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(from Al Jazeera -- thanks, DICK) U.S. Senator Stands by Nazi Remark
al jazeera ^ | 6-16-05 | Someone wearing a bed sheet

Posted on 06/18/2005 8:23:36 AM PDT by doug from upland

(NOTE: for full disclosure, why aren't they saying that the DemocRATic Party contributed to this article?)

US senator stands by Nazi remark

Thursday 16 June 2005, 21:38 Makka Time, 18:38 GMT
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A US senator has refused to apologise for comparing the actions of US soldiers at Guantanamo Bay to those of Nazis, while others have decried or defended the mandate and method used to hold prisoners there.

US Senator Dick Durbin on Wednesday refused to apologise for comments he made on the Senate floor referring to Nazis, Soviet gulags and a "mad regime" like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

Illinois Republican party chairman Andy McKenna had demanded he apologise.

"Senator Durbin's comments come as a great disservice to our military personnel in Guantanamo," he said.

"They are also a great disservice to all US soldiers and veterans who have fought, and continue to fight, to overcome evil regimes and spread democracy around the world."

Durbin did not plan to apologise for the comments, spokesman Joe Shoemaker said.

"This administration should apologise to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorising torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin had said in a statement on Wednesday evening.

Attack

During a speech on Tuesday, Durbin, the Senate's number two Democrat, quoted from an FBI agent's report describing detainees at the naval base in Cuba as being chained to the floor without food or water in extreme temperatures.

(insert in article... US Senator Dick Durbin -- "You would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings")

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings."

Durbin is not alone in his criticism.

Human-rights groups have long accused the administration of unjustly detaining suspects at the prison camp. Amnesty International last month called the detention centre the "gulag of our times".

Rebuttal

President George Bush and other administration officials, however, have strongly resisted such comparisons and questioned Amnesty's objectivity.

(insert in article... Alberto Gonzales, US Attorney General -- "It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter")

"I take strong exception to any characterisations that try to diminish what our military is doing and the standards and values that they adhere to," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The Bush administration calls the Guantanamo prisoners enemy combatants who are entitled to fewer legal protections than those afforded to prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions.

Defence

According to US Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales on Wednesday, the US government often considers whether it would be better to stop detaining prisoners at Guantanamo.

(insert in article with Gonzales photo...Gonzales (L) has defended the right to hold enemy combatants)

"That's a question that is evaluated, I would say, quite often," he said in Sheffield, England, where he will attend a meeting of G8 interior ministers on Thursday and Friday.

On Wednesday, he had said "there will of course be an end", but did not specify when.

He also pointed out that about a dozen of those who had been released had returned to fight against the US.

"It's difficult to explain to a mom and dad who's lost their son or daughter how you can have someone in Guantanamo Bay, release them and then they kill your son and daughter," he said.

Since the camp was set up after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, 167 detainees have been freed and 67 others released to the custody of their home governments.

About 520 detainees from about 40 countries remain at Guantanamo. Only 12 have been handed over to military commissions for investigation of possible war crimes and four have been charged.

Debate

In a three-hour hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, legal experts from the US military and the Justice Department said the US had a right under the Geneva Conventions to hold enemy combatants.

But committee chairman Senator Arlen Specter suggested lawmakers would have to clarify what he called a "crazy quilt" of laws and regulations governing the detentions.

Some lawmakers want the facility closed, saying it has become a liability that inflames Muslims against the United States.

"Guantanamo is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and it remains a festering threat to our security," Senator Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, said.

Survey

A Pew Research Centre poll, taken over the weekend, indicated most Americans agree that reports of abuse at Guantanamo are isolated incidents, and 39% think the news media is paying too much attention to the issue.

The poll found a sharp partisan divide on the issue - Democrats believing the abuses to be systemic and Republicans saying they were isolated incidents.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aljazeera; durbin; traitor

1 posted on 06/18/2005 8:23:36 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
My post from another thread on this subject:

No apology here, and no "misunderstanding" either!

What Durbin and all the other Democratic Partisans are doing during this critical time of war against extremist terrorists is consistent with President George Washington's Farewell admonition regarding what he identified as the danger of the "spirit of Party."

Hear this small excerpt from that dire warning:

". . .the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it."

"It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions."

Historically knowledgeable "wise people" have complained about Durbin's partisan-motivated public statements, which are either uninformed or deliberately intended to damage his country's President's effort to contain and wage a dangerous war against tyranny.

And, he claims they "misunderstood" him????

If the accusatory and inflammatory remarks of Dean, Durbin, Kennedy, Biden, and other partisans are allowed to stand, unchallenged by a "wise people," then we must conclude that the decades-long failure to teach and learn the Founders' principles, and the means by which they can be subverted, has succeeded!

2 posted on 06/18/2005 8:27:04 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Separated at birth: Kent Brockman and Dick Durbin

Complete with competing hyperbole...

