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Growing my own tobacco -I've had it with these prices! (A journal)
6-21-5 | RandallFlagg

Posted on 06/21/2005 8:25:15 AM PDT by RandallFlagg

Since I have to get to bed, I'm just going to paste what I placed into the coffinnails.com forum. There's relevant questions inclused that I'll place on this thread if they get answered.

Day one -finally got my seeds!

Them things are SMALL! Sheesh! I had to fuzzy up the end of a Q-Tip to place them into the trays. Before I screw things up, there's a few questions I must ask. The 200 seeds I got are Dark Virginia. I'm doing 16 at a time.

Will the unused seeds keep for a while? I'd like to grow 'em in staggered stages. Will regular tap water work, or will I have to use distilled or rainwater? I have to used that kind for my Venus's Flytraps. Flourescent lighting. Will it work well for staggered stage growing year-round? Humidity? Someone told me that nicotine is a natural insect repellant. Is this true? Has anyone here saved the $$$ they expected to save? That's why I'm doing this. What's the best soil to use?

Luckily, there's a big place near my home called Paulino's Gardens, where I can find almost all the accessories I need for this venture of mine. I'll update on this thread as I go along.

OH! First entry: Got seeds three days ago and placed them on top of potting soil in 16-cube icetray container with holes in the bottom. Placed trays in my carnivorous plant terrarium that uses three 15-watt flourescent bulbs on a 18-hour timer. Sprayed and soaked with rainwater. Crossing my fingers.

Last question for the day: How long should it be before something actually grows?


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To: RandallFlagg
I started growing my own two years ago. First year I lost it all. Couldn't get the little guys going. Second year was great and harvested last fall. A small patch and I let some seed. On new years eve after air drying in my new big shed/barn I took some leaves down and rolled a couple cigars. Best darn things I ever tasted. My wife even smoked one and said she would stop making fun of me. My neigbors all had a nice cigar that night. My brother loved them and he is a real cigar affectionado. I still have some left from then. Good luck and tend to them. I did have a problem last year with those pesky tobbaco worms(they eat everything on them).

I didn't want to use pesticides so I picked them off ever day. I read some where that turkeys can pick them off, so I got some turkeys this year as pest removers and thanksgiving will be good this year as well.

Here is a good article on the whole process.

201 posted on 06/22/2005 12:24:15 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (Best part was how good it tasted.)
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To: Kathy in Alaska

I didn't ping you about growing tobacco :)

The freeper I pinged you to was asking about Alaska :)


202 posted on 06/22/2005 1:38:41 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Gabz

I found rhubarb! :)


203 posted on 06/22/2005 1:40:15 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MamaTexan

>>>Cheepers FReepers

Sounds like the making of a new Daily Thread :)


204 posted on 06/22/2005 2:21:10 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: CJ Wolf

Guinea Fowl are great pest removers too.


205 posted on 06/22/2005 2:24:15 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RandallFlagg
Do you have any old rusted out exhaust pipes, you could just scrape off the old carbon into flakes and roll that up and smoke em. It will probably taste better than a rollie.
206 posted on 06/22/2005 2:31:14 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: Raycpa
All of your activities in the garden could be used for some other occupation that earns more dollars per hour. Your barn could be used to rent out to others. Just because you don't write checks doesn't mean the costs are not there.

Dear Lord, you are absolutely dense, aren't you????????

Did you even bother to read what I wrote??????? I am a FULL TIME STAY AT HOME MOM.......that earns me NOTHING monetarily. Are you suggesting that I should be out in the workforce earning money and paying someone else to take care of my child instead of being home saving money and teaching my daughter valuable skills?

You are an absolute lunatic if you think that I should be doing something else to earn money. But you're a money man and have absolutely no understanding of the intangibles that are worth far more to some people than the almighty dollar.

