Posted on 06/20/2005 3:27:04 PM PDT by blam
Scientists are taking a new look at an old and controversial idea: that ancient Polynesians sailed to Southern California a millennium before Christopher Columbus landed on the East Coast. Key new evidence comes from two directions. The first involves revised carbon-dating of an ancient ceremonial headdress used by Southern California's Chumash Indians. The second involves research by two California scientists who suggest that a Chumash word for "sewn-plank canoe" is derived from a Polynesian word for the wood used to construct the same boat.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
I thought that ancient gerbil loving gay pirates first discovered Kalifornia?
Interesting article - thanks for posting it.
It would explain a lot.
There is no question about it...records show the Portuguese treated them to a cod fish dinner when they made it to shore.
To me this makes sense. The only other ancient sea farers that I have ever read about that showed the sand of the Polynesians were, perhaps, the Vikings.
This is an interesting article.
One of those Chumash Indians hollered "Surf's Up, Dude!" and the rest is history.
Nope... can't be... the mexicans were here first... La Raza Baby
ML/NJ
That would explain why there are no Hawaiians in Hawaii. They're all back on the beach on Tahiti.
Ummm..
You're questioning whether the Polynesians made it to HAWAII?
That's not disputed at all. Every single scientist agrees the Hawaiians are Polynesians; genetic evidence shows they are and the languange and archaelogy confirm this obvious conclusion.
The Polynesians made some incredible, long voyages without knowing where they were going in settling most of the places where they ended up.
The Chumash I've met certainly look Polynesian to me. Some of the women are real knockouts so long as they control their weight.
You'd be amazed. Ancient mariners throughout the world used basic celestial navigation and the effects of distant islands on wave patterns and the like to get around. Sometimes they'd have to spiral around a bit but eventually they'd find land. The best were the Greeks, the Vikings and of course, the Polynesians.
How many Polynesian canoes would have to leave their islands and miss Hawaii completely for even one to reach one of the Hawaiian Islands (which they supposedly didn't know existed)?
58.5 miles per hour.
Actually if they "miss Hawaii completely" they would NEVER
reach one of the Hawaiian Islands.
Doncha know that California discovered by Muslims!
AHA! I KNEW you were a whacko Californian in disguise!
I'm getting tired of these. What we gotta really know is whether or not Californians ever sailed to California.
You figured that out huh?
Well, you see, the objective is not to establish what happened when (it's irrelevant). The main objective is to make the real accomplisment of white European males insignificant, since he was not the first. Never mind that all the others were inconsequential.
What is the value of cultural and anthropological curiosity? For me pretty much zero. For people without a life, it is the cat's meow.
The only cultural fallout that I care about is the resulting posture, for instance, by American indians to claim cultural ownership of everything because they happened to be here when the European arrived.
To them I say, "Bite me".
So, how did Kennewick Man get here?
He was a white guy.
I wonder if this nut case thought it unimportant to elaborate on his absurd statements:
What arabic writing?
What caves in California?
I never knew that the word caliph was ever spelled "calif". I will have to visit the original Encyclopedia Britanica, and the OED. We may have to extensively revise a few of our classic books of learning.
Wait.
Never mind.
Do you think my ancestors were unable to do this because we aren't European? I've heard this statement tossed about for most of my life. No one questions that Europeans were capable of sailing around the world, but when it comes to non-Europeans there certainly many who cannot believe that "savages" were smart enough to do it.
Depressing to think anyone actually believes that Muslims- discovering- California garbage!
Textbook on Arabs removes blunder
By George Archibald
THE WASHINGTON TIMES (SNIP)
An Indian tribe has forced distributors of an Arab studies guide for U.S. teachers to remove an inaccurate passage that says Muslim explorers preceded Christopher Columbus to North America and became Algonquin chiefs.
Peter DiGangi, director of Canada's Algonquin Nation Secretariat in Quebec, called claims in the book, the "Arab World Studies Notebook," "preposterous" and "outlandish," saying nothing in the tribe's written or oral history support them.
(none)
The 540-page book says the Muslim explorers married into the Algonquin tribe, resulting in 17th-century tribal chiefs named Abdul-Rahim and Abdallah Ibn Malik.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040416-120208-4455r.htm
American Muslim History (SNIP)
A Chronological Observation
By Fareed H. Numan (December 1992)
(Edited by Ishaq Zahid for islam101.com)
Unquestionably, Muslims have made an impact on the evolution of American society. Historically Muslims have made major contribution, e.g. humanities, the sciences, and art. They explored North America 300 years before the so-called "discovery" of the New World by Christopher Columbus. They used the Mississippi river as their access route to and from the continent's interior. Here are a few glimpses of Muslim life in American History:
1178
A Chinese document know as the Sung Document records the voyage of Muslim sailors to a land know as Mu-Lan-Pi (America). Mention of this document is contained in the publication, the Khotan Amiers, 1933.
1310 Abu Bakari (Abu Bakar), a Muslim king of the Malian Empire, spearheads a series of sea voyages to the New World.
1312 African Muslims (Mandinga) arrive in the Gulf o Mexico for exploration of the American interior using the Mississippi River as their access route. These Muslim explorers were from Mali and other parts of West Africa.
