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Iranian Alert - June 20, 2005 - The coming coup
Regime Change Iran ^ | 6.20.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 06/20/2005 7:38:05 PM PDT by DoctorZIn

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Editor: Myself A weblog on Iran, technology and pop culture, by Hossein Derakhshan

The coming coup

Iranian blogger, Hoder.com:

Things are really getting nasty here. After Karrubi's unbelievably blunt letter to the Supreme Leader, everything is suddenly changing. All non-fundamentalists are rallying behind Rafsanjani. Many are talking about a possible coup by Sepah and Basij after Friday's second round results.

It's also rumoured (now confirmed ) that Eqbal and Aftab, pro-reform newspapers, were seizes in the printing house last night after they published full text of the letter.

Karrubi for the first time has publically challenged the Supreme Leader and has accused his son of paving the way for an unexpectedly high vote for Ahmadinejad.

As for my own self, I've been advised to stay in Tehran for a couple of more days. But I have to attend a conference in London on Wednesday and if I can't get there by then, it'll be a huge risk staying in Iran.

Stay tuned.
Hoder is perhaps the most famous Iranian blogger. He is an Iranian journalist whose newspaper was shutdown by the regime. He moved to Canada, began blogging and has been a supporter of the reformist movement. He is currently in Iran to witness the vote. He provides a glimpse into the reformist mind in Iran.

He is also reported:
According to ISNA , Saeed Mortazavi, chief prosecutor of Tehran, has released a warning for people who use SMS to spread news, views, and jokes for or against candidates, usually against the fundamentalist candidate, "Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad":

Those who don't comply "will be prosecuted and their phones will be seized," the note reads.

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1 posted on 06/20/2005 7:38:12 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 06/20/2005 7:39:47 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Let us all hope that the mullahs will be cast out of office1


3 posted on 06/20/2005 7:42:53 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: DoctorZIn

Hmmm, very interesting...


4 posted on 06/20/2005 7:53:59 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Proud infidel since 1970.)
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To: sheik yerbouty
We can all thank Jimmy Carter for the power levels the the mullahs have attained. 26 years in power must have given them a very wide comfort zone and with that a heightened degree of arrogance. For the Iranians seeking freedom, I hope that the mullahs can be unseated quickly and with a minimum amount of bloodshed on the freedom seekers part.
6 posted on 06/20/2005 8:00:25 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: NY Attitude

Iran and zimbabwe are Jimmy Carters two major achievements in life.


7 posted on 06/20/2005 8:19:43 PM PDT by tahotdog
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To: tahotdog

You are correct. But he also was responsible for the Panama Canal fiasco.


8 posted on 06/20/2005 8:21:53 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: tahotdog
You left out his third major achievement-- North Korea
9 posted on 06/20/2005 9:03:28 PM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: tahotdog
Oh, and high interest rates, general malaise, gas lines, and Billy Beer. He should be ashamed to even show his face. He was and is a disgrace.
10 posted on 06/20/2005 9:07:22 PM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: DoctorZIn

When I came across this article it brought to mind a posting a saw on DU just a few minutes ago. One of their oh so superior (in their own mind) people had comment he said came from a FR posting regarding Iran. Of course, he did not provide a link. He just put down what he CLAIMED to have seen here. But the more interesting thing is the first response he got to it where a DUmmiesaid the following:

"I use to troll a little bit at FR. They have always been messed up, but they are much worse now. Here are the reasons (1) they kicked out anybody who was half intelligent, therefore had some sort of independent thought. (2) If anything is anti-Democrat, anti-progressive, it is right. (3) Most of these people live in bunkers and homeschool their kids, so they pollute them even more, and only read out of the King James. Very sad. In some cases I think they need child services to monitor these people. One time, and I wish I still had the evidenced one guy was advocating beating your wives. Only a few sane people denounced him. They have probably all since been banned." (ollie79)

The thing this guy does not realize is that with regards to #1 in his post, DU is worse than any other site on the web. Disagree with any standard dem position and you are banned in moments. Unlike here. I have disagreed with many people here on many issues. I have not been banned.

Unlike the DUmmie I WILL post a link so anyone who wishes can click and see how they are reagrded by these "progressive" people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3907775

In my view there is no hope for these people. They are lost in their own hypocrisy.


