging incident
MSNBC ^ | JUNE 17, 2005 | MSNBC

Posted on 06/17/2005 2:44:49 PM PDT by ex-snook

Sgt. Alberto Martinez of the New York National Guard is accused of killing his two superior officers after reportedly being disciplined by one of them and is believed to be the first soldier in Iraq to face such charges.

MSNBC military analyst and retired Army Colonel Jack Jacobs joined MSNBC's Amy Robach on Friday to discuss the charges and whether there is a danger of fragging becoming a growing trend.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fragging; iraq; killing
Our troops have it hard enough without having a'holes like this in the ranks. This guy should be shot after a one hour trial. Everyone has to get the message.
1 posted on 06/17/2005 2:44:49 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: ex-snook

So MSNBC is looking (hoping) for more ?


2 posted on 06/17/2005 2:49:31 PM PDT by ncountylee
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To: ex-snook

Be prepared for the post-traumatic-stress-this-war-just-got-to-me defense.


3 posted on 06/17/2005 2:50:26 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: ex-snook

Stupid Bush.


4 posted on 06/17/2005 2:50:52 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: ex-snook

You bet. He would have been much better off taking the reprimand.


5 posted on 06/17/2005 2:52:30 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: ncountylee
Well "fragging" was one of the medias favorite Vietnam phenomenon.
6 posted on 06/17/2005 2:53:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: kezekiel
"Be prepared for the post-traumatic-stress-this-war-just-got-to-me defense."

He shouldn't live that long.

7 posted on 06/17/2005 3:00:49 PM PDT by ex-snook (Protectionism is Patriotism is both war and trade.)
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To: cripplecreek
Yep!!! As the media joyously reports on CNN in its coverage of this murder:

Fragging entered the American lexicon in the Vietnam War. Such incidents increased late in the 1960s as the strains grew on a draftee army waging an unpopular war. Young men feeling hassled or unnecessarily put in harm's way by their commanders settled their grievances with a fragmentation grenade or a bullet in the back.

Between 1969 and 1971, the Army reported 600 fragging incidents that killed 82 Americans and injured 651. In 1971 alone, there were 1.8 fraggings for every 1,000 American soldiers serving in Vietnam, not including gun and knife assaults.

SOB's trying and hoping to get it started again. Dick Durban and John "Senate Testimony" Kerry are good examples of the MSM"s idea of a hero.

8 posted on 06/17/2005 3:07:48 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

I think it was Bernard Goldberg who said that the men who were reporters during the Vietnam war and Watergate are all executives or top dollar anchors today. They think they see a chance to get their last big score before retirement.


9 posted on 06/17/2005 3:14:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: kezekiel

The 'diminished capacity' defense won't work...
Not with PTSD as causal...


10 posted on 06/17/2005 3:34:55 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: ex-snook
I agree. I was a New York National Guardsman, and a 42nd Division man, and I am ashamed to have a Guardsman who would do something that evil. However, I'm not surprised. Some of the New York soldiers were pretty undisciplined, as in any unit.
11 posted on 06/17/2005 4:44:58 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (Proudly confusing editors and readers since 1981!)
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"This guy should be shot after a one hour trial. Everyone has to get the message."

If he'd have only fragged himself instead he could have been the democrat presidential nominee in 30 years.

12 posted on 06/17/2005 4:47:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: ex-snook
Sgt. Alberto Martinez of the New York National Guard is accused of killing his two superior officers after reportedly being disciplined by one of them and is believed to be the first soldier in Iraq to face such charges.

Whatever happened to that mook that rolled a grenade into an officer's tent a couple/three years ago?

13 posted on 06/17/2005 6:47:55 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.1)
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To: ex-snook
He shouldn't live that long.

Yes he should. He should be turned over to his former troopies - THEY are the only ones in the world with the right to define 'justice' in this case - with the absolute order that they can do anything to/with him EXCEPT kill him. For a very, Very, VERY long time. I'm sure he will want suicide before too long, and he should be denied that luxury.

14 posted on 06/17/2005 7:07:17 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.1)
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To: ex-snook
This guy should be shot after a one hour trial.

Agreed.

But what are the other 59 minutes for?

15 posted on 06/17/2005 8:23:43 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: ncountylee

My money says yes.


16 posted on 06/17/2005 8:25:30 PM PDT by sport
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To: solitas

I believe he got life.


17 posted on 06/17/2005 8:26:22 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: solitas

"Whatever happened to that mook that rolled a grenade into an officer's tent a couple/three years ago?"

That dude never even made it out of Kuwait. I think he got 35 years.


18 posted on 06/17/2005 8:28:51 PM PDT by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: mabelkitty; calenel

His life sentence costs us taxpayers too much - he's another one who should've been returned to his former mates for justice.


19 posted on 06/18/2005 8:47:18 AM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.1)
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To: solitas

I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing someone was being torn apart limb by limb and fed to dogs.
I'm just not that violent.


20 posted on 06/18/2005 7:57:01 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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