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Muslim in America
Dallas Morning News ^ | June 18, 2005 | Reihan Salam

Posted on 06/20/2005 5:13:43 PM PDT by Smartaleck

Suspicions about Islam after Sept. 11 have given rise to resentment, fear and violence in Europe. But in the U.S., which has welcomed Muslims with its freedoms and opportunities, a more tolerant, open Islam is emerging – and setting an example for the rest of the world, says writer REIHAN SALAM.

Because the majority of Muslim Americans emigrated from repressive countries, and because they've been welcomed with open arms, there is a pervasive sense of gratitude for American freedoms and a belief that any political grievances ought to be addressed at the ballot box. Law enforcement is seen not as an enemy by Muslim Americans, but as an ally. Suffice it to say, the United States has been very fortunate in this regard.

Consider the fate of Muslim communities in Europe, where a poisonous cocktail of ghettoization, multicultural ideology and economic stagnation has radicalized broad swaths of the population. Strangely enough, the Sept. 11 terror attacks have had far more impact on daily life in Europe than here at home. Fear is palpable, particularly in Holland, once considered a model of tolerance and now a tinderbox. There the hate campaign has taken violent form, reaching a crescendo in the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh.

Judging by the escalating threats, it seems that Mr. Van Gogh's murder won't be the last of it. Native-born European Islamists have seized the initiative, condemning the moral bankruptcy of secular Europe in fiery language. Though France hasn't yet seen assassinations on a grand scale, Muslim youths have been implicated in near-constant attacks against French Jews, ranging from petty harassment and intimidation to fire bombings and worse.

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1 posted on 06/20/2005 5:13:43 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

there is a huge difference between Isalm in America and Europe.


1. American Muslims are better educated than European one and wealthier

2. No Muslim ghettos exist in the US

3. American is an upwardly mobile societ, europe isnt

this doesnt mean muslims arent a threat, but jihadism is more likely in europe than the USA


2 posted on 06/20/2005 5:15:39 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: Smartaleck

Or maybe they just might import slavery and honor killings, among other bad habits, with them.

Never mind, they already have.


3 posted on 06/20/2005 5:16:55 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Smartaleck

islam must be wiped off the face of the Earth.


4 posted on 06/20/2005 5:17:20 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: atlanta67

Hope you are right, but I don't think so.


5 posted on 06/20/2005 5:18:38 PM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: Smartaleck
Because the majority of Muslim Americans emigrated from repressive countries, and because they've been welcomed with open arms, there is a pervasive sense of gratitude for American freedoms and a belief that any political grievances ought to be addressed at the ballot box.

What a crock!. Not a word of condemnation from the Muslim mainstream in america about what is done in the name of Islam around the world. The protest in DC garnered 50 attendees.

The truth of the matter is that muslims in america silenly wish for the entire world to be muslim, by force if needed.

(Note: This story was posted earlier today.)

6 posted on 06/20/2005 5:18:42 PM PDT by konaice
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To: atlanta67
No Muslim ghettos exist in the US

Jersey City Heights (NJ) Bay Ridge, Brooklyn (NY) and Dearborn (MI) all have "Muslim Ghettos," but they are a small portion of larger neighborhoods/towns. Its been my experience that Arabs and Pakistanis (the two Muslim immigrant groups I have lived around) tend to settle in older areas no longer popular with young, white, native-born families, usually settling alongside Asians, Latinos, Carribeans and other immigrant groups.

7 posted on 06/20/2005 5:19:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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To: Clemenza

sorry...go visit Marselle, Malmo, Paris and youll see a real muslim ghetto


8 posted on 06/20/2005 5:20:42 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: Smartaleck

Argggh!
Anyone have a log in?


9 posted on 06/20/2005 5:21:40 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: atlanta67

I was in the northern suburbs of Paris last week, I know what a Muslim ghetto looks like. You can see a smaller version of St. Denis in Brooklyn, along 5th avenue from 60th-75th.


10 posted on 06/20/2005 5:21:55 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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To: Clemenza

they arent even remotly similar.

Do you know in Malmo, Sweden the fire department wont enter the muslim ghetto for fear of violence?? Is this true anywhere in the USA?


11 posted on 06/20/2005 5:23:11 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: konaice

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33479

WAR ON TERROR
Muslim-rights voice
indicted in jihad plot
Ex-CAIR rep with group tied to al-Qaida,
attorney also serves as lawyer for Hamas

Posted: July 9, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A former spokesman for leading Islamic lobby groups opposed to U.S. counterterrorism efforts was among 11 men indicted for conspiring to train on American soil for a "violent jihad."

