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John F. Kerry cautious on probing `Downing Street Memo' (Flip-flop count continues to rise)
Boston Herald ^ | 6/20/05 | Noelle Straub

Posted on 06/20/2005 5:19:13 PM PDT by Libloather

Kerry cautious on probing `Downing Street Memo'
By Noelle Straub
Monday, June 20, 2005 - Updated: 10:36 AM EST

WASHINGTON - Walking a tightrope on a politically charged issue, Sen. John F. Kerry vowed weeks ago to raise the controversial ``Downing Street Memo'' as an issue in Washington, but has since publicly held his tongue on the matter.

Instead, Kerry has been enlisting other senators to sign onto a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee seeking answers about the memo, aides said.

The memo contained minutes of a 2002 meeting in which British officials told Prime Minister Tony Blair they believed the Bush administration had already decided on military action against Iraq and ``fixed'' intelligence to fit the policy.

The Downing Street memo generated a firestorm in Britain last month and has gained increasing attention in the United States. President Bush and Blair have denied allegations that the memo proves intelligence was misrepresented.

``When I go back (to Washington) on Monday, I am going to raise the issue,'' Kerry told the New Bedford Standard-Times about the memo on June 2.

``I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home,'' he added. ``And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that.''

But Kerry has not been vocal about the issue since then, raising it neither in a floor speech nor in the media. Kerry spokesman David Wade insisted the administration needs to answer questions about the memo.

``It's not too much for Americans to expect a thorough explanation of the Downing Street memo,'' he said. ``The administration and the Washington Republicans who control Congress scoff at the idea of congressional oversight, and insult Americans by brushing off even the most basic questions about pre-war intelligence and planning for the aftermath of war.''


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Just a few weeks ago - on June 4th -

John Kerry to call for impeachment of George Bush

John Kerry announced Thursday that he intends to present Congress with The Downing Street Memo, reported last month by the London Times. The memo purports to include minutes from a July 2002 meeting with Tony Blair, in which Blair allegedly said that President Bush's administration "fixed" intelligence on Iraq in order to justify the Iraqi war.

The Downing Street Memo is the leaked secret British document that details the minutes of a 2002 meeting between top-level British and American government officials. The memo states that George Bush "was determined" to attack Iraq long before going to Congress with the matter, and that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

So far neither government has disputed the accuracy of the memo.

The memo caused an uproar in Britain and made a significant impact in the British national elections, but has received little attention in American news.

The Boston Globe published an article by Ralph Nader, Tuesday, in which Nader also called for President Bush's impeachment. The story is being carried on Michael Moore's website and the Democratic Underground.

Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush's impeachment to Congress, on Monday.

Kerry said of the memo: "When I go back [to Washington] on Monday, I am going to raise the issue. I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."

He questioned Americans' understanding of the war and the idea that criticism equals disloyalty, saying, "Do you think that Americans if they really understood it would feel that way knowing that on Election Day, 77 percent of Americans who voted for Bush believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11? Is there a way for this to break through, ever?"

House Representative John Conyers has written to the President regarding the memo:

"...a debate has raged in the United States over the last year and one half about whether the obviously flawed intelligence that falsely stated that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction was a mere 'failure' or the result of intentional manipulation to reach foreordained conclusions supporting the case for war. The memo appears to close the case on that issue stating that in the United States the intelligence and facts were being 'fixed' around the decision to go to war."

There is a growing movement on the internet and in Congress for a "Resolution of Inquiry" into issues surrounding the planning and execution of the Iraq war, especially in regard to the Administration's handling of intelligence.

John Dean, a key Watergate figure, wrote in a June 2003 column for a legal website, that, "To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked... Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause."

However, in practical terms impeachment in the U.S. Senate requires a 2/3 majority for conviction, which is unlikely given that 55 out of 100 Senators are Republican.

When asked about the Downing Street Memo on May 23, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "If anyone wants to know how the intelligence was used by the administration, all they have to do is go back and look at all the public comments over the course of the lead-up to the war in Iraq, and that's all very public information. Everybody who was there could see how we used that intelligence.

"And in terms of the intelligence, it was wrong, and we are taking steps to correct that and make sure that in the future we have the best possible intelligence, because it's critical in this post-September 11th age, that the executive branch has the best intelligence possible."