11 posted on 06/20/2005 9:19:12 PM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: DoctorZIn

When I came across this article it brought to mind a posting a saw on DU just a few minutes ago. One of their oh so superior (in their own mind) people had comment he said came from a FR posting regarding Iran. Of course, he did not provide a link. He just put down what he CLAIMED to have seen here. But the more interesting thing is the first response he got to it where a DUmmiesaid the following:

"I use to troll a little bit at FR. They have always been messed up, but they are much worse now. Here are the reasons (1) they kicked out anybody who was half intelligent, therefore had some sort of independent thought. (2) If anything is anti-Democrat, anti-progressive, it is right. (3) Most of these people live in bunkers and homeschool their kids, so they pollute them even more, and only read out of the King James. Very sad. In some cases I think they need child services to monitor these people. One time, and I wish I still had the evidenced one guy was advocating beating your wives. Only a few sane people denounced him. They have probably all since been banned." (ollie79)

The thing this guy does not realize is that with regards to #1 in his post, DU is worse than any other site on the web. Disagree with any standard dem position and you are banned in moments. Unlike here. I have disagreed with many people here on many issues. I have not been banned.

Unlike the DUmmie I WILL post a link so anyone who wishes can click and see how they are reagrded by these "progressive" people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3907775

In my view there is no hope for these people. They are lost in their own hypocrisy.


12 posted on 06/20/2005 9:20:06 PM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: commonasdirt

sorry for the double posting....completely accidental. Coffee jitter finger


13 posted on 06/20/2005 9:21:13 PM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: DoctorZIn
Forgive me but I have become confused.
1) Are the Reformist Movement and the Student Movement one and the same, or at least on the same side?
2) What candidate are the Students/Reformist's supporting?
3) Iran va Jahan laments the fact that although the vote rigging allegations in the first round of the elections in Iran are the most blatant, the world media is silent.

Most everything I have heard regarding the elections is that they were indeed fraudulent. I will admit I receive most of my news from the internet. Sec. of State Rice even made a statement to that effect today. Are the Iranians not receiving this news?

14 posted on 06/20/2005 10:04:15 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: DoctorZIn

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/33742bde-e1ff-11d9-bf18-00000e2511c8.html

Tehran's mayor has Rafsanjani on defensive
By Gareth Smyth in Tehran
Published: June 21 2005 03:00 | Last updated: June 21 2005 03:00

Since he became mayor of Tehran two years ago, Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad has not taken a holiday. He drives an old Peugeot, prays regularly and lives a simple life.

On Friday Mr Ahmadi-Nejad, 49, takes on a leading figure of Iran's Islamic republic, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, 71, in a run-off ballot to decide the next president.

Mr Rafsanjani's camp says the choice is between a pragmatist who believes in dialogue with the west and private enterprise, and a hard-line xenophobe who dislikes foreign investment.

Mr Ahmadi-Nejad's strategy is to portray himself as a "Man of the People" - a sharp contrast to the life style Mr Rafsanjani and his family are alleged to lead. Mr Ahmadi-Nejad's supporters say he is a "fundamentalist", a man true to the egalitarianism of Iran's the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

The Rafsanjani camp is taking no chances: for the election's second round, the campaign has jettisoned mixed parties and loud street music, which they used to attract younger voters but which alienated many in conservative Iran.

Mr Ahmadi-Nejad's supporters have rebutted the charge that their patron opposes the private sector, stressing Tehran council's contracts with Chinese companies for the new metro, its $200m (EUR243m, £133m) international loan to renovate old Tehran, and its talks with European companies on projects such as waste management.

They emphasise that Mr Ahmadi-Nejad's sober attitude to running city hall is a model for running Iran. The atmosphere is focused - and clearly Islamic. There is calligraphy on the walls and women staff wear chadors, the head-to-toe covering.

Mehdi Chamran, the council's chairman, says the mayor's main achievements are "scientific management" of the city's first development plan for 37 years and his "links with the people".

With the revolution, Mr Ahmadi-Nejad joined the Basij, an Islamic militia, and worked as an engineer in the 1980-88 war with Iraq. His administrative talents led to posts in the west and north-west until, in the late 1990s he became governor-general of the northern province of Ardabil. Like many, he was frustrated at what he saw as weakening commitment to the revolution's ideals.