Randall Todd "Ismail" Royer – who little more than five weeks ago was communications director for a fund-raising effort sponsored by the American Muslim Council – allegedly trained with Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Kashmiri terrorist group with reported ties to al-Qaida.

Royer, 30, of Falls Church, Va., also was on the national staff of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a group that considers itself a leading civil rights voice for American Muslims.

Most recently, he was a spokesman for the National Liberty Fund, which is defending Sami al-Arian, the Florida professor in federal custody as an alleged leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, according to the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C.

The National Liberty Fund says it is combating the Justice Department's "opportunistic and politically motivated prosecutions."

The federal indictment, issued June 27, contends Royer traveled to Pakistan, engaged in propaganda work for Lashkar-e-Taiba and "fired at Indian positions in Kashmir." The charges also allege in September 2001, he "possessed in his automobile an AK-47-style rifle and 219 rounds of ammunition."

"A legal support structure for the terrorist front network in America is emerging," the Center for Security Policy asserts, noting Royer's defense lawyer, Stanley Cohen, also is an attorney for the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas.

CAIR is a spin-off of the Islamic Association For Palestine, identified as a "front group" for Hamas, according to Steve Pomerantz, former chief of the FBI's counterterrorism section.

Another ex-FBI counterterrorism chief, Oliver "Buck" Revell, has called the Islamic Association For Palestine "a front organization for Hamas that engages in propaganda for Islamic militants."

In addition, Cohen's law partner, Lynne Stewart, is awaiting trial on federal charges that she served as a courier for Omar Abdel Rahman, the "blind sheik" convicted of masterminding the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York.

The center points out the Muslim groups for which Royer worked have pushed to repeal a law allowing terrorism-hunters to use classified information in the process of prosecuting and deporting foreign terror suspects.

Allegations denied

Royer characterized the allegations against him as baseless during an interview with the Washington Post. He dismissed the discovery of pistols and rifles inside the homes of some group members as insignificant.

"Ooooh, gosh, they have weapons," Royer said. "I really resent the idea that a Muslim with a gun – he's a threat. A Jew with a gun – he's not a threat."

In a brief description of Royer on Islam Online, he was identified as a communications specialist for CAIR, where he had worked in "research and civil rights since 1997."

The site said he formerly wrote investigative pieces on "anti-Muslim organizations" for an online newssite called iviews.com, where he served as Washington bureau chief. Islam Online said he wrote a story designated one of the "Most Censored Press Releases of 1999" by Timothy McSweeney's, a literary journal.

One of CAIR's chief targets of criticism is Daniel Pipes, director of the Philadelphia-based think tank Middle East Forum,

In a weblog Royer ran, dated Sept. 17, 2002, he called Pipes a "pop bigot" and responded to the scholar's New York Post article about militant Islamic influence on American campuses with the following comment: "[Pipes] has served up another steaming shovelful of fertilizer. What a joy it is to read this guy. His stuff requires no real effort to deconstruct, no deliberate propaganda analysis to realize how he intends to deceive the reader."

Royer is the second CAIR figure to be arrested this year. Bassem Khafagi was the group's director of community relations before his arrest in January. Also, Siraj Wahhaj, a member of CAIR's advisory board, was named as one of the "unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators" in the attempt to blow up New York City monuments in the early 1990s.

'Danger to community'?

Yesterday, a federal judge said she is inclined to free Royer while he awaits his November trial but delayed her decision to learn more about the case, the Associated Press reported.

Prosecutors argue Royer is a danger to the community because of connections between Lashkar and al-Qaida and should be held until his trial. Last week, however, a magistrate judge ordered his release, prompting prosecutors to appeal the decision yesterday to U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Kromberg pointed out the spiritual leader of the Virginia network, Ali al-Timimi, called the United States the greatest enemy of Islam.

Royer's lawyer Cohen insists no evidence exists to show Royer had any hostile intent toward the United States.

He argues Royer's writings and statements as spokesman for various Islamic groups denounce al-Qaida and violence against the United States.

"The government keeps talking about al-Qaida," Cohen said, according to the AP. "They've been looking at [Royer] for at least a year and there's not a connection there."

Cohen acknowledged Royer fought in Bosnia with Muslim groups in the mid-1990s, but argued it was not illegal to do so.

Eight of the 11 men charged have been arrested. All have pleaded innocent.

Related stories:

Americans charged in 'holy-war' plot


University fires 'terror professor'

Should Muslim Quran be USA's top authority?

