Skip to comments.One-world religion on its way? - (where's the proof that George W. Bush favors this monstrosity?)
Posted on 06/17/2005 2:58:43 PM PDT by CHARLITE
'False Dawn' exposes powerful, secretive movement for new global faith
What do George W. Bush, George Soros, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and the Dalai Lama have in common?
All have thrown their support to the United Religions Initiative. And what is the URI? According to a new blockbuster book, "False Dawn: The United Religions Initiative, Globalism, And The Quest For A One-world Religion" by Lee Penn, it's something that doesn't bode well either for a sovereign America or for Christianity.
The interfaith movement, explains investigative reporter Lee Penn, began with the 1893 World's Parliament of Religions in Chicago, and has since grown worldwide. Although this movement has been largely unknown to the public, it now provides a spiritual face for globalization, the economic and political forces leading from nationalism to a one-world system, he says.
The most ambitious organization in today's interfaith movement is the United Religions Initiative, or URI, founded by William Swing, the Episcopal bishop of California. In "False Dawn," Penn, a Catholic ex-Marxist, exhaustively documents the history and beliefs of the URI and its New Age and globalist allies, the vested interests that support these movements, and the direction they appear to be taking.
The interfaith movement is no longer merely the province of a coterie of little-heeded religious idealists with grandiose visions, he says. The URI's proponents have ranged from billionaire George Soros to President George W. Bush, from the far-right Rev. Sun Myung Moon to the liberal Catholic theologian Hans Küng, and from the Dalai Lama to the leaders of government-approved Protestant churches in the People's Republic of China.
According to Penn, the interfaith movement, including the URI, is being promoted by globalist and New Age reformers who favor erosion of national sovereignty, marginalization of traditional religions, establishment of "global governance," and creation of a new, Earth-based "global spirituality" in effect, a one-world religion.
Therefore, warns "False Dawn," the URI and the interfaith movement are poised to become the spiritual foundation of the New World Order the "new civilization" now proposed by Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet Union.
As Penn explains it:
French metaphysician René Guénon, in "The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times," spoke of the "anti-tradition" (the forces of materialism and secular humanism) finally giving way to the "counter-tradition" (the satanic inversion of true spirituality), leading to the regime of Antichrist. The "anti-tradition" weakens and dissolves traditional spiritualities, after which the "counter-tradition" sets up a counterfeit in their place. Since Guénon's time, as is well known, anti-traditional forces have greatly advanced worldwide. It is less well-known that counter-traditional movements have also made great strides, and now stand closer to the centers of global political and religious power than ever before. The "counter-tradition" is making inroads on the political and cultural Right, as much as it is doing on the Left.
"False Dawn" painstakingly documents these trends, and speculates on their future development. In so doing, the author takes investigative reporting to the threshold of prophecy, and gives us a stunningly plausible picture of the global religious landscape of the 21st century.
World Nut Daily is competing with Debka for the number one goofball conspiracy site on the net......
The URI has been promoted so well that the first I've heard of it is a book denouncing it.
gives us a stunningly plausible picture of the global religious landscape of the 21st century.
He better plan on learning to read Arabic.
Sounds like they're pitching that book to California, the land of fruits and nuts. It's not a real story.
René Guénon was a convert to Islam. Penn has a strange way of explaining the purpose of his book by quoting Guénon. Bishop Swing and the URI may be strange, but not to the degree of Guénon and his conversion.
On June 13 President Bush spoke to a group of muslim exchange students and made the following statement.
"I believe there's an almighty god who speaks to different faiths -- and I believe freedom is a gift from that almighty," the president said.
Most Christians would take that to be an explicit endorsement of a "many ways to God" religion by a man who claims the name of Christ.
This has been reported in several publications but you can read the actual text of the speeh here> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050613-2.html
God may speak to people in different faiths, but He is not necessarily telling them what they want to hear. Nevertheless, even the pagans have the law of God written in their hearts, as St. Paul said. I don't see the President's words as necessarily religious syncretism.
If that's the most ambitious org then I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Ask an Episcopalian about William Swing.