3 posted on 06/18/2005 8:32:55 AM PDT by Lyford
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To: doug from upland
"Guantanamo is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and it remains a festering threat to our security," Senator Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, said.

How about that! Two international embarrassments / festering threats in one sentence.

4 posted on 06/18/2005 8:36:47 AM PDT by hauerf
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To: doug from upland

Durbin doesnt know any more about the Geneva Convention than he does about being a Senator or a Decent American for that matter


5 posted on 06/18/2005 8:39:33 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: doug from upland

The most disgusting thing about Durbin's comments is that these Democrat politicians only say what their constituents want to hear. Does this mean that the good people of Illinois agree with him, or is he committing political suicide with this?


6 posted on 06/18/2005 8:41:48 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: hauerf

Let those two idiots (Dumb & Dumber) keep it up -- more red states for us in 2008.


7 posted on 06/18/2005 8:43:59 AM PDT by NewMediaFan (Fake but accurate)
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To: doug from upland
Someone wearing a bed sheet

Senator Byrd wrote this article?

8 posted on 06/18/2005 8:44:31 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Michael Jackson is as innocent as O. J. Simpson.)
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To: hauerf
"The Democratic Party is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and it remains a festering threat to our security."

The Democrats' so-called "common ground" is naught but a quicksand-filled swamp.

9 posted on 06/18/2005 8:45:50 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: hauerf
The point is that the Democrats are an embarrassment to our country.
10 posted on 06/18/2005 8:48:48 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Senator Durbin is evidence that the best among us do not become Senators. Senator Durbin should resign and his fellow Senators should demand that he does.

This is not rhetoric. That the Senator cannot distinguish between persecuted and murdered civilians and terrorist murderers caught out of uniform on the battlefield is a disgrace.

Lacking knowledge of history, the Geneva convention and the situation in Gitmo, the Senator provides the enemy with ammo. His outrage is worse than Jayne Fonda during Viet Nam.

Call your Senator and call your Congressman and demand they call for Durbin's resignation!
11 posted on 06/18/2005 8:48:54 AM PDT by paguch
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To: NewMediaFan
Let those two idiots (Dumb & Dumber) keep it up -- more red states for us in 2008.

The problem with their statements is not that it gives political advantage to them or to us. The problem is that they endanger our soldiers and undermine the war on terror.

12 posted on 06/18/2005 8:57:35 AM PDT by ShowMeMom (America: The home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: doug from upland

Leahy is right, GITMO is an embarrassment to our country-too d*mn many empty cells-or maybe because we have too many occupied cells.

GITMO is an embarrassment because we should be using a take no prisoners approach to this war on cowardly terrorists.


13 posted on 06/18/2005 8:57:56 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Progressivism : a brain eating bacteria, that eats, craps and departs, leaving only sh*t for brains.)
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To: ShowMeMom
Yes, this is not a political debate, but it does prove that the NY elite policital orgs, (media), are in bed with the Dems to:

Destroy our soldier's reputations.
Encourage distrust among the American public of our soldiers and their leaders.
Encourage our enemies to fight on, for more deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Encourage the public to only trust the UN for any future conflicts. Encourage the myth of "terrorists" being victims of US and Israeli oppression and occupation.
Destroy America as a superpower.
Destroy the President and his party.

Very simple.
14 posted on 06/18/2005 9:08:58 AM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: doug from upland

Durbin and all the other Democratic Partisans liberals always manage to take the position that most undermines American security.


15 posted on 06/18/2005 9:19:24 AM PDT by FreeRep
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To: doug from upland

Let's stop beating around the bush. The Democrats are a party of traitors, and no patriotic, honest, God-fearing American can proudly stand up and say, "I am a Democrat".


16 posted on 06/18/2005 9:19:44 AM PDT by Ikemeister
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To: doug from upland

I have a question for that Dick, Durbin.
Sir, are you a registered agent for a foreign power?
Please answer yes or no.


17 posted on 06/18/2005 9:29:52 AM PDT by TET1968
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To: DJ Taylor

He does not speak for me!!!!! I consider Durbine a big embarassment to Illinois and the nation. I DID NOT vote for this Daley machine cog when he ran in '04. I also harbor very ill feelings for the illinois republican party for the idiotic things they have done (Ex-Gov Ryan) and the stupid candidates they dredge up who are just weak imitations of their democritter opponents (except the last one). May Judy Topinka be deposed and rot in hell!


18 posted on 06/18/2005 9:31:13 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: doug from upland
DOWN WITH DURBIN THE TURBAN! LET HIM SPEAK NO MORE ON THE SENATE FLOOR!
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Although Censure is much too light a punishment!