Group forces censure for 'Islamophobia'

Muslims try to quash Bush nominee

Christian relief plan riles Muslims

Muslims try to bar terror expert

American Islamic lobby gets out the vote


12 posted on 06/20/2005 5:23:46 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: konaice

Who do you think the mainstream is? Is Jesse Jackson representative of the black mainstream? Was Bill Clinton a representative of the white mainstream? Is the head of the AFL-CIO the representative of the average American worker?

There are a fair number of Muslims here and abroad who do not want to kill us. I call them Islam's silent majority.


13 posted on 06/20/2005 5:25:46 PM PDT by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: atlanta67

The NYPD and FDNY are cut from tougher cloth than their counterparts in Sweden. And as I said, "Little Arabia" along Fifth in Brooklyn is small. NYC's megaghettos are instead filled with the descendants of two ethnic groups who arrived to fill the PJs after WWII and never left.


14 posted on 06/20/2005 5:25:49 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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To: Smartaleck
  

15 posted on 06/20/2005 5:26:39 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Smartaleck

16 posted on 06/20/2005 5:26:59 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: Clemenza

no, it is that America is cut from a tougher cloth than is europe.


Muslims know what they can and cant get away with.


17 posted on 06/20/2005 5:27:07 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: atlanta67

Like living here for years and blowing up our cities?


18 posted on 06/20/2005 5:27:43 PM PDT by G32
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To: Lorianne
Anyone have a log in?

Try this.

19 posted on 06/20/2005 5:27:48 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: Voice in your head
There are a fair number of Muslims here and abroad who do not want to kill us. I call them Islam's silent majority.

Silent is exactly my point. Not a word of condemnation from ANYONE in the Muslim community.

20 posted on 06/20/2005 5:30:53 PM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice

EUROPE would get even less. Not a very strong position.


21 posted on 06/20/2005 5:30:57 PM PDT by ncountylee
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To: SheLion

This maps does not inculde in terrorists' infestation of Lodi, CA.


22 posted on 06/20/2005 5:31:32 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: konaice

Not publicly. I did not support the 9/11 attacks, but I did not speak out publicly against them. What does that say of my demographic?


23 posted on 06/20/2005 5:33:58 PM PDT by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Clemenza
Another Muslim ghetto would be the Southwest Suburbans of Cook County, IL. Chicago Metro Towns like Burbank and Bridgeview were once blue collar white Catholic communities. Now they look like the Gaza Strip. There are restaurants and grocery stores with signs in Arabic. Plus, the shopping malls are full of women (mostly the older generation) dressed in hi jab - the Muslim veil.

A few weeks ago, I was driving around in that neighborhood with a friend who got back from Iraq. After observing the cultural flavor of Bridgeview, IL, he joked, "It feels like I haven't left Iraq."
24 posted on 06/20/2005 5:34:00 PM PDT by Kuksool (Dick Durbin is not my Senator)
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To: Lorianne
Anyone have a log in?

http://bugmenot.com/ has the logins for most media sites.

25 posted on 06/20/2005 5:34:35 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: atlanta67
No Muslim ghettos exist in the US

What is Dearborn?

26 posted on 06/20/2005 5:35:21 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: Voice in your head
I call them Islam's silent majority.

LOL!

Yeah, the guy pumping gas into the car that will blow up and kill you, saying "Good luck, Hakim"... that's YOUR buddy!

27 posted on 06/20/2005 5:36:12 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: SheLion
I cannot believe that those terror cells exist in Texas.  I would have believed the Texans would have loaded up their six shooters and showed those muzzies what a real Jihad looks like.

Learn something new every day.

28 posted on 06/20/2005 5:37:11 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Kuksool
once blue collar white Catholic communities

Such communities have been dying for 40 years, if not more. They are the perfect environment for "new" immigrants to settle in, as the children of those "blue collar Catholics" move up in the world and move to Wheaton, Naperville, etc.

29 posted on 06/20/2005 5:38:32 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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To: Alouette
You been to Dearborn?  It's not exactly Grosse Point Farms, but it is FAR from a ghetto.
30 posted on 06/20/2005 5:38:42 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

We're workin' on that.


31 posted on 06/20/2005 5:39:50 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: Leapfrog

LOL!


32 posted on 06/20/2005 5:40:25 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Kuksool

BTW: The Arabs of Bridgeview and Burbank moved from Marquette Park. I had a Palestinean co-worker who grew up near 69th street in Marquette Park and then moved to Burbank with the rest of his family.


33 posted on 06/20/2005 5:40:27 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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To: softwarecreator; Alouette

East Dearborn bordering Detroit can be considered a Muslim Ghetto. "Ghetto" btw can mean anyplace where a racial or religious group congregates in large numbers, not necessarily housing projects, pawn shops, etc.