Rent out my barn? You need to get a clue. Not write checks? I write plenty - I know exactly what my costs are for everything I do. I may not have the letters "CPA" after my name, but my accountant asked me why I bothered having her do my taxes this year because I already had everything organized properly - to me it was worth paying her to do the 2 states and fed and file them for me. Just like like it is worth more to me to have my child home with me and work in my garden than it is to have a paying job and have her in daycare.

207 posted on 06/22/2005 3:07:45 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: MamaTexan; Calpernia
I admit, when it comes to machine sewing, I'm pretty much self taught because I wasn't interested in it when I was 13/14 - I learned enough to make myself a couple of gored skirts and scoopnecked shirts - and then I never touched a sewing machine until I was pregnant (she will be 7 next week and I'm 44) Pillows, blankets, curtains are about the extent of my repetoire :)

Cheepers FReepers!

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually just responded to someone on this thread who claims my garden activities could be used for another occupation paying more money.

I will reuse the freezer bags if they didn't contain raw meat, poultry or fish...or didn't get stained with tomato products.

208 posted on 06/22/2005 3:22:53 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: patton

I was just acknowledging the FRiend that sent them to me!!!!!


209 posted on 06/22/2005 3:25:28 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Good for you...........just please don't become one of the anti-smoker crowd.......PLEASE


210 posted on 06/22/2005 3:26:36 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: CJ Wolf

WOW - you are a resourceful gentleman, aren't you???!!!!!!!!


211 posted on 06/22/2005 3:28:19 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: kenth
The mere fact that we try to remember whether or not the fed has outlawed growing a plant shows just how far we've moved from what America is supposed to be.

Ping for a great comment!

Nobody I know cares what Big Stupid Government "thinks" about plant use. As if people who could only get government jobs could actually think . . . . . .

See my tagline.

212 posted on 06/22/2005 3:29:50 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Gabz
Good for you...........just please don't become one of the anti-smoker crowd.......PLEASE

Oh, don't worry. I never could understand why ex-smokers are bigger anti-smoking Nazis than people who have never smoked.

213 posted on 06/22/2005 3:30:15 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: SheLion
I roll out a beautiful carton for a little under $8 dollars. Premiums in my state are now up to $45-$50 a carton. Can you imagine the money I have saved over the past 4 years since I now roll my own? It's mind boggling.

Hmmm, running the math here. My next cigarette will be my first, so if I start smoking - will I actually start making money?

214 posted on 06/22/2005 3:30:39 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Calpernia
I found rhubarb! :)

Good for you!!!!!!!

I found a lot of weeds, Mickey D's for my daughter and a game of trivia with friends with a beer for me :) The Garden center has to wait until Friday for me. And after paying a bunch of bills in between all of that - I'm really not in the mood for more weeds........but they are out there....*SIGH*

215 posted on 06/22/2005 3:36:02 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Hank Rearden
Hmmm, running the math here. My next cigarette will be my first, so if I start smoking - will I actually start making money?

You lost me.

If you don't spend it, then it's still your money. Right?

216 posted on 06/22/2005 3:38:32 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Calpernia; MamaTexan

>>>Cheepers FReepers

Sounds like the making of a new Daily Thread :)




Thank you both - you just gave me the theme for Friday's Freeper Family Table thread!!!!!!!!!!!


217 posted on 06/22/2005 3:39:34 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: chudogg
Do you have any old rusted out exhaust pipes, you could just scrape off the old carbon into flakes and roll that up and smoke em. It will probably taste better than a rollie.

HUH????????????????

218 posted on 06/22/2005 3:40:24 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Thank you my FRiend.

I have always been supportive of folks I know who have chosen to stop smoking...........several of them have gone the control freak route expecting everyone else to do the same - to a one I have told them I regret the concessions I made for them during their time of "duress".........the funny thing I have found is with the folks I know who have stopped smoking - it's the ones that always complained in the beginning are the ones that become the antis. Folks that just said "no more" never go the nanny route.


219 posted on 06/22/2005 3:47:18 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
HUH????????????????

