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Republicans again seeking to split 9th Circuit (PLEASE DO!)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | June 19, 2005 | unattributed

Posted on 06/19/2005 8:18:57 AM PDT by SandRat

LOS ANGELES - Congressional Republicans are hoping yet again to split the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers nine Western states and has issued some rulings to the dismay of conservatives.

The Republicans say a breakup is the best way to reduce the circuit's caseload.

Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., plans this week to introduce a bill to split the circuit into three parts. Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, has already introduced legislation this year that would create at least one, if not two, new appellate courts for the area, which includes Arizona.

"The situation is continuing to get worse for the 9th Circuit," Ensign said in a telephone interview on Thursday. "It has by far the most cases per jurist, and it's just too large and too unwieldy."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who has opposed efforts to split the circuit, said the real issue is the number of judges handling cases. "If there is a way to reduce the caseload of the 9th Circuit's judges in a fair and honest manner," she said in a statement, "I am open to considerations."

The idea of splitting the 9th Circuit is hardly new; efforts date back decades. But it packs greater significance following recent criticism from some conservatives of decisions by federal judges.

Democrats who have opposed a split may be cautious about voicing strong opposition after the recent skirmish over judicial filibusters. And with Republican majorities in the Senate and House, which passed a version of the bill last year, supporters say they consider the split inevitable.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; circuit; circus; court; fiendstein; finswine; frankenswine; leftcoast; liberal; republicans
Remember for Sen FineSwine keeping the 9th Intact gives her power through them to affect more states than any other Sen by making sure that LEFT LEANING JUDGES who think left like her get on the court.
1 posted on 06/19/2005 8:18:57 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat

Disband the Ninth Circuit.


2 posted on 06/19/2005 8:19:47 AM PDT by demlosers (Allegra: Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home.)
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To: SandRat

Seeing is believing. Get too it already, pubbies!


3 posted on 06/19/2005 8:22:47 AM PDT by pissant
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To: SandRat

The 9th Circuit is just the right size for the states on the West coast. There is no reason that some idiots in San Francisco should be deciding cases for Montana and Alaska.


4 posted on 06/19/2005 8:27:32 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: pissant

Your absolutely right -- Talk is cheap, put or we replace them with people who have a backbone, is their anyone in the party with a Backbone!!??


5 posted on 06/19/2005 8:30:00 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: SandRat

If they actually pull this off, it would be provide some redemption for the confirmation fiascos. What's really be fun is packing the new circuits with all ne conservative judges. Liberals will be screaming bloody murder.


6 posted on 06/19/2005 8:31:44 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: SandRat
I know the 9th Circus is ultra-left, but are there any judges on it with a Conservative viewpoint?
7 posted on 06/19/2005 8:32:47 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

few and far between.


8 posted on 06/19/2005 8:33:48 AM PDT by pissant
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To: theDentist

Yes, there are a few.


9 posted on 06/19/2005 8:36:34 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: demlosers

Congress would be well within their powers to disband the 9th Circus.


10 posted on 06/19/2005 8:36:53 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: theDentist

I'm sure there are some, as there are more than 20 Judges on the 9th Circus.

We only have ourselves to blame for the radical Judiciary in this country...just look at all the duds appointed by GOP Presidents.


11 posted on 06/19/2005 8:38:24 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: July 4th

Nor should they be deciding for Arizona. Leave them with Hawaii and Sin FreakSicko and that's it.


12 posted on 06/19/2005 8:41:49 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Dog Gone
The Courts as shown overlayed on a map. Not sure how that relates to judges per circuit as I've not counted them.


13 posted on 06/19/2005 8:43:40 AM PDT by deport (Save a horse...... ride a cowgirl)
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To: deport
Politics aside, the 9th Circuit needs to be divided and at least a 12th Circuit created. Just compare the population centers of the 9th and 10th circuits.

Dividing the circuit won't magically change its political leanings, but it will increase the efficiency of the federal courts.

14 posted on 06/19/2005 8:50:01 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SandRat

Guam needs its own exclusive circuit.
I suggest that the 9th be relieved
of superfluous cases, so that it can
direct its attention solely to Guam.


