Posted on 06/21/2005 12:41:10 PM PDT by robowombat
Again, let's discuss alcohol on your alcohol thread when you get it going, but alcohol must never be used as an excuse to allow vices into society, on that we all can agree.
Laws may not override the Constitution ... only amendments. All true American conservatives know and respect this.
This is a drug thread, and alcohol is a drug.
Well, the highest court in the land doesn't disagree with Federal drug laws to this point, so you have yourself a problem.
In any case, step away from the illegal drugs and join conservatism.
We are like an old galvanized water pipe. Just sitting there rotting.
Why would the largest, most powerful, most educated country on earth allow this to happen?
They also think abortion and sodomy are protected by the Constitution. No true American conservative cites the Supreme Court as reliable interpreters of the Constitution.
Sodomy, abortion and self medication seems things the libertarians would favor.
>>Both would be lessened if drugs were legal.<<
BS. Under what theory would either be lessened? They would be increased, as drug use would skyrocket.
>>DUI is no more an argument for a drug ban than it is for a car ban.<<
This is just stupid. Cars have a legitimate, legal purpose, and can be used for good. Illicit drugs have no such purpose.
>>problem solved<<
Great. Then all these smoking nazis who seem to think its their God-given right to smoke anywhere and everywhere come out and start demanding drug use rights. On top of that, if we get rid of drug laws, it is based, at least partly on, the idea that drug abuse is a right, is it not? That's a springboard for the same argument for drugs that exists for smoking, homosexuality, and every other made up "right."
>>Nobody HAS to.<<
You either have no experience with illicit drugs, or you have way too much experience with them.
Nonsense. I would be no likelier to use heroin if it were legal; would you?
Cars have a legitimate, legal purpose, and can be used for good. Illicit drugs have no such purpose.
They have the same legitimate use as alcohol: to enhance one's enjoyment of one's circumstances.
Then all these smoking nazis who seem to think its their God-given right to smoke anywhere and everywhere come out and start demanding drug use rights.
The right to do something in no way implies a right to do it on property not one's own.
Ideally, yes. Realistically, no. The best the government will ever accomplish is varying degrees of management. Nonetheless, we do have laws. If those laws are to be changed, it must not be by way of civil disobedience, but by getting involved in the processes outlined in the Constitution.
I'll take that further. Though I have opinions on what I think would work best, I would not break the present law in an effort to change the law from outside the Constitutional process. Likewise, if I ran for office, and were elected based on my desire to change existing laws, I would be duty bound to uphold the law on the books, even if my proposals were never accepted. This is where most of our elected run afoul of me. They do not accept the full responsibility of the offices they have sworn to uphold.
>>I would be no likelier to use heroin if it were legal; would you?<<
Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that because you conducted a sample size of exactly two people, neither of who are between the ages of 12 and 25 (I'm guessing) and neither of whom (again, I'm guessing, but based on your comment here it seems safe) have ever even tried illicit drugs, not to mention one drug only, that this means drug use wouldn't increase? Aside from the obvious flaws in that, it defies logic to suggest drug use wouldn't increase. For one thing, people don't do some things strictly because it is illegal. For another, you have a guarantee of increased drug use because the people you would have arrested pre-legalization are not arrested and continue to use it. Are you assuming they quit post legalization?
>>They have the same legitimate use as alcohol: to enhance one's enjoyment of one's circumstances.<<
BS. Alcohol can be consumed for reasons having nothing to do with intoxication. I have never been "buzzed," much less drunk in my life. I enjoy a good quality glass of champagne every now and then as I like the taste. I used to even like to drink an occassional wine cooler, but I haven't had one in a long time. I could drink either as a substitute for soda.
There are no illicit drugs that are taken for non-intoxicating effects.
>>The right to do something in no way implies a right to do it on property not one's own.<<
I agree, but there are literally hundreds of people on here that disagree. Should I point you to the specific posts?
Stupidity comes off worse.
Pardon me, its about messican drug commando's operating on US soil. Red herrings are most in season.
Why would the largest, most powerful, most educated country on earth allow this to happen?<<<
Apathy. Created by the Nanny State, IMO.
What goes on in somebodies bedroom are things a totalitarian would favor.
And when the law says you sit in the back of the bus, you sit in the back of the bus. And when the law says you get on the trains, you get on the trains. At least that's what adults do.
Comparing using illegal drugs to that is one of the most absurd things ever.. Congrats.
Do you agree that they should be changed, as the law banning alcohol was changed?
I strongly doubt that there are many people who are not deterred by the threat of addiction and fatal overdose but are deterred by legal penalty.
For another, you have a guarantee of increased drug use because the people you would have arrested pre-legalization are not arrested and continue to use it.
How does continuation of use become an increase?
Alcohol can be consumed for reasons having nothing to do with intoxication. I have never been "buzzed,"
Many people have; is their use of alcohol not legitimate?
I agree, but there are literally hundreds of people on here that disagree.
Which makes them a minority; I'm not concerned.
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