See, it's the Republican's fault
Posted on 06/18/2005 7:04:56 PM PDT by NewMediaFan
June 18, 2005 — Republicans showered scorn upon Howard Dean when he said in recent weeks that the GOP is "pretty much a white Christian party," that many of its leaders "never made an honest living," and that a key Republican "is corrupt" and should "start serving his jail sentence."
Some Democrats publicly disavowed the remarks by Dean, their own party chairman.
But Dean did not back down.
"We need to be blunt and clear about the things that we're going to fight for," he told Iowa Democratic leaders Saturday, according to the Des Moines Register. "People have criticized me for being blunt. I do that on purpose. I am tired of lying down."
So is it a strategy?
If so, it's misguided, said analysts contacted by ABCNEWS.com — unless it's part of a Republican strategy.
"The Republicans are attacking Howard Dean more than Howard Dean is attacking Republicans — but the way the stories are being handled in the news media, everybody is assuming the opposite," said Anthony Pratkanis, co-author of "Age of Propaganda: The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion," and a psychology professor at the University of California-Santa Cruz.
'Republican Message Machine'
Experts on propaganda and political branding declared Republicans the winners of the dust-up over Dean's comments, calling Dean's attacks imprecise, poorly targeted and open to mischaracterization (Dean was forced to clarify several remarks once they were reported).
The result is little surprise to George Lakoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at the University of California-Berkeley, who said "the Republican message machine" has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management, repetition of phrases and other techniques. Democrats, he said, can't currently match the GOP's level of organization.
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See, it's the Republican's fault
the media and the DEMS -RATS are in love with Lakoff as if he was S.I. Hiyakawa. That goodness he has the brains of a liberal and their work ethic too. We will win elections forver as long as he is their media guru.
Well, as for "being blunt" - he already is, about as much as a stone ax. So, that part he got down pat, as well as Troglodyte vocabulary like "yeaaaarghhhhh!!!" Now if only someone taught him the wearing of a loincloth....
Oh, I get it. Howard Dean isn't a hateful leftist, he's just mischaracterized. Gag me.
Well yeah. What other conclusion is there?
Sheesh....I'm GLAD he hates "me." I don't think I could ever call him a friend....
Well yeah. What other conclusion is there?
(In my best Masshole mumbled speech)
"It's obvious the you"Ordinary Republicans" aren't Nuanced enough to understand what your superiors in the elite ruling class are saying!
JF'nK: "Looo-vey! The borgeoise are revolting!"
Tuh-REEEEE-zuh: "Yes, Lurch, they certainly are!"
"Oh, I get it. Howard Dean isn't a hateful leftist, he's just mischaracterized. Gag me."
Like Durbin's comments, the apology is always "Blame the messenger" for the supposed misinterpretation.
The "Republican Message Machine" really baffles and infuriates Dems but it isn't so mysterious. It's just a mouth connected to a brain.
Sheeeeesh! I already knew that! [/s]
Piffle!
They pay this guy? Is he like the "expert" who told McAuliffe in 2002 that it wasn't the lack of message but talk radio that made the Dems lose in 2002?
It's getting pathetic. I heard a Repub spokesman the other day state flat out he doesn't fear the Dems "because they have no ideas." No fear in letting out the secret, the Dems won't change.
I suspect to a degree MoveOn.Org type elitists with their identity politics concerns have taken over the advisory roles in Dem staffs. Certainly have in Senator Reid's.
Why am I not surprised that the MSM has no trouble finding experts on propaganda?
The result is little surprise to George Lakoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at the University of California-Berkeley, who said "the Republican message machine" has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management, repetition.
It really is not that hard. You can easily " stay on message" if you have core beliefs that most Americans agree with. You tend to not have "disiplined message management" when you can't espouse what you REALLY believe. Watching the Democrats try to stay on message is like watching a group of Amway reps try to tell you why it's not a pyramid scheme....
NICE
Well said, my old son.