In the run-up to Tehran's 2003 municipal elections, a group of fundamentalists formed Abadgaran ('Developers'), a list to challenge a council paralysed by in-fighting and corruption allegations. The poll ended a run of reformist victories in Iran. In 2004 fundamentalists nationwide took a similar approach to Abadgaran and won control of parliament after the disqualification of many reformist candidates.


15 posted on 06/20/2005 11:25:45 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=8852385&type=entertainmentNews

Rafsanjani has best jokes in Iran election text war
Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:19 AM ET

By Christian Oliver

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Beep Beep. "Vote for Ahmadinejad who supports the poor." Beep Beep. "Joining together and voting for Rafsanjani is better than handing the country over to a fool."

Text messaging, often brazen or rude, has become an integral part of Iran's presidential campaign and has sparked a formal complaint from the hardline candidate, who is bearing the brunt of the jokes.

In the build-up to Friday's run-off between pragmatic cleric Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and hardline Tehran mayor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, it is certainly Rafsanjani supporters who are circulating the better jokes.

Many of the text messages masquerade as directives from a newly elected President Ahmadinejad.

"Ahmadinejad announces his ministries: ministry of the veil, ministry of censorship, ministry of the Revolutionary Guard, ministry of religious paramilitaries."

Another text message refers to a Tehran traffic directive that allows cars with licence plates ending in odd numbers into the city centre on one day and those with even numbers the next day.

"The odd/even directive is being expanded to have one day when women can go out on the street, while men are allowed out the next day," it reads, mocking a conservative preference for segregation of the sexes in public.

The official IRNA news agency reported that Ahmadinejad's campaign team was furious with the insulting messages and that Tehran's conservative prosecutor's office would crack down on messages that offended candidates.

The text messages normally end with a note to send the quip on to 10 friends.

The messages are unlikely to penetrate deep into Ahmadinejad's support base among the pious poor as there are only about 5.6 million mobile phone users among Iran's population of 67 million.

In the first round, many texts from the reformist camp urged a boycott. These have disappeared as reformists, panicked by Ahmadinejad, marshal their forces behind Rafsanjani.

Earlier in the campaign, one popular text poked fun at cleric Mehdi Karroubi, a presidential candidate who promised to dole out $62 each month to every Iranian over the age of 18 by tapping Iran's oil earnings.

"Hey, lend me $62 and I'll pay you back when Karroubi becomes president," it read.


16 posted on 06/21/2005 1:19:09 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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One view...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5089115,00.html
Anti-West Forces Unite in Iran Elections

Tuesday June 21, 2005 7:01 PM

By BRIAN MURPHY

Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - The ultraconservative political newcomer seeking Iran's presidency is helped along by powerful patrons - including the military guardians of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the son of the nation's supreme leader.

Tehran Mayor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's inner circle suggests some of Iran's most radical and anti-Western factions have concentrated their influence ahead of this week's head-to-head vote against self-styled moderate Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani.

Already, accusations of vote-rigging during last week's first-round election have arisen against some of Ahmadinejad's allies, particularly the elite Revolutionary Guards and hard-line civilian vigilantes that work alongside them.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, however, closed the door on any further complaints and cleared the way for Friday's run-off.

The far-reaching influence of Ahmadinejad's backers could be a crucial boost against Rafsanjani, who held the presidency from 1989-97 and is widely considered more receptive to greater contacts with the West and possible dialogue with the United States.

A victory by Ahmadinejad - a former Revolutionary Guard commander who has held only appointed posts - would consolidate hard-line control over the highest elected branches: the presidency and parliament. It would also give the non-elected ruling theocracy a freer hand to roll back social freedoms gained under outgoing President Mohammad Khatami since 1997.

Ahmadinejad's top allies are Khamenei's son, Mojtaba, and Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, leader of the powerful Guardian Council, according to a senior official within the theocracy. The official spoke on condition he not be named because of rules preventing members of the theocracy from commenting directly on election issues.

Iranian press reports also have placed Mojtaba Khamenei and Jannati at the heart of Ahmadinejad's surprise No. 2 finish in last Friday's first round. Neither responded to interview requests by The Associated Press. Campaign officials for Ahmadinejad (pronounced ``Aah-MA-dee-ni-JAHD'') refused to provide names of prominent supporters.