Think about it.

220 posted on 06/22/2005 3:51:55 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: RandallFlagg
I used to smoke between 30-35 cigs a day...

Wheeez...

I used to smoke 20 packs of cigarettes a day...

Wheeez...

But, since the doctors removed one of my lungs...

Wheeez...

I've cut my smoking in half...

Wheeez...

221 posted on 06/22/2005 4:07:09 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Gabz

I think he is trying to be funny............


222 posted on 06/22/2005 4:07:28 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: chudogg
Think about it.

I have - it still makes no sense.

223 posted on 06/22/2005 5:29:16 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: SheLion

I hope you're right.


224 posted on 06/22/2005 5:30:21 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
But you're a money man and have absolutely no understanding of the intangibles that are worth far more to some people than the almighty dollar.

You agree with my original statement then. Its the intangibles not the dollar savings.

225 posted on 06/22/2005 6:08:42 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

WRONG..............

Please take a remidial class in reading comprehension along with the one in econ101


226 posted on 06/22/2005 6:15:23 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

So, you disagree with yourself?


227 posted on 06/22/2005 6:23:15 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SheLion

Man! I've been looking into this the past week or so myself. I'm going to smoke. Can't help it. I've been looking into rolling machines and filters but I have no idea from there. Can you recommend a decent machine I could possibly pick up down at the tobacco shop? I'm really amazed by all this. I've heard I can get the cost-per-cigarette down from 20 cents to 5 cents. Amazing I came upon this thread. Can't believe it!


228 posted on 06/22/2005 6:29:52 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Old Mountain man

Ya left out a step or two there Mountain man. First, it's too late in the year to plant seed. Actually too late to plant plants. Must begin in Feb. with a steamed plant bed for seeds. Keep covered with cloth until danger of frost is past. Transplant to field, replant those that die. As they grow break off the "suckers" that sprout between the leaves. Pick off the Tobacco Worms and squish them between thumb and fingers(at least 3 worms per plant). When the dark tobacco is about 4-5 feet tall, cut at base, string onto tobacco stake and take to the barn and hang the stakes between the rafters. After frost start several sawdust fires (hickory is best) and create lots of smoke which "cures" the leaves. In January, fire up the pot-bellied stove in the barn. Take down the stakes and remove the stalks of tobacco. Strip the leaves from the stalk and grade them according to grade. Tie into "hands" and arrange on a pallet. Now the tobacco is ready for sale or use. What a fun crop to grow. Of course you could plant Burley which is easier because you don't have to "fire" it. But Dark Virginia has to be smoke cured.


229 posted on 06/22/2005 6:55:01 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Raycpa
So, you disagree with yourself?

No - just your interpretation of my comments.

I can't help that you choose to just pick and choose the parts of my comments you wish to ignore.

I will say it one more time - growing my own crops SAVE me money. Adding another crop to what I am already growing is not going to cost me a danged thing.

And the fact you had the nerve to suggest I could earn more money than I save by getting a job instead of raising my child was a horrendous insult not only to me, but to all stay-at-home-moms and all conservatives.

Many of us don't live by the almighty dollar as you apparently do.

230 posted on 06/22/2005 7:05:51 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: christabel

easy to cure, just hang leaves in a controlled enviorment not too hot, dry or wet. They will dry and cure naturally, when the leaves turn brown, chop, dice, slice and roll your own!


231 posted on 06/22/2005 7:07:38 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: Types_with_Fist

The best machine is the Supermatic II. some tobacco shops do carry them - but SheLion did provide the link to purchase it online earlier in the thread.


232 posted on 06/22/2005 7:07:41 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: WVNan
What a fun crop to grow.

Not the way you're describing it!!!! LOL!

233 posted on 06/22/2005 7:09:55 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

Honey believe me, I've been there, done that.