1 posted on 06/20/2005 5:19:17 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

"Now you listen to me. I did...not...have...sexual... relations... with ...that woman...Terayzuh Heinz-Kerry."
2 posted on 06/20/2005 5:22:01 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If we're The Religious Right, does that make them The Godless Left? Discuss.)
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To: Libloather
The reporter that broke the story manually retyped the orginals before destorying them is what I heard on Rush today.
3 posted on 06/20/2005 5:22:09 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

I voted against the Downing Memo hearings before I voted for them.


4 posted on 06/20/2005 5:23:25 PM PDT by Swanks
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To: Libloather

Kerry was for impeachment, but then he voted against it.


5 posted on 06/20/2005 5:23:54 PM PDT by NewMediaFan (Fake but accurate)
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To: Texas Eagle

ROTFLOL!! I love it .. I needed some cheering up!!


6 posted on 06/20/2005 5:24:53 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: TexasCajun

This piece of walking excrement needs to be flushed.


7 posted on 06/20/2005 5:25:19 PM PDT by pipecorp (PC just plain monicas!)
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To: TexasCajun
The reporter that broke the story manually retyped the orginals before destorying them is what I heard on Rush today.

So how do we know that it's not just made-up BS? I mean, it's not like the MSM hasn't done it before.

(steely)

8 posted on 06/20/2005 5:27:13 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: CyberAnt
Heh, heh. Glad to be of service.

I find it next to impossible to take these people seriously.

9 posted on 06/20/2005 5:27:23 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If we're The Religious Right, does that make them The Godless Left? Discuss.)
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To: Libloather

They found out it was the british version of rathergate.

The Coward ran for the Hills. The sore loser of last fall is not going out there alone with Rathergate II. he wants back up.


10 posted on 06/20/2005 5:28:06 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: TexasCajun

Actually (according to him) he got the originals, took copies of them returned the originals. He then had them retyped to simulate the original copies and then destroyed the original copies.

Now if that isn't a twisted tale I have never heard one. He supposedly even got a certain typewriter to match how they were originally done.

Man no wonder everyone is backing off, I guess they got several days of play out of it. Certainly that is more than it deserved, even if they are real they don't say crap.


11 posted on 06/20/2005 5:30:21 PM PDT by federal
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To: Libloather

John Kerry. What a freakin' idiot.

12 posted on 06/20/2005 5:30:38 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: Libloather

The DUmmies are furious with spineless Kerry. Again.


13 posted on 06/20/2005 5:31:57 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Libloather

Same old John Kerry, what else should we expect.


14 posted on 06/20/2005 5:32:00 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: Libloather
sKerry proves once again why I, on a daily basis, say a prayer of thanks to the Good Lord above that this traitorous piece of crap is not POTUS.

If you need a reason to pray, it doesn't get much better than this.

15 posted on 06/20/2005 5:32:09 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: upchuck

Amen to that..........


16 posted on 06/20/2005 5:33:50 PM PDT by federal
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To: Libloather
The "fixing of intelligence" is only relevant to those who lack an understanding of British vernacular.

There's a reason the only part the British media jumped all over was the early decision to go to war, and it wasn't for a fondness for Blair or Bush.
17 posted on 06/20/2005 5:36:09 PM PDT by RWR8189 (I Will Sit on My Hands in 2008 Instead of Voting for McCain)(No Money for the NRSC)
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To: federal
Actually (according to him) he got the originals, took copies of them returned the originals. He then had them retyped to simulate the original copies and then destroyed the original copies.

Now if that isn't a twisted tale I have never heard one. He supposedly even got a certain typewriter to match how they were originally done.

Man no wonder everyone is backing off, I guess they got several days of play out of it. Certainly that is more than it deserved, even if they are real they don't say crap.

Now if you still believe that the typed forgeries....er copies are still the unvarnished truth and true copies of the unverified copies of the copies of the supposed originals --- I have a 40 room mansion right on the Florida beach for sale at bargain prices. You'll have to wait for the tide to go out to see 39 of the rooms though.