Khamenei's son normally stays far from the public eye, but he's been seen in recent days visiting Ahmadinejad's campaign headquarters in Tehran. He would offer Ahmadinejad a direct link to the supreme leader, whose hand-picked bloc of Islamic clerics holds near-absolute authority over every aspect of Iranian life.

Jannati, too, is close to the pinnacle of power.

As head of the 12-member Guardian Council, he holds the political reins of Iran. The council must clear all candidates for the presidency and parliament. For the presidential race, just eight men - and only one clear liberal - were permitted to run from more than 1,000 hopefuls. One hard-liner dropped out before the vote.

Jannati's influence is extended by his frequent appearances leading Friday prayers at Tehran University, which are broadcast nationwide. He has described the United States as ``bloodthirsty'' and said its Islamic allies committed acts of ``treason against all Muslims.''

And he has objected to any serious concessions over Iran's nuclear program. Washington claims Iran may be seeking to develop nuclear arms. Iran says its planned nuclear reactor is only for energy.

Another firebrand cleric, Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, is considered a possible favorite for the key Culture Ministry post if Ahmadinejad is elected. The ministry control extends to the arts, publications and the cinema - which have been allowed significantly broader horizons under Khatami.

But the limits of the presidency also have been evident.

Khatami could do nothing as the ruling clerics closed dozens of pro-reform newspapers and journals since the late 1990s. On Monday, a judicial order shut down the daily Eqbal newspaper, which had supported reformists.

Yazdi - a regular pre-sermon speaker at Tehran University prayers - doesn't shy from calling on attacks to enforce an austere version of Islam.

In 2003, he said Islamic rules must be respected even if ``violence is needed to enforce it.'' He backed the 1989 decree by the founder of the Islamic Revolution, the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, to kill British author Salman Rushdie for perceived insults to Islam. In 1998, the Iranian government declared it would not support the fatwa, or religious edict, but it still is considered in effect among some radical groups.

Yazdi also called international conventions on women's rights ``an insult'' to Islamic values and has accused the foreign media of being on the payroll of the CIA and other agencies.

Ayatollah Abolqasem Khazali - another cleric active in Ahmadinejad's campaign - once urged his followers to kill pro-reform writers and activists and told Muslims: ``If the enemy does not attack you, you should attack them.''

Ahmadinejad was picked in 2003 as Tehran's mayor by the conservative-led municipal council. Its head, Mahdi Chamran, has emerged as a close political adviser and brings a strong nationalist element to the campaign. His late brother, Mostafa, was a hero of the 1980-88 war with Iraq.

On Tuesday, Chamran tried to dismiss fears that Ahmadinejad would bring back the rigid Islamic codes that gripped Iran in the 1980s.

``Opponents ... issue statements that Taliban are on the way or that he will segregate men and women in elevators, universities and other places,'' Chamran said. ``It's not true.''


17 posted on 06/21/2005 2:01:13 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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... and another
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2540

Iran Focus
London, Jun. 21 - A 49-year-old former commander in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards catapulted to super-politician status by the unexpected results of Friday's presidential elections in Iran found himself at the centre of a growing controversy over allegations of vote fraud, his own shadowy past, and speculations over a crafty scheme by the top leaders of the clerical regime to lure voters to the polling booths.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the mayor of Tehran, was almost ignored by the domestic and international media until the last few days of the presidential campaign, and was widely expected to be among the five candidates who would be eliminated in the first round.

But Ahmadinejad, who belongs to the ultra-conservative camp within the theocratic regime, had something which placed him ahead of the other candidates: the nationwide powerful machinery of the Revolutionary Guards and the paramilitary Bassij, as well as the active blessing and support of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

"In the last week of the campaign, the Supreme Leader decided that Ahmadinejad represented the best chance among his favoured candidates in the race, who also included [former police chief Mohammad-Baqer] Qalibaf and [former state broadcasting chief Ali] Larijani", an influential Tehran businessman with close ties to the ultra-conservative faction said.

"Khamenei instructed his son Mojtaba and his security chief Hojjatol-Islam Hejazi to devote all the resources of the Revolutionary Guards and other agencies controlled by the Supreme Leader's office to ensure that Ahmadinejad would reach the second round", he said.