234 posted on 06/22/2005 7:12:25 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Gabz
but SheLion did provide the link to purchase it online earlier in the thread

Thanks. Yes, I'm sorry. I did not have time to look through the whole thread, even though I'm very interested in this. I apologize. I usually DO comb through threads before I post. But thank you very much for answering. I knew somebody would and that I would be able to look in at the main site for answers.

235 posted on 06/22/2005 7:13:04 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: WVNan

Believe me - I believe you!!!!!!!!

I have to seriously reconsider the fact I was going to get some seed in next week after what you have said here.


236 posted on 06/22/2005 7:16:38 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Minnesoootan

What is "butt tea"?


237 posted on 06/22/2005 7:17:32 PM PDT by LittleBoPeep
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To: Types_with_Fist; SheLion

I'm sorry - I would normally have gone back and found the link and posted it - but I'm tired (therefore lazy) tonight.

If I remember correctly it's within the first 30-40 posts of this thread - and it wouldn't surprise me if She Lion has a link on her home page.


238 posted on 06/22/2005 7:20:02 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: LittleBoPeep
What is "butt tea"?

Simply steeping some tobacco in water for a while.

239 posted on 06/22/2005 7:21:40 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
LOL. As I said, I think it's too late in the year for seed. One might be able to still plant some Burley (which is really what one needs for cigarettes. Dark tobacco is for snuff and chewing). Dark tobacco is no fun to grow. When one is growing it for market it takes 13 or 14 months to get a crop from steaming beds to stripping. The crops overlap. Labor intensive crop. Burley is easy by comparison, but you still have to contend with these guys...


240 posted on 06/22/2005 7:22:40 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: VoiceOfBruck
I'm about to start drilling for oil in my back yard.
I started with just a shovel and hit water at about 4' - Is that a good sign?

PS: We're in Floriduh. ;-)

241 posted on 06/22/2005 7:30:28 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (In memory of our bravest in armed service to our nation.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Until you start growing some Pinar del Rio gold, with some Cameroon for the wrapper, I aint buying.


242 posted on 06/22/2005 7:31:56 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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To: WVNan
but you still have to contend with these guys...

Oh, lovely :)

I'm aware that it is a labor intensive crop and needs to be started/planted as early as possible - unfortunately I encountered a "problem" that basically cost me 2 months of doing anything but dealing with that. My garden has seriously suffered. I don't even have corn in yet - that's going in tomorrow, along with more chile pepper seeds.

243 posted on 06/22/2005 7:32:26 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

No problem. You gave me the machine to look for. My wife is already on the case...:-)


244 posted on 06/22/2005 7:34:49 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: RandallFlagg
Jeez Louise! Amateurs! Ok - first get your grow lights, cover the basement windows with blackout, you're gonna need some ventilation fans and you should prolly fence the place in, let a couple of pit bulls have run of the place and keep a sharp eye out for revenooers.
You gots to keep in mind that your cuttin of the gubmints revenoo so yo'all gots to be keerful! ;-)
245 posted on 06/22/2005 7:37:21 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (In memory of our bravest in armed service to our nation.)
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To: Types_with_Fist

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm off to sleep - I've got a garden to contend with before the temp climb into the 90s!!!

It's been a pleasure, hope to FReep with you soon.


246 posted on 06/22/2005 7:41:05 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

In Virginia you still have time to plant corn and have a late crop. Same for the peppers. Probably best to plant pepper slips and give them a head-start. You can plant field or blackeye peas for a fall crop.


247 posted on 06/22/2005 7:46:39 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Gabz

Happy gardening. God bless.


248 posted on 06/22/2005 7:49:32 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: RandallFlagg

I'm not a smoker but, as an avid gardener, I'm fascinated by the Alaskan gardener's setup!


249 posted on 06/22/2005 7:58:23 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Types_with_Fist

>> Can you recommend a decent machine I could possibly pick up down at the tobacco shop?

Shelion posted stuffyourown.com. I ordered from there and am happy to date.


250 posted on 06/22/2005 8:06:46 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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