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Growing my own tobacco -I've had it with these prices! (A journal)
6-21-5 | RandallFlagg

Posted on 06/21/2005 8:25:15 AM PDT by RandallFlagg

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To: Calpernia
I am sick and tired of my kids bringing home friends that think everything comes from a shelf or box. How sad for these children.

(sigh)

It's truly sad how ignorant a lot of kids are about common-place things.

Recently, my twin girls had a project in school that required sewing.

My two were the ONLY ones in the entire 5th grade that knew how to thread a needle or sew a seam.

151 posted on 06/22/2005 7:35:47 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT a *legal entity* ......... Nor am I a 'person' as created by law!)
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To: tiki

It took about 4 weeks for my seeds to arrive. They're shipped from England.


152 posted on 06/22/2005 7:36:12 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: fireforeffect

Now there is an idea!

153 posted on 06/22/2005 7:36:15 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MamaTexan
Toss a square or two of Ex-lax at the base of each plant, and it should cure the skunk problem right up in a couple of days. :)

WOW - I wonder what other garden eating animals that would handle?

154 posted on 06/22/2005 7:36:51 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: MamaTexan

Bump!

My kids can sew too.

They were making felt dolls with plastic needle point needles and yarn since they were 2. Boys too.

My daughter can thread the sewing machine now at 10yo.


155 posted on 06/22/2005 7:40:10 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I am sick and tired of my kids bringing home friends that think everything comes from a shelf or box.

That's not a problem I have encountered, thankfully - but it is also a reason we moved out of the city to the country. My daughter (she'll be 7 next month) has her own section of garden and it is totally her responsibility - she picked what she wants to grow and must do her own digging and weeding. (of course mom and dad help) It's a great learning experience and teaches responsibility.

156 posted on 06/22/2005 7:41:31 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
WOW - I wonder what other garden eating animals that would handle?

Hmmmm, good question!

Deer are probably too large, but I know it works on skunks, possums and raccoons. Getting VERY tempted to try in on the squirrels if they don't stop being such enormous pains.

Kinda a sad way to go for the little critters, but hey! They should keep their mitts OUT of my stuff!

:)

157 posted on 06/22/2005 7:45:36 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT a *legal entity* ......... Nor am I a 'person' as created by law!)
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To: Gabz

I will never forget the look on my son's face carrying the first crop of zucchini into the kitchen :)

I'm going to the garden store now to see if I can find rhubarb. I might not wait till next season.

ciao!


158 posted on 06/22/2005 7:45:37 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Nicotine is a damned effective pesticide and the straight stuff is a very potent toxin. If memory serves, something like 1 gram of pure nicotine is the LD/50 dose for an average sized human. A Law and Order episode from several years back had the murderer using nicotine from a plant supply house, intended for pesticide use, as the murder weapon. William F's son Christopher Buckley wrote a hilarious book, the title of which escapes me, in which the anti-tobacco nazis kidnap a tobacco lobbyist and try to kill him by applying nicotine patches to every inch of his skin. In the novel, the guy is rescued, but that amount would definitely be fatal.


159 posted on 06/22/2005 7:50:28 AM PDT by barkeep
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To: RandallFlagg
IF they try to go after folks for growing tobacco for personal use, I wonder if we can use the, "If tomatoes, carrots and cucumbers are all legal to grow, why not tobacco? They're all legal products," argument.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..........something to think on. Many folks seem to think that the SCOTUS ruling on medical marijuana may just have further ramifications on such things as growing our own tobacco..........or anything else for that matter.

160 posted on 06/22/2005 7:54:03 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Don't forget the additives or you'll be smoking harsh city.

Asian deer tongue extract, concentrated essence of camel dung, and dried ground ferret musk glands are good for starters.