Some observers remain sceptical as to whether Ahmadinejad is a genuine candidate who is being backed by Ayatollah Khamenei and his ultra-conservative faction to emerge as Iran's next president, or whether he is being used as a "monster" to scare people into voting for "the lesser evil", namely ex-President Ayatollah Ali-Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

"If you look at the way the Khamenei-Rafsanjani duo worked together throughout the 1990s, it wouldn't be beyond them to be using Ahmadinejad as a demonic candidate to rally people around Rafsanjani", said Simon Bailey of the London-based Gulf Intelligence Monitor.

"Here are two men who have been rivals since the early days of the Islamic revolution, yet each one knows that he needs the other one to keep the regime on its feet", Bailey added.

Hossein Shaheen, a Paris-based analyst, agreed. "Khamenei didn't want Rafsanjani to be the next President. But as the old saying goes, if you can't stop them, join them. Both men have a vested interest in raising voter turnout, which would be critical for the continuity of their regime under highly sensitive domestic and international circumstances. A high turnout would enable them to thumb their noses at [United States President George W.] Bush. They can always settle their own accounts later", he said.

What has strengthened speculation that Ahmadinejad is being used as a tool for scaring young people and women to rush to the polling stations in the runoff that will be held next Friday are a series of extremely unpopular statements by the former Tehran mayor and his close associates since his unexpected success in the first round.

Addressing a nationwide television audience, Ahmadinejad's chief spokesman said last night that the kafiya (a popular headdress worn by men in Arab countries) must become the national headdress in Iran. Ahmadinejad himself said in an interview on Sunday that one of his top priorities will be "to implement sexual segregation in public transport systems and educational institutes".

"These are suicidal statements for a presidential candidate in a country where the support of women and young people is essential to win," Bailey said. "Ahmadinejad is certainly a radical Islamists, but we saw him in the municipal elections two years ago. He is not as dumb as he is acting right now".

Rafsanjani's supporters have been using Ahmadinejad's image as a hot-headed Islamic radical who would install a Taliban-like government in Iran to portray their candidate as "the saviour".

"A vote for Rafsanjani is a vote against totalitarian dictatorship", said Mehdi Hashemi, his son and chief campaign manager. "To boycott the second round is a dagger at the heart of democracy", Mohammad Atrianfar, the campaign's spokesman, said.

Bailey pointed to reports in some Iranian newspapers that there were "intense consultations" between Khamenei and Rafsanjani immediately after the first round of the elections. He also noted that key figures in Khamenei's camp, such as Mohammad-Baqer Qalibaf and Ali Larijani, declared their support for Rafsanjani.

"It's clever and it's a typical mullah ruse", Shaheen said. "Next Friday, a lot of people are going to breathe a sigh of relief if Rafsanjani becomes President, happy that they didn't end up with a mad Taliban guy. The mullahs will have successfully avoided the central issue, which is Rafsanjani's own evil record".


18 posted on 06/21/2005 2:06:11 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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and a long article by Bahukutumbi Raman:
The Dark Horse http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050621&fname=raman&sid=1


19 posted on 06/21/2005 2:18:25 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: DoctorZIn
Go ahead and wish, show yourself to these people and convert them. As a nation we cannot win a single person to love us, or worship Jesus by sending money to their leaders. The only way is through ministries and personal contact, not from taxing Americans.

Islamic fundamentalism spreads on the back of ignorance, poverty, and hopelessness, just like communism did. During the Cold War we spent a lot of money to mitigate the effects of poverty, hopelessness, and ignorance in order to lessen the breeding ground for communism. Some folks didn't like it, but it worked. Helping Africa progress is no different as a strategic measure. You go ahead and try to kill every mosquito separately and ignore the swamp and Bush will go ahead and put a little insecticide in the swamp water. We'll see which strategy has the bigger effect.
20 posted on 06/21/2005 5:36:11 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: DoctorZIn

The Islamic Republic Embassy in Ottawa, Canada was attacked by group of angry Iranians on June 16th, 2005.


21 posted on 06/21/2005 8:52:44 PM PDT by Khashayar (Screw You and Your Gas!)
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To: Khashayar

Protest in front of Iranian embassy in Ottawa, canada!

Red means a bloody regime!