15 posted on 06/19/2005 8:55:06 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: greasepaint

Hey the Guamanian people are friendly! What are you trying to do start a WAR!


16 posted on 06/19/2005 9:08:54 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: theDentist
Yes, several. The circuit doesn't need to be divided for judicial case load reasons, that an obfuscation and deception play. The Courts among the circuits do not decide cases differently according to the state or the transient mood of the populace in any given state within the circuit.

.Example, the 5th Circuit court is equally as far to the far right among all of the states within its jurisdiction as the 9th is to the left in its. Some of the Fifth's decisions are astoundingly outcome oriented and the court, in all but a couple of 3-judge panels, will reach 'way out to reverse a case in which the lower court -with or without a jury, has found for an injuried plaintiff, a consumer class or a small business when the appellant is a large energy company, bank, financial/securities institution, or a politically powerful commercial interest. The skew of the 5th Circuit is so clear that lawyers over in that part of the country try to avoid bringiing a meritorious case in U.S. distruct court within that circuit because they know that, in the overwhelming majority of instances, the 5th Circuit will find some cockamamie rationale' to favor big business, industry, commercially powerful interests or, in criminal cases, the government.

It is noticeably strange that the same voices that attack the 9th Circuit for ignoring the role of an appellate court and the ends of justice are strikingly silent about the 5th.

By contrast, the 11th Circuit, my circuit, is a straight-down-the-middle court, as are the remaining circuits. We lawyers know from the outset in the 11th and the other circuits around the country that some 3-judge panels of the court are more oreiented to one side of the political spectrum than the other. But, that being recognized, we nonetheless believe, in fact we know, that we'll get a fair hearing, the three panel judges will have studied our briefs, the record from the district court, listened carefully at oral argument, and render a cognizably fair decision and opinion justifying the decision. Those who scream about the 9th should also be just as agitated about the 5th for those who live and litigate in Louisana and Texas.

Of course lawyers and litigants want to prevail in their cases, that's not the crucial issue. Every lawyer I know and most litigants, with proper counseling, simply expect, and have every right to, a fair hearing by judges not outcome oriented or driven by ideology in the decision making process. No one expects any individual judge to leave his own societal or political orientation in the parking garage, but we have a right to demand that such extraeous factors are not included in his decision calculus. Regretably, that is always the case and we have the results we see today in some specific areas.

17 posted on 06/19/2005 9:13:28 AM PDT by middie
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To: SandRat; Calpernia; Domestic Church; sandyeggo; Salvation; NYer; St. Johann Tetzel; ...
This is all fine and good. But another dimension should consider Terrorist Assaults and disruption of the Supreme Court. We need a plan to convene a Supreme Court outside of D.C. if there is no D.C. left and the Supremes are all dead.

We also need a plan if travel is limited and some form a regional juridical appeal is helpful during a time of crisis. We have no plans because we can't envision such troubles.

In general the Circuit Courts are very, very important -- and can become more important. But also in the event of a terrorist strike we could lose a Circuit Court and then what?

If Atlanta is taken out in a nuclear terrorist action, then what happens to the Circuit Court (not to mention the hub for air transportation, telecommunications, national morale etc.)?????????... Just what are our plans? Someone should have some for the area of the Judiciary with regard to terrorist actions and warfare on our own territory.

...So the point of this bright and cheerful meditation is that it is fine well and good to appoint federal judges or alter the number of Circuit Courts, but we also should be appointing federal alternates to take authority under certain limited conditions given the current disastrous situation with our borders et cetera et cetera et cetera...

18 posted on 06/19/2005 9:16:46 AM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: middie
The Fifth Circuit has the finest judge in the country -- who should be on the Supreme Court EDITH HOLLAN JONES.
19 posted on 06/19/2005 9:19:06 AM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: SandRat

And after you split the Ninth Circuit district, give jurisdiction over one square square mile of Death Valley to the old one. Population 0.

Problem solved.


