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Utah Boy Disappears From Camp (Same location another boy went missing last year)
Fox News ^ | Saturday, June 18, 2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/19/2005 5:41:47 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

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To: Rad_J

FYI

There was just a report on FOX news about Brennan.


51 posted on 06/20/2005 6:45:41 PM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org - WAKE UP AMERICA!)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; valleygal; WestCoastGal

Freeper Rad_J's 11 year old cousin is missing in Utah.

See post #28


52 posted on 06/20/2005 6:47:19 PM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org - WAKE UP AMERICA!)
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To: Velveeta

I just saw his family on Hannity.

There are so many good people in Utah, it looks like a lot of searchers helping to look for him.

I pray they find him and he is ok.


53 posted on 06/20/2005 7:16:17 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Jr: “Heh.. that’s about the coolest thing that can happen. Other than a win or a great pass ~L Dog)
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To: Rad_J; Velveeta; 4woodenboats; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Accountable One; Aeronaut; AKA Elena; ...
Prayer ping. See post 28 (Click the number.)

Please post your replies to Rad_J


Rad_J, My prayers go up for your cousin and your family. God's protection over your cousin!

Velveeta - thank you for the ping.

Blessings,
trussell

If you want on/off my prayer ping list, please let me know. All requests happily honored.

54 posted on 06/20/2005 7:25:24 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: Velveeta

Thank you, Vel! I will pray for them. It is heartbreaking to watch and hear this boy's mother being interviewed.


55 posted on 06/20/2005 7:30:11 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: jontrer
Most of the Boy Scout leaders are called by the Mormon Church to that postion. The Boy Scout program is part of the Mormon Chruch youth programs. Guess, kids complained but nothing was done.

Your guess is most likely wrong.

And, by the way, because of some unfortunate incidents the BSA and the LDS Church have developed strict guidelines for scout activities and background checks on scout leaders.

We had a case where I live. A scout master had been molesting boys for years. Not a peep from the boys. Until one day a boy was almost molested and he did the right thing and told someone. In a blink all the boys were identified and in counseling, the scoutmaster was turned over to law enforcement and he will probably die of old age in jail his sentence was so lengthy. We get new people in the scout program here who don't understand the strict rules and want them relaxed. I just have to take them aside and tell them about this guy and what happened and they get with the program really quick.

56 posted on 06/20/2005 7:31:35 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Rad_J

I join in urgent, earnest prayer for Brennan and his family!


58 posted on 06/20/2005 9:04:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: jontrer

Jeesh, where did you get that information??? I was an assistant camp director for the young women's program in the LDS church. Even though I had no formal camp training before being called, I had spent 8 years attending the same camp myself. Once I had the position I spent two nights a month in meetings with other leaders, learning about camping, fires, the area, the animals, the terrain, and the rules about the outdoors. We all were required to be certified in CPR and First Aid. There were very specific rules in place for the girls and for the leaders. Once a month during the year we would hold camp clinics for the young women (12-18 years of age.)

As far as the scoutmasters went, all of them were gungho lifelong scouters. They loved working with the young men and took every precaution they could. They took their responsibilities seriously, and learned all they could about the outdoors, and camping. In Utah, it is a big thing to do the 50 mile hike in the Unitas. The boys spend years preparing for this hike. They are given very specific instructions and rules.

You shouldn't take isolated incidents and use them to smear the LDS church's Boy Scout program.


60 posted on 06/20/2005 10:50:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Rad_J

Thank you for your post. I have been following the story about Brennan and praying for you all.


63 posted on 06/21/2005 4:17:30 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Utah Girl
You shouldn't take isolated incidents and use them to smear the LDS church's Boy Scout program.

Thank you.

64 posted on 06/21/2005 4:28:58 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Rad_J

Prayers continuing for your cousin and his family.