161 posted on 06/22/2005 7:55:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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To: RandallFlagg
You're kidding, right?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Of course I am - I'm just as bad as you are:)

162 posted on 06/22/2005 7:56:25 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Heard of this. I believe we are discussing different types of tobacco. For instance from hill country NC to Kentucky one sees Burley tobacco, typically very small plots, 5 to 20 acres. When harvested, it is often still cured in the open field, leaves lovingly wrapped into conical piles about four feet high, each supported by a stake in the middle. Nearly exclusively pipe tobacco, totally different flavor from cigarette tobacco. The flue cured tobacco I worked with accounts for nearly all the American cigarette stuffing. Other varieties are grown more expensively and in different climates for pipe, cigar and "smokeless" as they now call chawbacca.


163 posted on 06/22/2005 8:04:32 AM PDT by barkeep
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To: Rebelbase
Don't forget the additives or you'll be smoking harsh city.

Asian deer tongue extract, concentrated essence of camel dung, and dried ground ferret musk glands are good for starters.


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And that's not including the actual tobacco....
164 posted on 06/22/2005 8:06:38 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: MamaTexan; Calpernia
It's truly sad how ignorant a lot of kids are about common-place things.

It absolutely drives me insane.....I grew up in the city (NYC to be exact) and I knew how to grow things, my mother taught me how to sew, and out of necessity I even learned how to cook (mom was a bit week in that area)

Good for you for teaching your girls to sew. Mine has figured out how to thread the bobbin on the sewing machine and started begging me to teach her to crochet when she was about 4.

I think a lot of the problem with these kids not knowing anything, is their parents don't do any of these mundane day to day things - they buy it or pay someone else to do it. I'm too cheap - if I can make it or grow it cheaper than buying it, I will :)

165 posted on 06/22/2005 8:06:52 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: tiki; RandallFlagg

I got my seeds from seedman.com

Good prices and fast delivery.


166 posted on 06/22/2005 8:16:29 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Calpernia

I'm jealous - I can't go to the garden center today - hubby's got the ATM card :)


167 posted on 06/22/2005 8:18:07 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: newgeezer

Yup, thank you.


168 posted on 06/22/2005 8:18:28 AM PDT by 4KennewickMan2Invent (Thinking is a good endeavor. Not thinking is the worst thing imaginable.)
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To: Rebelbase

You're so funny.................NOT


169 posted on 06/22/2005 8:19:42 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: fireforeffect
"Green tobacco Pickers Syndrome" can make you intensely ill.

Skin and clothing act as a big nicotine sink. You get dermal absorption. (it's the reason that nicotine patches work)

Besides wearing long sleeves and long pants. Shower as soon as you come away from working with tobacco plants.

Green Tobacco Pickers Syndrome will make you puke your toenails out but it can also cause slow heart rate and a drop in blood pressure.
170 posted on 06/22/2005 8:19:56 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: Lx
Seriously, I support medical marijuana, it's the medical meth I draw the line at.

Well, then there's all those troublesome pharmaceutical opium derivatives...

171 posted on 06/22/2005 8:19:58 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Old Mountain man
You can also buy tobacco already cured in bulk.

I wish I had done that when I smoked, would have been cheaper, been better cigarettes, and I could smoke here and there instead of a pack.
172 posted on 06/22/2005 8:21:36 AM PDT by 4KennewickMan2Invent (Thinking is a good endeavor. Not thinking is the worst thing imaginable.)
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To: Calpernia

I have not a clue about growing this stuff. But, yes, it can get warm in the summer depending on where you live.


173 posted on 06/22/2005 8:23:04 AM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ coming soon ~Operation Semper Fi ~a field hospital~)
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To: JerseyHighlander
The mere ability for the crop to be part of a economic transaction, or to be passed across state lines, is all the justification needed for the federal government to make the growing, packaging, transferring, gifting, selling, transporting of a crop illeagl in the US today.

Yep, you're right. I hope the T-men don't take an untoward interest in my capsicum garden...


174 posted on 06/22/2005 8:23:28 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

Is that a picture from last year - or are your peppers that prolific already?

I have some fruit, but nothing like that yet.