18 posted on 06/20/2005 5:42:08 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
Now if you still believe that the typed forgeries....er copies are still the unvarnished truth and true copies of the unverified copies

Probably a Jason Blair. Made up the memo and story to some degree. Perhaps pre-election anti-Blair motivation not unlike the CBS memo here. When pressed about it he had to make up "proof" of its existence, thereby the bizarre story.

19 posted on 06/20/2005 5:52:47 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Libloather

You mean the memo with the paragraph they keep ignoring that says the Iraqis had WMDs and had used them?


20 posted on 06/20/2005 5:57:31 PM PDT by mak5
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To: Steely Tom

At this point, the DSMemos have zero credibility. It doesn't matter what they say because the reporter admits they can't be authenticated. May as well be a comic book.


21 posted on 06/20/2005 6:15:48 PM PDT by jess35
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To: dead

link?


22 posted on 06/20/2005 6:25:25 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Libloather

He was in favor of raising it as an issue before he was opposed to raising it as an issue.


23 posted on 06/20/2005 6:28:21 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: TexasCajun

yeah and aliens ate his dog


24 posted on 06/20/2005 6:30:06 PM PDT by colonialhk (sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: Texas Eagle

"When I look at you from this angle,
I can see my own eyebrows."

25 posted on 06/20/2005 6:36:00 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Libloather
Now they just type what they want and admit to destroying the so called originals. I guess the Kink-o's and unnamed source thingy didn't work so well. I'm waiting for the retyped Constitution, Declaration Of Independence, etc. to suddenly appear on Dan Rather's door step wrapped in a plain brown wrapper.
26 posted on 06/20/2005 6:36:05 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: Pikamax
link?

How do you feel about Kerry now? (DUh)

Skip the poll and go straight to the comments. Have yourself a blast.

27 posted on 06/20/2005 6:40:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Libloather

They can't be proven.
When the real story of how they came about is revealed at the top of every newshour, every logical American will connect Kerry to Rathergate and he can kiss his chance at '08 good-bye.


28 posted on 06/20/2005 6:42:26 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: savedbygrace
"When I look at you from this angle, I can see my own eyebrows"


Which is my greatest accomplishment...besides my plan....I do have a plan....somewhere here....I have a plan...
29 posted on 06/20/2005 6:43:38 PM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: Texas Eagle; SIDENET; dead

He always looks as though "cautious probing" is the best he can do.


30 posted on 06/20/2005 7:11:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Libloather

31 posted on 06/20/2005 7:15:49 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: BenLurkin

cautious probing



Ewwwwwwwww


32 posted on 06/20/2005 7:17:22 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: TexasCajun

WHY would someone retype a memo and throw the original away???? BIG question....makes no sense if original was for real.


33 posted on 06/20/2005 7:30:45 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: NY Attitude; Texas Eagle
Same old John Kerry, what else should we expect.

He even has his old face and hair back.

34 posted on 06/20/2005 9:15:47 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik

and he probably has not dumped Terayzuh Heinz-Kerry.


35 posted on 06/20/2005 9:19:43 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: jess35

the reporter admits they can't be authenticated.
Well there you go end of story as far as I'm concerned..Not worth the paper it's written on for starters.That wouldn't even hold up in a small claims court . Secondly , the memos , as presented , really dont sat anything . Again , end of story in my eyes.


36 posted on 06/20/2005 9:20:48 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: Libloather

I guess Kerry used up all his sick and vacation days so now he's back to work.


37 posted on 06/20/2005 9:21:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Lancey Howard

VERY interesting poll on DU ..hahahhahaah even the freaks there see him for what he really is LOOSER !


38 posted on 06/20/2005 9:24:27 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: Libloather
The memo contained minutes of a 2002 meeting...

No, the memo contains what some reporter named Michael Smith CLAIMS are minutes from the meeting. He also claims to have destroyed the original in order to "protect" his source, which is very fishy. Then we have a Reuters photo that calls to question the whole "Downing Street Memo" story.
39 posted on 06/21/2005 5:36:27 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Libloather
Kerry is on a sinking ship once again

Key To Downing Street Fakes? (Can I Be Famous Like Buckhead?)
40 posted on 06/21/2005 5:40:14 AM PDT by boxerblues
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