1893? Another conspiracy that started decades ago. *SIGH* The problem with all of these idiotic conspiracy theories is that they completely contradict and smash into each other, like 2 freight trains on the same track. People who love a conspiracy, don't just love one, they usually love them all, especially if it's a GLOBAL conspiracy. Of course, since they don't use their brain for sane, rational thought, they are simply unable to come to terms with the fact that all of these idiotic conspiracies completely cancel each other out. It's not like holding 2 opposing viewpoints at the same time. It's like holding 10, 20, or 100 different viewpoints at the same time.
Bump. It is regrettable that conservatives have to constantly attack their religious allies.
But where is the Initiative? When someone says that there is a United Religion Initiative I would think that it could be posted so we all can read it. Otherwise, this is poppycock.
As well as LewCrockwell.com
I think WND has already won that contest hands down. Debka isn't so much "goofball", but rather has an editorial policy of publishing any remotely plausible rumor concerning its area of interest, just in case it turns out to be true. Possibly this is due a genuinely goofy desire to be able to claim they were "first" to break significant stories (hardly a significant accomplishment, since anybody who matters knows that a story's appearance in Debka is not an indication that it's likely to be true, and that when the occasionally manage a scoop it's no more remarkable than a stopped clock being right twice a day). But I suspect Debka actually has a more strategic plan, namely to flush out information about the possible validity of specific intelligence tips, by generating a lot of Internet chatter on the precise topic. And given the part of the world Debka focuses on, "remotely plausible" covers a whole lot of ground. If I read a story about public pre-schools in the U.S. having kids dress up as suicide bombers and receive serious instruction on how to become real ones, I'd immediately dismiss it as tin-foil hat nonsense. But in the Middle East, that's documented reality, so what counts as borderline plausible includes some pretty wild tales.
As you ask in your posted headline, where's the proof that George W. Bush supports this? It's articles like these which undermine whatever credibility World Net Daily still has.
I tend to concur with your observations.
"But where is the Initiative?"
It's right here> http://www.uri.org/
United Religions Initiative (URI) was founded in 2000 by an extraordinary global community committed to promoting enduring, daily interfaith cooperation and to ending religiously motivated violence. Today the URI includes thousands of members in over 50 countries representing more that 100 religions, spiritual expressions, and indigenous traditions.
Actually, folks, the movement really is growing worldwide. Stay away from the conspiracy sites and do your own research. I've been aware of it for a couple of years now and it is a mix of New Age spiritualism and the H.P. Blavatsky, Alice Bailey theosophy movement which began before the turn of the 20th century. Alice Bailey formed Lucifer Trust, now called Lucis Trust, which is an official U.N. NGO and which publishes U.N. material. Don't dismiss it as just another conspiracy.
It is foretold in the Bible. If you believe that the Bible is God's word, then it isn't a "nut" conspiracy. It is just the truth.
But have no fear--God has a plan.
Have you been in a Unitarian Universalist church lately?
Drop in some time and see who is attending.
Would you mind elaborating? I am seriously interested in your perceptions of what is going on in the church that you mentioned.
HELL NO!!! I stopped going when I left home many many decades ago. That is my parent's "Church".
I am not a follower or believer in the Bible as it is translated by King James, New International, etcetra. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but not these translations of His word.
The Unitarians have a long history in America. Both Presidents Adams are interred in a Unitarian Universalist church.
Unitarians dropped any reference to Christ and the Cross sometime near the end of the 1800's as I recall.
I would characterized modern Unitarians as Spiritual Humanists. They talk of spirit as not to mean a reference to the God of Jews and Christians, but more as a collective consciousness. In my home state, their congregations look like freak shows. They reach out for members of any religion and misfits like homosexuals, bi's, and transsexuals
They are one-worlders.
Why? I'd never heard of this theory (or movement), let alone that George W. Bush, who is a Methodist, is somehow involved in it. So, that is why I posted it, to see what FR members know about it.
How does the posting of the article demonstrated being "troubled?" It amounts to a query, on my part. Kindly explain.