66 posted on 06/21/2005 4:58:13 AM PDT by shattered
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To: Rad_J
THIS IS MY COUSIN THAT IS MISSING

My prayers are with you for the quick and safe return of your cousin. His parents must be going nuts.

67 posted on 06/21/2005 5:15:40 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Please check out my new & improved profile page!)
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To: Rad_J
#28...Please excuse/forgive some of the posts on this thread.

Most people are more sensitive...

..I saw the mom/dad on TV last night, and it was heartbreaking.

Please know they have my prayers.

68 posted on 06/21/2005 5:22:05 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Rad_J
I am so sorry.

Couldn't help but notice what amazing parents Brennan has. Wonderful people.

If it is an abductor, please notice how the two missing boys resemble each other. I did.

Hang in there.

sw

69 posted on 06/21/2005 5:23:54 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (What happens in Aruba..stays in Aruba))
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To: Erik Latranyi

That was my first thought. I would imagine that large groups make reservations with park rangers or department to make sure they get a camping spot, so someone in the department would have time to plan something sinister. My sister lives in Park City and is just sick about it. She also says that people out there seem to be really naive about some things.


70 posted on 06/21/2005 5:57:50 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.)
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To: B4Ranch

They never thought he was abducted, perhaps they have now changed their minds. They believe that he got lost and died of exposure. A child that size is a little big for a mountain lion attack, and if he were attacked, there would be some sign of it most likely.


71 posted on 06/21/2005 6:01:00 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426618/posts


72 posted on 06/21/2005 6:03:35 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: cricket

That was a different case with a 3 year old boy, I believe, from California.


73 posted on 06/21/2005 6:08:51 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.)
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To: jontrer
I think you have an agenda on this issue.

As a parent of four I can tell you that not one parent among us all is perfect. We all make mistakes.

I used this story to emphasize with my two Scouts the reason a buddy system is so important.

74 posted on 06/21/2005 6:25:11 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: WestCoastGal

Praying they find him quickly, storms rolling in:

>>>the search could be hampered beginning this afternoon when thunderstorms are expected to move in and they are expected to stay over the next few days.<<<
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/21/national/main703165.shtml


76 posted on 06/21/2005 7:27:15 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org - WAKE UP AMERICA!)
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To: trussell

Thanks for pinging the prayer warriors!


77 posted on 06/21/2005 7:28:10 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org - WAKE UP AMERICA!)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Oh, GMO...I lost it completely when I saw the mother's interview.


78 posted on 06/21/2005 7:29:06 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org - WAKE UP AMERICA!)
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To: Rad_J

MORE INFO:

Thanks for the prayers and support. It is very heartwarming.

My brother and I went up to search. It is 50 miles from Kamas, Utah. About half way there is an area with 2 feet of snow along the road with frozen lakes. Near the scout camp there is no visible snow. We turned off the highway onto the dirt road that goes to the camp. It is about 5 miles on the dirt road to the camp. There is no gate or booth or signs for that matter. The camp is huge. The news said there were 1500 people at the camp on Friday, staff, adult leaders, and scouts. The area where the scout got lost last year was 15 miles away and I believe it was just a small group that hiked in to a mountain lake to camp and fish. The scout camp is in a narrow valley. The road in goes all the way to the south end of the camp and then heads back through the camp to the north end where Brennen was lost. The east, south, and west sides are surrounded by steep slopes that go up for about 2 miles. There are plenty of supplies, food, and water for searchers up there. There are two rivers. The smaller one flows into the larger bear river a few hundred feet behind the climbing wall. The smaller one is piped under the camp.

The area is mapped out for searching with a two mile ring and a four mile ring. Then those rings are mapped with square grids that are 500 yards by 500 yards. They divide searchers into groups of 25 that form a line. The two end people have GPS units and 5 people have radios. We hiked straight up hill for two miles to our first grid. After finding the coordinates, it takes 3.5 sweeps to search a grid. It took our most of the day to do 2 grids.