175 posted on 06/22/2005 8:28:47 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: 4KennewickMan2Invent

All you have to do is post an ad in any paper in the tobacco region looking for a graded bundle.


176 posted on 06/22/2005 8:32:37 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Gabz
I confess, Gabz, I snagged that pic off the web. It's not mine.

However, I do have about 25x25 feet in various hot peppers, and probably a half-peck of cayennes could be picked now. I'm in North Carolina, on the east end where the growing season is long.

I'm growing them through black plastic sheeting. I hate to pull weeds in Rocky Mount in July...

177 posted on 06/22/2005 8:36:54 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

LOL!!! snagging pix is fun!

I'm practically due north of you on rte 13 in VA near the MD line! We've got a pretty long season here as well.

I'm using a black mesh/fabric type stuff instead of plastic this year. I've got about 4,500 square feet tilled once - then the tiller croaked.......so only about half of it is currently being used in 10x3 blocks. I'm really running behind this year - I only have about 45 hot peppers of different varieties so far. I'm hoping to have enough viable seedlings to get at least that many more in next week and again in another 2 weeks.

I keep an eye on the commercial tomato grower fields on the back road, and add both peppers and tomatoes when they put in their next batch of plants ..... it's a good indicator and I then have the successive crops.


178 posted on 06/22/2005 8:47:54 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
I'm trying to grow chiltepins this year. So far the plants are looking weak. My anchos are huge plants already, with big thick stems...but the chiltepins aren't getting any more than six inches tall.

Not sure what's up with that; of course, I never tried growing them before, either, and they're pretty badly out of their natural range.

The chiltepin pepper:


179 posted on 06/22/2005 8:56:55 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon
At least I've never seen anyone act like paranoid schizophrenic on opium or their derivatives.
They just steal everything YOU own to support their habits.

As someone who was on long term opiates for some serious chronic pain, I can tell you it's no picnic and even then it doesn't eliminate all the pain, plus the added pleaseure of being addicted even though when it's prescribed to you, they don't use the word addicted although I forget the term they do use.

180 posted on 06/22/2005 9:07:15 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Oberon; patton

I had no luck with the chiltepins last year, so I didn't even look for any this year. My habaneros OTOH are growing like weeds :) and the anaheims are flourishing.

A FReeper friend picked up some seeds of his favorite chili in New Mexico and sent them to me. I'm debating about wether I should just straight sow them into the ground or start them inside first. What do you think?


181 posted on 06/22/2005 9:07:21 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Lx

Well, would you say that those are arguments for or against legalization? Is "medical morphine" just a scam perpetrated by people who want to be able to get it for recreational use?


182 posted on 06/22/2005 9:13:01 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Gabz
I'm debating about wether I should just straight sow them into the ground or start them inside first. What do you think?

This year I started seeds indoors for the first time in a long while. I went to Wal-Mart and bought a starter set from the garden section; it's a plastic tray with a clear lid, loaded with X number of peat pellets. I bought two of the 72-pellet trays to start my peppers in, and they sprouted like weeds.

I helped things along a bit by putting a small electric heater under the card table the trays were on, so as to keep the soil temps in the 80s. I got terriffic results, much better than planting seeds outdoors.

183 posted on 06/22/2005 9:16:20 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Gabz

The first is a real tobacco additive. I was joking about the camel dung and ferret musk glands.


184 posted on 06/22/2005 9:19:54 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Those don't count because they're not listed on the cigarette package. If it's not on the package it's not there. :-)


185 posted on 06/22/2005 9:21:21 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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To: Oberon

I start a lot of seeds indoors - I was just tinking that because it is already so late and the soil has warmed up that I might be better off just direct sowing. I still have peat pots left, so I may just go ahead and do both.


186 posted on 06/22/2005 9:22:25 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Rebelbase

Asian deer tongue extract????????? what the heck is that - or do I not really want to know?


187 posted on 06/22/2005 9:23:56 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

You don't want to know.


188 posted on 06/22/2005 9:38:29 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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To: Rebelbase

LOL!!!!