In the world of objectivity, the likes and antics of a Howard Dean is considered by most balanced folks as someone who borders on being a complete moron. This would be comical if his rantings were nothing but political banter, but sadly they are not. I have for sometime been stating my sincere feelings that the "current" Democrat party is both a political party of treason and traitorship against the United States. Recent events now draw a more accurate picture for Americans to see, if they so wish. If the American people opt for the Democrat party to lead, America will surely disappear from the face of the earth, just as the Union would have collapsed if that Democrat fool General George McClellan had been elected President over Abe Lincoln.
It amazes me how similar the situation was in 1864 in relation to today. The majority of Americans in the Union were disgusted with the war effort, nothing was going right for old Abe, the sons of the Union were being killed by thousands, thousands more suffered in prisoner of war camps that make Gitmo look like the Waldorf Astoria and the Demcrats, as they are doing today, were ready to make peace at any price with the Confederate Union, including dismantling the USA.
But, Ole Abe Lincoln stuck to his guns, and you know what, the American people in their wisdom trusted him, and gave him their support in returning him to office to keep the Union safe and end slavery forever in these United
States.
I am not so sure the American people today have a good frame of what we are fighting for. In fact, I feel that we are already a lost nation. Let's face it, if some Republican made a speech in the US Senate as Dick Durbin did a few days ago, during the Second World War, the people would risen up and thrown this guy out of a window somewhere. But, no, a whole political party mocks our military, our war effort and enables the enemy to attack us both the military and civilians. How quickly the "common man" idiots in America have forgotten 911.
Until the American people rise up and totally destroy the "current" Democrat Party at the ballot box, we will, day by day, inch closer and closer to a human disaster and tragedy that will make 911 look like a Sunday church picnic. The clock is ticking America for you, and more certainly for the state of Israel. When will you wake up?
After all, college professors are staunch conservatives and are fair to Republicans.
Did I mention that Berkely professors are pro-American and work as Army recruiters in their spare time?
We have a disciplined machine? HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
Can the Dems handle the Truth?
We don't have a disciplined machine. If we did Buckley wouldn't be demonstrating deplorable weakness in his latest column. We wouldn't have Mavericks in the Party.
No, the TRUTH is that we have beliefs that trump politics. We have a conscience. When a Democrat or anyone states a message in defiance we instintively without order respond. We do not stick on any one angle. We attack from all sides, proof positive our beliefs are fleshed out. These beliefs happen to be deeply held by the majority in the Party. That isn't evidence of an ordered machine but shared philosophy.
We do have alternative sources to relate our beliefs. we had to develop them since we were SHUT OUT by the MSM. But they are not comparable to the MSM reach.
The real Truth is that we TELL the Truth. It has the authenticity their spin lacks. This is why it reaches further, embeds itself within.
What the dems fear is the grassroots. the American people relaying info back and forth bypassing their spin. That is what they cannot overcome.
Great rant...Preach on, brother.
I read a couple of Lakoff's books while in college, and he does have some interesting theories about language and human understanding and behavior.
A vastly simplified version is this: as bipeds, human beings operate in a vertical world where "up" is "good" (mobility, action, offensive), while "down" is "bad" (passive, vulnerable, defenseless). We share these beliefs and understandings because we share the common experience of living in a human body.
Thus we develop clusters of societal beliefs (literally, the "common sense") about what is "good" and "bad", e.g., "the stock market is down" is bad, while "things are looking up" is good.
Like all the soft sciences, Lakoff's theories are subject to abuse. You can make up all sorts of whacky assertions with nothing at all to back them up.
I always wonder why people like Lakoff and Chomsky (in their Rat political roles) don't go out and do analytic textual metrics to back up what they say. Could it be that they know the Rats are wrong? And that they are wrong in siding with them? And its demonstrably provable?
Possibly. Probably. Definitely.
You hit the nail on the head. The core Rat ideas are repellent to most Americans. The cannot state those ideas clearly, consistently, or openly because they'd be thrown out of office.
It's also why Rat talk radio doesn't work. You cannot sustain a pack of lies and deceptions for 3 or 4 continuous hours every day.