There was a forest fire there last year and everything above the valley floor is burned. Very little brush. Mostly just black poles with few branches and no green. There are patches of unburned trees. There are no cliffs or boulders in the area. The pine trees that aren't burned are pretty thin and you can see the trunk all the way up so they aren't bushy and we were instructed to look up in the trees also. It is easy to see the camp once you start up the slope. Once you get over the ridge it is very hard to keep any sense of direction. There is plenty of water in the area, little pools and marshy areas and streams.

The entire day we found a bicycle type water bottle, an old broken glass jug that had been there a long time, and a six inch piece of foil.

If I was to rank the possiblities I would say that it is most likely that he fell in the river. Second kidnapped and third that he wandered off and got lost.


79 posted on 06/21/2005 11:27:07 AM PDT by Rad_J
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To: Rad_J; All

FOX just reported that something was found and there are ambulances there. It may be good news.


80 posted on 06/21/2005 11:52:09 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Rad_J

Rad!!!!

BREAKING NEWS ON FOX!!!


81 posted on 06/21/2005 11:54:58 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org - WAKE UP AMERICA!)
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To: Rad_J

Just read the good news on another thread and saw on FOX.... WOOOHOOOOOO! I am so glad he's alive! Our prayers were heard!!!!!!! Please tell your family we are rejoicing with them that he has been found. I feel like throwing a party. Who's coming?


82 posted on 06/21/2005 11:55:28 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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To: I'm ALL Right!; Rad_J

He's alive!

Thank you, Sweet Jesus!!!!!


83 posted on 06/21/2005 11:57:28 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org - WAKE UP AMERICA!)
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To: Rad_J

Praise the Lord!!!! Prayers have been answered!


84 posted on 06/21/2005 11:58:45 AM PDT by Ros42
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To: jontrer
gee, I served in young womens and in RS to, we did not get training like that.

And you are inferring what? The stake I lived in did this on a regular basis. I know not all wards and stakes go to that same extent, but you made it sound like we're just thrown in there without any training and that's simply not true.

Tell me, though, do you still belong to the LDS church?

85 posted on 06/21/2005 12:09:36 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: jontrer

Perhaps your intents are not to cast aspersions upon leaders of the Boy Scouts in the LDS Church, but that is what is happening. Our highest priority is the safety of the kids who go on Boy Scout hikes through church sponsored activities. Many leaders of the LDS church are on the area Boy Scout councils and keep close track of requirements. I would be interested in the source of your claim that the Boy Scouts allow the LDS church to 'cut corners.'


86 posted on 06/21/2005 12:14:22 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: jontrer

I'm not going to argue with you either. It looks as if we have very different experiences with working with the Boy Scouts and Young Women.

I am very happy that Brennan was found alive.


88 posted on 06/21/2005 12:45:33 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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If I was to rank the possiblities I would say that it is most likely that he fell in the river. Second kidnapped and third that he wandered off and got lost.

Congratulations to your entire family that your 3rd option turned out to be the 1st option. This is wonderful news and blessings to all of you.

89 posted on 06/21/2005 1:53:56 PM PDT by alisasny (We get 4 more years, you get OBAMA...: ))
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To: Velveeta

Thank You, Lord Jesus, for delivering this boy to his family, safe and sound! To You, Lord, we give all thanks.


90 posted on 06/21/2005 2:03:07 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: All

Here is a good topographical map of the area. The stream going south is the area where I searched yesterday. He was last seen where the two rivers meet in the middle of the map. He went west and was found a mile and a half south of Lily Lake.

http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=13&Z=12&X=324&Y=2826&W=3&qs=%7cKamas%7cUtah%7c

Thanks for your prayers and support.


91 posted on 06/21/2005 2:27:11 PM PDT by Rad_J
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To: Velveeta

My pleasure Velveeta. Thank you for letting me know about the thread!


92 posted on 06/21/2005 5:37:42 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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