1513 Pri Ries completes his first world map, including the American, after research maps from all over the world. The practicality and artistry of his map surpassed any from his time or before.
1530 African slaves arrive in America. During the slave trade, more than 10 million Africans were uprooted from their homes and brought to American shores. Many of these slaves were from the Fulas, Fula Jallon, Fula Toro, and Massiona as well as other areas of West Africa. These areas were governed from their capital, "Timbuctu." These slaves were sent to Mexico, Cuba, and South America. More than 30 percent of these 10 million slaves were Muslim. They became the backbone of the American economy.
http://www.islam101.com/history/muslim_us_hist.html
The Muslims Discovered Australia (SNIP)
Sheikh Al-Hilali also claims that Afghan Muslims preceded Captain Cook in his discovery of Australia:(11) "Australia is an old-new continent. The Europeans issued a false birth certificate for it when the British seafarer Captain James Cook reached it. However, Australia already had the most ancient race of men on the face of the earth - the Aborigine people... They continue to live their primitive lives to this very day.
"But when you become acquainted with their traditions among their tribes, you find that they have customs such as circumcision, marriage ceremonies, respect for tribal elders, and burial of the dead - all customs that show that they were connected to ancient Islamic culture before the Europeans set foot in Australia.
The Muslims Discovered Australia
Sheikh Al-Hilali also claims that Afghan Muslims preceded Captain Cook in his discovery of Australia:(11) "Australia is an old-new continent. The Europeans issued a false birth certificate for it when the British seafarer Captain James Cook reached it. However, Australia already had the most ancient race of men on the face of the earth - the Aborigine people... They continue to live their primitive lives to this very day.
"But when you become acquainted with their traditions among their tribes, you find that they have customs such as circumcision, marriage ceremonies, respect for tribal elders, and burial of the dead - all customs that show that they were connected to ancient Islamic culture before the Europeans set foot in Australia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12226
AM I BEGINNING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE?
Yeah, can't have some white guy's bones show up, that illustrate an American presence 9200 years ago.
That'd screw up several politically correct agendas.
Yes he predates all these pikers by thousands of years and anyone looking at him can clearly see he was Irish. Now I was a casino and ½ priced tobacco.
All they need is just a little historical revisionism for enough Muslims to believe, so they can justify "reclaiming" (ie, conquering) "Muslim land" from us filthy kuffar, and "revert" everything back to the good 'ole days of the darul Islam..
Note this article too:
“Not only were there African Muslims who were here in America as explorers before Christopher Columbus, but a third of the African slaves who were brought here during the slave trade were Muslims,”
was = want stupid Irish boy
Maybe the Portugese taught them how to navigate too.
The only things not discovered by Islamics were invented by Al Gore. And he "don't need no steenkin truth either."
heheh... see #31 Fred.
And then ya better remove the "evidence" of all those camels in Australia before they "claim" your homeland back too..
The European christians weren't invited.
Ya, all of the Irish guys I know have a nose like that.....
Are you sure? According to some on this thread, it was impossible. I guess my ancestors were too stupid to do it. I had to laugh at the guy that pointed out that they would have had to take Polynesian women with them. He must assume that all civilizations had physically weak women. That has never been something Polynesians have ever had to worry about.
Hey- now I get it. When Ward Churchill claims to be a "native American", he means "Muslim".
The Polynesian connection is interesting in another way because it brings to mind Thor Heyerdahl's theories about Polynesia being populated by migration from the West, from British Columbia and Peru. The Kon Tiki expedition showed it was possible. So were the Chumash and the Polynesians working from a common earlier boat technology source? The linguistic evidence is intriguing.
They got to SE Asia 40-70,000 years ago and they are not related to African Pygmies (no more than you are).
Silly, the map was on the Nazca Plain, easily visible from the air.
According to history passed down the old way, my ancestors came from Southeast Asia. Native Americans were said to have come from the same region. They went by land while my ancestors by sea.
Kennewick Man is Ainu. Some of his kind are still alive in Japan today.
This has nothing to do with the topic, but your dogs are absolutely adorable. Hehe!!
LOL... according to Muslims, islam is the "din al fitrah" (the original religion or the "primordial religion") so way back pre-history, we all started off by being Muslims! Whooda thunk it?
I'm going to go look for the cave paintings of my great great (x10) grandma in burka now, so I may not be back for a while...
Thor Heyerdahl was proved completely wrong through DNA evidence; The Polynesians are from South Asia orginally and don't have anything in common genetically with any of the South American Indians.
We don't have the foggiest idea what color Kennewick Man's skin was.
Scientists do not have an especially good record when all agree on some untestable theory. (My degrees are in Math - Physics and Math BTW. It's not like I haven't had a scientific education.) I do not deny that there is some reasonable basis for the conclusion, but I still think it is absurd to think that anyone could set out in a canoe for someplace thousands of ocean miles away. Tell me, do you think the women just went along for the ride, or do you think the men came back for them?
ML/NJ
I guess we're having trouble with the English language. If ten set out and die at sea, or someplace else (missing it completely), and one makes it to Hawaii, then the answer to my question would be eleven. Maybe you could help me find a simpler way to express this?
ML/NJ
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