34 posted on 06/20/2005 5:42:00 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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To: atlanta67

Pathetic humans


35 posted on 06/20/2005 5:43:59 PM PDT by squirt-gun
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To: Voice in your head
.. There are a fair number of Muslims here and abroad who do not want to kill us. I call them Islam's silent majority. ..

Could muslims really be trusted ? maybe, hovever lying in islam, especially lying to the infidels are permitted (taqqiya). If there was the so called moderate muslims, the only difference between them and the jihadists is that the jihadists wanted the power now, and the so called moderate muslims will wait until they gain more leverage then take over.

Robert Spencer wrote a good article on Frontpagemag.com date November 6, 2003, here is:

Oh Moderate Muslims, Where Art Thou?


36 posted on 06/20/2005 5:44:25 PM PDT by Random Nonsense
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To: atlanta67
I know Malmo well....Have Taken the hovercraft over from Denmark many times....

Malmo is now a cesspool....Too bad.

37 posted on 06/20/2005 5:46:43 PM PDT by squirt-gun
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To: softwarecreator
You been to Dearborn? It's not exactly Grosse Point Farms, but it is FAR from a ghetto.

I used to work at Ford. Years before that, I worked at the GM facility in southwest Detroit.

A "ghetto" is not the same as a "slum."

38 posted on 06/20/2005 5:47:41 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: konaice
"The truth of the matter is that Muslims in America silently wish for the entire world to be Muslim, by force if needed."

Right on the mark! The so called "moderate Muslims" are the ones that metaphorically speaking detonate their bombs by remote control. I have yet to hear one criticize the Jihadists without a gigantic "BUT" in their statement.

39 posted on 06/20/2005 5:49:03 PM PDT by Desron13
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To: atlanta67
1. American Muslims are better educated than European one and wealthier 2. No Muslim ghettos exist in the US...

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How many of the hijackers were uneducated ghetto kids?

40 posted on 06/20/2005 5:49:09 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: Alouette
Come on, calling Dearborn a 'ghetto' is quite a stretch, though isn't it?

Don't get me wrong I could care less about Dearborn, I just wouldn't refer ro it as a ghetto.

41 posted on 06/20/2005 5:49:20 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: SheLion

Why isn't the "Fruit of Islam" mentioned?


42 posted on 06/20/2005 5:49:25 PM PDT by squirt-gun
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To: wtc911

The hijackers came from suadi arabia not america, even if they were living here illegally.

Iraq today is Paris/Brussles/Amersterdam 25 years from now.

youre missing the point, i am not saying that poverty is a cause of terrorism, it isnt. i am saying the muslim ghettos of europe are far more likely to spawn an intifada than muslim communities in the USA


43 posted on 06/20/2005 5:52:10 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: Jeff Gordon
This maps does not inculde in terrorists' infestation of Lodi, CA.

Steve Emerson just updated this map, and the cells that aren't on this map popped up after this map was published.  I am sure there are many more that haven't been uncovered yet.

People tell me all the time that this Mosque isn't on it and that Mosque isn't on it.  So, another map needs to be updated.  They are really multiplying fast.

44 posted on 06/20/2005 5:52:15 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: softwarecreator
I cannot believe that those terror cells exist in Texas.  I would have believed the Texans would have loaded up their six shooters and showed those muzzies what a real Jihad looks like.

I hear ya.  Thousands of them come across the border every night.  And what better place to find refuge then in a Mosque?

45 posted on 06/20/2005 5:53:27 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Leapfrog

It did not work but thank you anyway. :)


46 posted on 06/20/2005 5:54:04 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Jeff Gordon

Thanks, I tried them but none of theirs would work.


47 posted on 06/20/2005 5:54:48 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Clemenza
"Ghetto" btw can mean anyplace where a racial or religious group congregates in large numbers, not necessarily housing projects, pawn shops, etc.

__________________________________________

By your definition Great Neck is a Jewish Ghetto and Manhasset is an Irish Ghetto. Of course that's not the case. An ethnic or economic or religious specific neighborhood is a ghetto only if outside forces create the isolation through some form of pressure, like with the Warsaw Ghetto.

48 posted on 06/20/2005 5:54:48 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: squirt-gun
Why isn't the "Fruit of Islam" mentioned?

What is that?  That is new to me I think.

49 posted on 06/20/2005 5:54:56 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: wtc911
A friend of mine once referred to Lawrence, NY as a "Gilded Ghetto." He grew up and still lives there.

Its all relative. A friend of mine raised in Palos Verdes, CA would definately refer to say Bay Ridge, Sunset Park, and Flushing as being "ghetto," while others would not go that far.

50 posted on 06/20/2005 5:58:13 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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