20 posted on 06/19/2005 9:22:42 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: July 4th; SandRat
The 9th Circuit is just the right size for the state s on the West coast. ...of Kalifornia (whose state nickname should be "State of Fruits and Nuts")
21 posted on 06/19/2005 9:23:06 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: skinkinthegrass
Personally I believe that it's just perfect for the City and only the city of Sin FreakSicko
22 posted on 06/19/2005 9:27:42 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
"..let the frolicking and debauch begin.." :P
23 posted on 06/19/2005 9:31:53 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: SandRat

The 9th Circuit is disproportionate in its size. All the other circuits have about 12 judges, whereas the 9th circuit has about twice that many. It should be split.

A Commission during the 1990s said that the 9th Circuit shuld be split into two divisions, but maintained as a Circuit, with some "floating" judges between the two divisions to assure uniformity. This is a wacky idea compared to simply splitting the 9th Circuit. The Commission's idea would have essentially created another, mezzanine level of appeals within one of the Circuits, and leading to confusion. There is simply no need to go there.

As it is, the 9th Circuit is also the nation's most liberal Circuit and is routinely overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court. This difference will only widen as Bush's nominees for the more-or-less balanced Circuits, e.g., the 11th, are confirmed, making all the Circuits, except the for 9th, conservative Circuits.

The only problem I see with splitting the 9th Circuit is the "blue card" of the Democratic Senators from California. They, for example, blue carded Christopher Cox when he was nominated to the 9th Circuit (Bush subsequently nominated him for the SEC).

The extension of Republican hegemony to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals within which is California is going to require some imagination. Perhaps we can leave California to be a one state Circuit, and fill it with recess-appointed judges (until a Democrat is elected President and they elect at least 50 Senators).


24 posted on 06/19/2005 9:41:31 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: SandRat; Dog Gone
The Ninth Circuit should be split, but Idaho and Montana could also be rolled into the Tenth as they are demographically very similar to the rest of that Circuit and both have relatively low populations.
25 posted on 06/19/2005 10:02:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Siobhan

Perhaps, I have no knowledge of Judge Jones. I'll have one of our clerks pull some of her opinions Monday.


26 posted on 06/19/2005 10:08:36 AM PDT by middie
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To: Redmen4ever

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The 9th's Judge STEPHEN REINHARDT =

-Leader of the Pack
-Friend of the CLINTONS
-No "UNDER GOD" Pledge of Allegence in Schools


The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.

.


27 posted on 06/19/2005 10:36:54 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: SandRat
"which covers nine Western states and has issued some rulings to the dismay of conservatives rational people."
28 posted on 06/19/2005 11:45:20 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: deport

thanks for that pic. I've been curious about that for some time.


29 posted on 06/19/2005 12:15:02 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/canadahealthcare.htm)
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To: middie
Sounds like you got zeroed in the 5th circuit a time or two. xin loi. Go find more ambulances to chase. Maybe Edwards needs another associate, cry on his cotillion.
32 posted on 06/19/2005 2:37:24 PM PDT by gatorbait
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To: libs_kma

rational is a correct term that doe not apply to the 9th.


33 posted on 06/19/2005 3:08:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: gatorbait
An irrational attack on the messenger indicates a dearth of logic or facts on the part of the aggressor. The fact is that in the three appeals I've briefed and argued before the 5th in the past 18 months my client has prevailed. Outcomes and the distinctive orientation of the court and their strict ideological bent have no relation to my personal results. Most competent, scholarly lawyers can distinguish between their personal effectiveness and the overarching lack of a given court of the collective ability or willingness to set aside that ideology and decide cases solely on the applicable law.

Oh, in addition, I haven't handled a personal injury case since I was an intern in a pro bono publico clinic as a third-year student. Your knee-jerk animosity is not worthy of a response.

34 posted on 06/19/2005 3:49:33 PM PDT by middie
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To: SandRat
Remember for Sen FineSwine keeping the 9th Intact gives her power through them to affect more states than any other Sen by making sure that LEFT LEANING JUDGES who think left like her get on the court.

Moreover, the 9th Circuit is the official Court of Enviro-wacko Causes. Splitting the circuit would mean that Californians will still get the rulings they want, while the other states in the Circuit can be returned to judicial sanity.

35 posted on 06/19/2005 3:57:01 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
Enviro-wacko Causes = Watermelon's: Green on the outside and Red on the inside.
36 posted on 06/19/2005 4:07:06 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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