22 posted on 06/21/2005 8:56:13 PM PDT by Khashayar (Screw You and Your Gas!)
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To: DoctorZIn

Angry Iranians protest in front of Iranian embassy in Ottawa, Canada

23 posted on 06/21/2005 8:57:00 PM PDT by Khashayar (Screw You and Your Gas!)
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To: AdmSmith

Gee, this all sounds familiar. ;~ )


24 posted on 06/21/2005 9:04:19 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/22/wiran22.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/06/22/ixworld.html

Don't pin hopes for reform on Rafsanjani, Britain warns
By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor
(Filed: 22/06/2005)

Britain adopted a more confrontational policy towards Iran yesterday when officials assailed the credibility of Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the likely winner of Friday's presidential election run-off.


Many Iranian reformists, alarmed that his opponent, the hardline former mayor of Teheran Mahmood Ahmadinejad, came second in the initial round of voting, have called on supporters to switch their votes to the 70-year-old Mr Rafsanjani despite the fact that he is a veteran of the regime.

The wily cleric, who served as president from 1989 to 1997, has cast himself as a centrist, and has dropped several hints that he was open to dealing with America.

But a senior British diplomat dismissed Mr Rafsanjani's reputation as a "pragmatist", and cast doubt over whether he would make it easier to resolve the crisis over Teheran's nuclear programme.

"It's important that people do not see Rafsanjani as a white knight. He has been president for eight years, and a lot of bad things happened in those eight years," he said. "He does not have a record of reform, co-operation with the West or abiding by international standards.

"We hear what he says, and we like it. But there is a difference between talking the talk and walking the walk."

Mr Rafsanjani, a confidant of Ayatollah Khomeini, is believed to have been intimately involved in decisions over Iran's nuclear programme. He has been implicated in the murder of scores of dissidents by Teheran's intelligence services, which he controlled as president.

After years of "engagement" with Iran, in the hope of strengthening the outgoing reformist President Mohammad Khatami, officials now appear to given up on the view of Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, who once described Iran as an "emerging democracy".

Many in the Foreign Office believe that the Iranian regime is "dying" and are pushing for the Government to "align" itself more with calls for change. Options being discussed include increasing the number of hours broadcast by the BBC Persian service, and supporting the creation of a Persian-language satellite TV station.

Britain, France and Germany face a crucial round of negotiations with Iran later this summer, when they have promised to present Teheran with new proposals to resolve the crisis over the nuclear programme.

Teheran says it wants to develop nuclear power only to generate electricity, but America and Europe fear it is developing the technology to build a weapon.
25 posted on 06/21/2005 11:00:27 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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Surprise, surprise, I never thought that I would agree with an article from these crackpots
http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-2/549/549_11_Iran.shtml

But the hard right is determined to show that it still can mobilize its base, remaining a force to be reckoned with that cannot be marginalized. Whether orchestrated through fraud or not, Ahmadinejad's second-place finish is meant to act as a brake on Rafsanjani - a reminder that the "pragmatists" can't cut out the right completely, and that he should look to the conservatives and not the reformists in setting policy.

But there is a chance that the right could go too far - and try to impose Ahmadinejad as the next president. This would be a miscalculation that could set the stage for mass protests - and give new life to pro-reform, pro-democracy forces.
26 posted on 06/21/2005 11:08:07 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: All
http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=32802&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs

Iran Ministry warns of fraud in president run-off

Wednesday, June 22, 2005 IranMania.com

LONDON, June 22 (IranMania) - Iran's interior ministry warned of the prospect of even greater fraud in this week's presidential election run-off by "some people who are ready to do anything to stay in power", AFP reported.

The ministry, in charge of organising the election, said the days ahead of last Friday's first round saw "people belonging to instititions whose job is to protect people and reinforce order... orchestrate and organise people's vote".

"They might do it again and even stronger this time," a visibly angry interior ministry spokesman Jahanbakhsh Khanjani told reporters.

"We do our best to confront that," he said, cryptically pointing the finger at "some people who are ready to do anything to stay in power and manipulate the election".

Three of the seven candidates who stood in the first round of the election last Friday have complained of rigging they say were aimed at propelling Tehran's ultra-hardline mayor Mahmood Ahmadinejad into a run-off against moderate conservative cleric Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

"The intelligence ministry has recognised some of the key elements, and the intelligence and the judiciary must confront them and announce their findings before the election" run-off this Friday, Khanjani said.

But he mysteriously added that "the mastermind may not be revealed because it is not to the benefit of the country".