189 posted on 06/22/2005 9:40:02 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Oberon

No way would I want to see morphine or its related derivatives made OTC. My only caveat is that drugs like oxycontin are incredibly expensive and if you don't have coverage you're screwed. Unlike pot which is relatively harmless on a par with tobacco or alcohol, opiates will kill you if your take too much and it is addicitve and you get a tolerance to it as well.

As for medical morphine, if someone has inoperable cancer, they should be allowed as much morphine as they need to be comfortable. What the hell, are they going to get addicted when they've already got a death sentence?

The problem is that you get the people that want ALL drugs legalized clouding a very real issue. Doctors are leery of prescribing opiates because the DEA watches them and it's a heavily abused drug. In other words, it's a helliva complex isuue.

I really don't want some meth head running around paranoid as hell looking for a fight.


190 posted on 06/22/2005 9:54:54 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
No way would I want to see morphine or its related derivatives made OTC.

I didn't say "Over the Counter." I said "Legal." As in you could go to the Wal-Mart pharmacy and pick up your prescribed package of marijuana. You can't do that now, although you can go buy all the codiene and assorted other opium derivatives your doctor thinks you need.

Curious world we live in, isn't it?

191 posted on 06/22/2005 9:59:57 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Gabz

I'd hedge by doing both. Putting those tiny seeds out in the weather is always a crapshoot for me.


192 posted on 06/22/2005 10:00:55 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

"crapshoot" is a perfect term!!!

because of using all the black mesh what I did with a lot of seeds that I directly sowed this year was to take 3oz dixie dispenser cups and insert them in the holes I dug threw the slits I cut in the mesh. I then planted the seeds and as they started coming up, I pulled out the cups. I think I will try the same thing with these seeds, and also do some in peat pots, to be on the safe side :)

If you haven't figured it out yet - I love talking about gardening.....but I've got to absent myself for a couple of hours. It's been lovely talking to you and hope to pick up later!!!


193 posted on 06/22/2005 10:09:39 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Oberon

Ok, you mean you want it to be legal to prescribe marjuana, right? I don't have a problem with that. I voted for it here in Ca.


194 posted on 06/22/2005 10:31:28 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Gabz

All of your activities in the garden could be used for some other occupation that earns more dollars per hour. Your barn could be used to rent out to others. Just because you don't write checks doesn't mean the costs are not there.


195 posted on 06/22/2005 10:43:44 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Gabz; Calpernia
my mother taught me how to sew,

LOL! My Mom tried, bless her heart, but her being left-handed, I could NEVER catch on! I'm (sadly) self taught, but what I do know has been passed to the girls, so at least they're not totally lacking :)

is their parents don't do any of these mundane day to day things

(sigh)

My family spends a great deal of time discussing the rampant stupidity of the general public.

I'm too cheap

ROFLMAO! We need to start a club.... Cheepers FReepers!

It drives my family crazy because I insist on reusing the big plastic freezer bags if all that's been in there is a piece of homemade bread :)

196 posted on 06/22/2005 10:58:39 AM PDT by MamaTexan (*No!* You CAN'T 'Throw it away'.......... it's still GOOD!)
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To: Gabz

Not a clue. LOL.


197 posted on 06/22/2005 11:48:55 AM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: RandallFlagg

During the Second World War, rationing and shortages made many people in Britain grow their own tobacco. One of the most famous was a vicar, who grew his behind the church.

No ill-effects due to home growing reported.

Regards, Ivan


198 posted on 06/22/2005 11:50:53 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: RandallFlagg
Good on you. I, too, was tired of the hassle and just wanted to find a way to "screw the man", so I was going to do this.

Finally I just decided that it would really screw 'em if I just quit. So I did. Two months ago.

The hell with them.

199 posted on 06/22/2005 11:53:52 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: biblewonk

Is your daughter filing the proper underage work forms and 10-40s?


200 posted on 06/22/2005 12:02:46 PM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, mofo!)
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