Instead, thanks to Little Dickie Turbin's statement, and then thanks to John Conyers' sham committee hearing (which was supposed to provide the push impeachment needed, leaving only the closing of the deal) complete with the freaking loons passing out "Death to Israel!" literature, at DNC Headquarters for God's sake, Dean and the Dims are right back where they've been the last few weeks, forced to explain their nutty remarks and to defend themselves in the face of all the outrage they've created.
I wonder what George Lakoff (rhymes with ...) has to say about this use of a "message"?
As others in this thread have related, they can name their beliefs, but they'd be pitched out of office by the American people. Because their core beliefs are repellent to the vast majority of Americans.
HAR!!!
This is the guy Rush calls, "George Lakoff, rhymes with....". He's the guy who the Democrats hired to hold seminars to teach them how to lie more effectively. No surprise that ABC went to Lakoff for a comment. With this "report" ABC is clearly in full spin-cycle on behalf of their Democrat Party. See, it's not that Dean and the Democrats are making outrageous comments - - it's just that those crafty and mean Republicans are making it look that way.
Noooooo! My eyes! My eyes!
Two statements by Ann Coulter come to mind reading your comments.
- "...if Americans knew what they (liberals) really believed, the public would boil them in oil."
- "This is not an ideology that can withstand several hours a day of caller scrutiny where their goofball notions can be shot down by any truck driver with a cell phone."
Dean spends most of his time with his foot in his mouth. He is even an embarassment to the Democraps!
Thanks libs for putting Dean in charge of your loser cult...he is a laugh a minute!
Works for me...
Thus we develop clusters of societal beliefs (literally, the "common sense") about what is "good" and "bad", e.g., "the stock market is down" is bad, while "things are looking up" is good.
Like all the soft sciences, Lakoff's theories are subject to abuse.
These aren't Lakoff's theories. They are a weak ripoff of Carlos Castaneda's far more encompassing explanation for human "agreement" about "reality" itself. Lakoff has apparently decided to make a career out of applying Castaneda's incredible work to the tiny sub-sets of language and opinion.
I knew it! Dean is actually Karl Rove in disguise!!
Howard Dean = The white Jesse Jackson
Dean did not back down.
"We need to be blunt..
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this explains a lot about the c"rats and their behavior of late, imo ;-)
Funny, I was thinking of Ann's refrain "Put it to a vote" as I was writing it.
90 percent of the Rat agenda would be nuked in any sizeable referendum.
Easy for you to say.
You'd probably need a book to prove it, so I won't ask "Why not?"
Dean is blunt and stunted.
Keep studying. As you continue to read and grow, your profound ignorance will blow away like a morning fog, I'm sure.
FRegards,
LH
Typical of ABC to accept the Dem lie used to excuse the Dean "honest living" comment.
Dean said:
You think people can work all day and then pick up their kids at child care or wherever and get home and still manage to sandwich in an eight-hour vote? Well Republicans, I guess can do that. Because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives.
Clearly Dean was talking about Republican voters, not the leaders. The Dems put out the lie afterwards that Dean was talking about the leaders, even though the statement is clearly aimed at Republican voters. The media, willing accomplices to the Dems, then accept the Dem lie that Dean was talking about GOP leaders, not GOP voters.
Of course, how could I have missed those guns held by Rove, Rush, Cheney, Dubya - all pointed at Howeird's head. Careless of me.
To suggest that the "study" of Castaneda's "Tales Of A Discredited Peyote Head," is superior to a study of serious linguistics researchers is ridiculous.
I won't bother you with any further rational thought.
Democrat politicians are self-dealing, self-serving, corrupt, unencumbered by exceptional intelligence or conscience, irrationally convinced of their own superiority, and destined to go the way of whigs and torries.
We Republicans can "stay on message" because our message is simple: Morality is good, family is central and America deserves our love, affection and defense.
The Democrats CAN'T stay "on message" because there is nothing they believe in. The Democrats are simply a collection of special interest groups with nothing to bind them together except their utter selfishness.
LOL, I've heard that kind of stuff many times from people who simply don't have any depth or the vision to see beyond the ends of their noses. Don't get it? Then just dismiss it. It must be easy being you. Hey, have a nice life!
FRegards,
LH
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