The allegations of rigging did not concern the stuffing of ballot boxes, but rather an organised campaign to bring out right-wing voters and sway undecided Iranians through cash payments.

comment:May we guess that the name of the mastermind is K...
27 posted on 06/21/2005 11:12:45 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: DoctorZIn
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28 posted on 06/22/2005 1:07:13 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: AdmSmith

"May we guess that the name of the mastermind is K..."

Hard to be sure. It could be R... too.


29 posted on 06/22/2005 5:19:16 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: AdmSmith

"Ahmadinejad's second-place finish is meant to act as a brake on Rafsanjani "

I'm not so sure about that. I think it was to get people to the polls in the run-off (using Ahmadi Nejad as a scare tactic), and make Rafsanjani look popular and make the election of him look more legitimate. Plus (if it all works out) he can say he got more votes than even Khatami got. A little icing on the cake.


The people must continue to boycott!


30 posted on 06/22/2005 5:25:31 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: AdmSmith

"Britain adopted a more confrontational policy towards Iran yesterday when officials assailed the credibility of Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the likely winner of Friday's presidential election run-off."

Well, it's about time!


31 posted on 06/22/2005 5:27:34 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert
I think it was to get people to the polls in the run-off (using Ahmadi Nejad as a scare tactic), and make Rafsanjani look popular and make the election of him look more legitimate.

I do not believe in grand scale conspiracies. I think that it is a big power struggle behind, i.e. a small scale conspiracy ;-)
32 posted on 06/22/2005 5:32:46 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

"I do not believe in grand scale conspiracies"

Call it what you like. But when they announce Rafsanjani as the winner in almost a landslide, maybe you'll be more convinced that it was all a 'game'.


33 posted on 06/22/2005 5:38:17 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: commonasdirt

Here are the reasons (1) they kicked out anybody who was half intelligent, therefore had some sort of independent thought. (2) If anything is anti-Democrat, anti-progressive, it is right. (3) Most of these people live in bunkers and homeschool their kids, so they pollute them even more, and only read out of the King James.

It's true, isn't it?
The poster forgot we are ALL a mob of Bible-thumping, knuckle-dragging, Scripture-spouting, hellfire and brimstone-preaching, rightwing, gun-toting, bigoted, homophobic, moralistic, paternalistic, polyester-wearing, mascara-smeared, false-eyelashed, SUV-driving, Wal-Mart shopping, big hair, big gut, fat butt, holy-rolling, snake-handling, Limbaugh-listening, Bambi-shooting, trailer-park-dwelling, uneducated, ignorant, backwater, hayseed, hick, inbred, pinhead rubes -- mostly from the South, or places no better than the South -- who voted for Bush.


Well I've got to go clean my 155 howitzer now.


34 posted on 06/22/2005 5:56:55 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: nuconvert
I think that some members of the Guardian Council rigged the first round and provided "extra" votes for Ahmadinejad, and that this has freightened some of the "ordinary suspects". Check out the title of this thread.

The coming days will be very interesting, prepare for weekend duty in most of the capitals, not only for the neighbors. Follow the Tehran stock exchange for indications today and tomorrow...http://www.tse.ir/
35 posted on 06/22/2005 6:04:37 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

I know the 'coup' word is being used quite a bit. But Ahmadinejad is being very vocal about the societal restrictions he'd like to impose, which is just a tactic to scare the people into voting for Rafsanjani.
And I'm sure after they announce the winner,(Rafsanjani), the Tehran stock market will shoot up.
Pistachios, anyone?


36 posted on 06/22/2005 6:20:32 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Valin

Lol


37 posted on 06/22/2005 6:21:45 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2557

Iran Focus

Tehran, Jun. 22 One of Iran's state-run news agencies announced the results of a pre-election poll for the election run-off due on Friday between frontrunner Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and contender Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, showing the latter had greater support.

According to the poll, 47.79 percent supported Ahmadinejad, the ultra-conservative appointed mayor of Tehran, while only 35.73 percent supported Rafsanjani, a hard-line cleric and former President.

A separate poll conducted by the state broadcasting organ found that 43.56 percent of prospective voters favoured Ahmadinejad and 36.50 favoured Rafsanjani.

State-run polls are rarely accurate and tend not to report on the level of voter apathy.