20 posted on 06/18/2005 9:45:01 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: Ikemeister
MIDI - SOUND OF SILENCE

Hello patriots, my friends…I have some bad news once again
You won't believe what they've been doing...our great nation they've been screwing

There’s a lesson that we cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sound of treason

They would sell our country out…of that, you shouldn't have a doubt
They would be abdicating freedom…it’s in writing, you should read ‘em

There’s a lesson that we cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sound of treason

Hatred of the USA…they are displaying everyday
There's disdain for our Constitution…it is time for retribution

There’s a lesson…we…cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sound of treason

It is power they must gain...it is a plan that is insane
If one of them cannot be president...they hope that we fail, it's evident

With our defense, we cannot trust Democrats
We hear the sound of treason

They want rule by the U.N…these guys are very evil men
Their socialism's the ideal…that is the way the lefties feel

There’s a lesson that...we cannot trust Democrats…sewer rats
We hear the sound of treason

21 posted on 06/18/2005 10:06:57 AM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: doug from upland

This whole situation must really confuse Muslims. On the one hand, their fellow terrorists are being held by so-called "Nazi" guards, on the other, Muslims want to be Nazis. The self-loathing must inevitably lead to rampant homosexulization of the Muslim world, and thats not good for anyone....


22 posted on 06/18/2005 10:13:25 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: TonyRo76

Awww shucks! Thanks!


23 posted on 06/18/2005 10:23:27 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Michael Jackson is as innocent as O. J. Simpson.)
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To: evolved_rage
I doubt if the muslims are confused by this. In order to be confused you have to be trying to think something out. I haven't gotten the impression that thinking things out is something muslims do.

They have a mission to dominate the world. If they are met with active resistance it proves that the infidel is evil and must be destroyed. If they are met with passive resistance it proves that the infidel is inferior and deserves to be destroyed. If they are met with indifference or acceptance it proves that the infidel is stupid and might be useful in fighting resisters or as slaves.

24 posted on 06/18/2005 10:23:40 AM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents pro-choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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To: sgtbono2002; CitizenM; doug from upland; TonyRo76; nuke rocketeer; TET1968; Ikemeister; FreeRep; ...
Stop Dick Turbinladen Durbin before he aids our enemy again!
DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!!!Contact your REPS

Link to contact your senator
Link to contact your representative


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Might as well call them all AmeriJazerra.
Show them how much Gravitas Hugh Bris has. Vote with your remote! Shut down the Alphabet channels.

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Don't be a know nothing do nothing dumbocrap!




"Hitlery's legal stance on everything"

25 posted on 06/18/2005 10:25:23 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Man, You should have seen them, kickin Edgar Allen Poe! Koo Koo Kachoo)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
>> GITMO is an embarrassment because we should be using a take no prisoners approach to this war on cowardly terrorists.

How true.

Leaving illegal combatants with two in the turban on the battle field will in the end save lives of both indigenous populations and US military.

Also discourages new terrorist recruits and solves the problem of a sympathetic media's angst over their treatment.
26 posted on 06/18/2005 10:31:48 AM PDT by mmercier (walk away and don't look back)
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To: All
DURBIN'S LETTER OF APOLOGY
27 posted on 06/18/2005 10:45:25 AM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: DJ Taylor

>>>>>The most disgusting thing about Durbin's comments is that these Democrat politicians only say what their constituents want to hear. Does this mean that the good people of Illinois agree with him, or is he committing political suicide with this?<<<<<

A caller from IL to Rush's show on Thursday said the exact same thing.....the people of IL love it when Durbin does this.....go figure!


28 posted on 06/18/2005 10:48:34 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush; DJ Taylor

As an IL conservative who has never voted democrat, I am fed up with people making a blanket generalization about IL residents.

While these dem socialist/marxist skirt by in elections, you are wrong to condemn an entire state. Look into the political structure and see how the RINOs of this state (and others) would rather keep the liberal status quo instead of standing up to the corruption.

Some conservatives have enough hurdles to overcome without having other conservatives lump us with liberals when an election was lost.

I look forward to reading your suggestions on legally dismantling the extremely corrupt democratic system and appeasing RINOs in this and other states.


29 posted on 06/18/2005 11:07:11 AM PDT by Kitten1 (For those needing their Byrd fix, "Where's my adversary? I say, where's my worthy adversary?")
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To: mmercier

BUMP!


30 posted on 06/18/2005 11:14:41 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Progressivism : a brain eating bacteria, that eats, craps and departs, leaving only sh*t for brains.)
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To: doug from upland

31 posted on 06/18/2005 11:48:01 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: F.J. Mitchell
"...we should be using a take no prisoners approach to this war on cowardly terrorists.

LOl, careful, my friend. I said something along these same lines (kill all the bastards who even look middle eastern)and some weenie on this forum said he was reporting me for a violation. I don't know if this means I will get a detention and have to sit in the corner or what. Damn word police are everywhere.

32 posted on 06/18/2005 1:02:48 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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