I'm glad you did post it. I have no idea about any possible Bush involvement, but it is a very real and growing movement. And it is anti-Christian. Few paid attention to the secularist movement until it was too late and many FReepers try to warn of the socialist movement with little luck. People need to expand their horizons a little and start paying attention. Thanks again.
Thank you very much and from what you say, I agree they are, indeed, one-worlders. Not Christians, but the god of the cosmos-type believers.
Well, now I AM "troubled." This is troubling indeed.
Thank you for the information.
Most Christians would take that to be an explicit endorsement of a "many ways to God" religion by a man who claims the name of Christ.
More likely that Presidnt Bush is trying to express a theological position that there is some truth in most great religions, this is not a new concept. To avoid offending those present he did not continue by saying Christianity Is all the Truth.
Thanks for the link. However, the following is from their website and I would like to know how the establishment of a world religion be ascertained from this:
We, people of diverse religions, spiritual expressions and indigenous traditions throughout the world, hereby establish the United Religions Initiative to promote enduring, daily interfaith cooperation, to end religiously motivated violence and to create cultures of peace, justice and healing for the Earth and all living beings.
We respect the uniqueness of each tradition, and differences of practice or belief.
anks for the link. However, this is from the link and I would like to know how the establishment of a world religion can be seen in this:
The responses you get on this thread will prove the point, just watch,
Billy Graham said the same thing on the Larry King show, maybe that is where the president picked up that notion.
I have heard him say this a few times too. It does trouble me. I know that he has to represent all people, but there needs to be another way instead of throwing Jesus out ont he curb to make these people feel good about America.
"Have you been in a Unitarian Universalist church lately?
Drop in some time and see who is attending"
About two months ago the Houston Chronicle Sunday paper had a several page pull out on the Unitarian Church. There was a lot of interesting information in there about that church and it was all scary. They sound all nice and friendly, but just like what will happen in the one world religion, you have to throw Jesus out the door.
"More likely that President Bush is trying to express a theological position that there is some truth in most great religions, this is not a new concept. To avoid offending those present he did not continue by saying Christianity Is all the Truth"
*sigh* there are spiritual consequences for this. He would not have to say that. He could have said something along the lines of "My faith teaches that Jesus is the way to heaven and you have different faiths that talk about where you go. But the point is that America accepts whatever faith you have and you can live here in peace...He does not have to water down his own faith to do this.
That could be, since Graham has been a huge influence in his life. I would like Graham to elaborate more on this and see what he says. I know his son Franklin does not at all agree with this and has said so.
That is the world religion!
Muslims can still be muslims. Hindus can still be Hindu's, B'Hais can still be B'Hais. And Christians can still be Christians as long as they don't insist that Jesus is the ONLY way to God. You see, we all worship the same God, even our "Christian" president says so. Let's drop all our petty doctrinal differences and just get along.
I certainly didn't read anything about Jesus in the Initiative so I don't know where you came up with that. I am not defending the Initiative but I am criticizing those who say that this Initiative is forming a one world religion. If it is a one world religion, what is it and what do they believe in? Please, not opinion, but facts.
Some folks simply have NO clue whatsoever!
You must have overlooked my Post #35.
Maybe that is why you overlooked my Post #35.
Can Muslims still be Muslims if they don't say that Mohammed is the only way to God?
Secondly...If it is a one world religion, what is it and what do they believe in?
They "believe" many things and they are expressed in their Preamble, Purpose, and Principles. Even though they claim not to be a religion...(1. The URI is a bridge-building organization, not a religion.
...they put quite a bit of emphasis on the Earth as a living entity, not as an object. This, IMO at least, makes them worshippers of the Earth and that makes it a religion, despite their claims that they're not a religion.
I guess it all comes down to the definition of "religion". Since they give none one is left to speculate. Your specualtion may simply be different from mine much as your definition of religion may be different from theirs. I would say that there simplky are no easy answers to your questions. Believe as you will and I'll do the same.
I believe they're trying to install a world religion myself based upon "Earth worship".