38 posted on 06/22/2005 6:41:15 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: nuconvert
In a country with 15 per cent inflation, 12 per cent unemployment and gross domestic capital per head of $2,000, many people resent the alleged opulence of Mr Rafsanjani and his family, they will instead vote for the Islamic socialist
Ahmadinejad.

The hardliners in the Abadgaran are socially conservative, but far to the left on economic policy, supporting, for example, government subsidies to keep prices down for different products. More of the same and a recipe for a coming disaster.
39 posted on 06/22/2005 7:02:50 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

And releasing these numbers will further frighten people into voting for Rafsanjani.


40 posted on 06/22/2005 7:04:52 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: AdmSmith

"many people resent the alleged opulence of Mr Rafsanjani and his family"

Yes they do. But I don't believe resentment of his wealth is enough of a deterrent to give them the desire to vote for a return to the last century as far as women's rights, and other social mores.

(btw - I think the unemployment rate is much worse than 12%)


41 posted on 06/22/2005 7:11:41 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert; freedom44; F14 Pilot
We have different opinions on this, in my opinion it is a real difference between the shark and the former intelligence operative in Iraq (stationed in Kirkuk).
42 posted on 06/22/2005 7:17:25 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

"We have different opinions on this,"

Yes, we do. ;~ )


43 posted on 06/22/2005 7:19:45 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

Another poll
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/mediamonitor/article_1019314.php/Agency_poll_puts_Ahmadinezhad_ahead_in_Iran_election_runoff

Agency poll puts Ahmadinezhad ahead in Iran election runoff
Jun 22, 2005, 15:10 GMT
Text of report by Iranian Fars News Agency web site

The results of a poll conducted by Iranian Students Polling Agency (ISPA) on 21 June was announced today - at 1430 local time [1000 gmt] - in provinces of Tehran, Zanjan, Central, Ardabil, Kordestan, Hamedan, Esfahan, Gilan, Kohkiluyeh va Buyerahmad, Khorasan Razavi, West Azarbaijan and Chaharmahal va Bakhtiyari.

From 3,435 people who were contacted in these 12 provinces, 1,500 said they would vote for Mahmud Ahmadinezhad (45 per cent) while 1,302 said they would cast their ballots for Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani (39.15 per cent) - putting the Ahmadinezhad ahead in the race. Some 633 voters (12.9 per cent) in these provinces are still undecided.

The report says that 62.6 per cent of those who participated in this poll said that they would definitely take part in the election. Another 11.4 per cent said that they might vote on Friday [24 June].

The poll indicates that Ahmadinezhad is ahead in provinces of Esfahan, Ardabil, Zanjan, Central, Khorasan, Chaharmahal va Bakhtiyari, Kohkiluyeh va Buyerahmad, West Azarbaijan and Hamedan. And Rafsanjani is ahead in provinces of Kordestan, Gilan and Tehran.

Source: Fars News Agency web site, Tehran, in Persian 1330 gmt 22 Jun 05


44 posted on 06/22/2005 8:46:46 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: nuconvert

I was wrong, TSE is not trading tomorrow thursday. Today
the main section was up, this implies that Rafsanjani will win, (but the simple average fell, so...)
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-237/0506221130192438.htm
Wednesday's close at Tehran Stock Exchange
Tehran, June 22, IRNA

Iran-Stock Exchange
More than 65,037,000 shares, worth rls 314.076 billion, were traded at the Tehran Stock Exchange (TSE) on Wednesday.

On the TSE, the gainers outnumbered the gainers 81 to 56, while 12 stockbroker companies were in a state of no-loss-no-gain.

The 413-issue benchmark broader topix index, the key barometer of all indices, rose on Wednesday's close by 71.6 points to 12,495 points compared to the Tuesday's close.

The index for the main section listings went up by 77.5 points to 12,428 points, that for the second section listings by 37.5 points to 11,484 points, that for the industry index by 43.4 points to 9,465 points, that for the average weighted index of 50 companies by 6.3 points to 930 points, that for the turnover and Price Index by 282 points and that for the capital index by 12.9 points at the TSE's Wednesday close.

The index of the simple average index fell by 104.4 points to 22,118 points.


45 posted on 06/22/2005 3:00:43 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

And that last (real) paragraph packs quite a bit into one long sentence. ;~ )


46 posted on 06/22/2005 3:06:13 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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