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Biden Accuses Bush of Misleading on Iraq
Washington Post ^ | 6/21/05 | RON FOURNIER/AP

Posted on 06/21/2005 6:37:49 PM PDT by wagglebee

WASHINGTON -- Two days after announcing his intention to seek the presidency, Democratic Sen. Joe Biden on Tuesday accused President Bush of "misleading statements and premature declarations of victory" in Iraq and called on him to change course.

"The disconnect between the administration's rhetoric and the reality on the ground has opened not just a credibility gap, but a credibility chasm. Standing right in the middle of that chasm are 139,000 American troops _ some in their third rotations," the Delaware senator said in a speech at a Washington think tank.

He said Bush should level with voters about the stakes and risks in Iraq and push to get allies more involved in security and reconstruction efforts. While the address broke little new ground, it was arguably the first campaign speech of the 2008 race.

Bush's political team fired back. "Sen. Biden's gloomy view of the significant progress made in Iraq should earn him the title of pessimist in chief," said Tracey Schmitt, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: biden; bush; iraq
Bush's political team fired back. "Sen. Biden's gloomy view of the significant progress made in Iraq should earn him the title of pessimist in chief," said Tracey Schmitt, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee.

Perfect!

1 posted on 06/21/2005 6:37:50 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Does Biden have a military record?

Has that bald headed chicken plucker ever been near or, better yet, IN a combat zone?


2 posted on 06/21/2005 6:41:32 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970)
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To: wagglebee
Can't JB come up with anything original?
3 posted on 06/21/2005 6:42:14 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: wagglebee

He won't carry his immediate family. Welcome Senator Biden.


4 posted on 06/21/2005 6:42:22 PM PDT by ncountylee
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To: wagglebee

Biden is trying to win the votes of the "Bush is Hitler" crowd.


5 posted on 06/21/2005 6:42:44 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Mr. Mojo

"Can't JB come up with anything original?"

No, because his hair plugs have addled his brain.


6 posted on 06/21/2005 6:43:47 PM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Nope, now he's plagarizing Soros and Michael Moore.


7 posted on 06/21/2005 6:44:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
I really love it how the only solution these pathetic Democrats have is "get the allies involved." This, after their own guy- John Kerry- advocated DITCHING our allies in matters such as dealing with North Korea. These same pathetic Democrats did little to recognize any of the efforts any of our allies have already put towards the war in Iraq, like from Britain or Poland (we all remember Poland).

The Dems can complain all they want, but until they come up with a plausible strategy instead of some "get all of the allies involved" delusions of grandeur, they deserve not a shred of credibility. I really question whether these people have anything left to offer in the war of ideas anymore. They seem devoid of thought and loaded with nothing but vitriol.

8 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:04 PM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: wagglebee

I accuse of Biden of misleading America by saying that he actually has a brain.


9 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:09 PM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: wagglebee

I am an American, I am a voter---and I distinctly remember President Bush saying it was going to be a long war, and difficult war, because of the type of enemy we were facing.

He included Iraq in the War on Terror and I understand why, and agree...

I have taken the time to dig through crap everyday to find the stories about the troops furnishing new schools, books and supplies, about the Iraqi Marines taking over the oil sites because they are proud of their country and the want to defend it...

President Bush is a man who gives the voter credit for remembering what he says ---AND, I KNEW before anyone told me that the "mission accomplished" sign on that aircraft carrier was for the mission that the carrier just finished, NOT the Iraq War per se...

I don't know if I can tolerate a campaign speech a day from Bloviating Biden, for the next 3 years....yikes!


10 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:13 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: wagglebee

11 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:22 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: wagglebee

Biden will never make it out of Iowa. The libs think he is Bushlite.


12 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:24 PM PDT by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: wagglebee

I think Biden should level with America and admit that he has been on the payroll of the country's enemies for years! Come on, Joe, fess up! It would be the right thing for you to do!


13 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:32 PM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Can't JB come up with anything original?

I hear his speech started out "Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation." He knows how to write them. Of course, there is nothing original about any part of Biden, including his hair.

14 posted on 06/21/2005 6:46:16 PM PDT by speedy
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To: Txsleuth

I couldn't agree more!


15 posted on 06/21/2005 6:47:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: AngieGOP
No, because his hair plugs have addled his brain.


16 posted on 06/21/2005 6:48:32 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: wagglebee

Is he smoking pot, or taking Arab money, or both?


17 posted on 06/21/2005 6:48:52 PM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: wagglebee

...and the Democrats continue their macabre dance.


19 posted on 06/21/2005 6:49:22 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Txsleuth

Well said. More people than you think also remember the words of President Bush shortly after Sept 11.

Take heart.


20 posted on 06/21/2005 6:49:32 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970)
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To: South40

Wow...Chia kits for Senators!


21 posted on 06/21/2005 6:50:39 PM PDT by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: wagglebee

"The disconnect between the administration's rhetoric and the reality on the ground has opened not just a credibility gap, but a credibility chasm."

Good work Senator Biden. You sound just like John Kerry, and after the last election, he's still just a senator from Taxachusetts.


22 posted on 06/21/2005 6:51:20 PM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: mlbford2

He will win the Imus primary. You know , the won McCain and Kerry won.


23 posted on 06/21/2005 6:51:33 PM PDT by LongsforReagan (Not a Hannity Republican who just reads talking points.)
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To: LongsforReagan

Won= one.

oops.


24 posted on 06/21/2005 6:52:09 PM PDT by LongsforReagan (Not a Hannity Republican who just reads talking points.)
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To: wagglebee

And the 'Support the Troops Democrats' show their support by trashing the troops performance, the war and their C-I-C!! Well done! You Dems are brilliant! Siding with the enemy to defat this country will win you many votes...in al-Quida's circles.

Rather than playing Pessimist-In-Chief Biden should try performing his own job and giving Bolton and up or down vote.


25 posted on 06/21/2005 6:55:20 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: All

Blah, blah, blah....yahda,yahda, yahda.


26 posted on 06/21/2005 6:58:34 PM PDT by NordP (Keeping America Great - Condi Rice/Jack Bauer in 2008 !)
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To: All
I mentioned the bisque.
27 posted on 06/21/2005 6:59:55 PM PDT by NordP (Keeping America Great - Condi Rice/Jack Bauer in 2008 !)
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To: wagglebee
Perhaps Biden should give a little more thought to the situation before he tries to level with anyone about anything. The truth of the matter is a loss in Iraq is going to lead to consequences similar to those in Vietnam. The losses will only begin in Iraq. The democracy movement in Iran will be set back 20 years. The baby steps made by Mubarak in Egypt? pointless. Lebanon reacquired as a Syrian province. This is only the beginning of the domino effect. Biden is a living example of that old adage "Those who refuse to learn from history are destined to repeat it".
28 posted on 06/21/2005 7:02:09 PM PDT by kublia khan (total war brings absolute victory)
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To: wagglebee

Biden is definitely running in 2008 with all this TV exposure on about every issue.


29 posted on 06/21/2005 7:03:25 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: wagglebee

Has anyone else noticed that the communists in the 'RAT party seem to be taking turns attacking President Bush and America. It started with Red Ted and Boxer. Then it was Pelosi and Reid. Then Dickie bin Durbin, Rangel, Biden and now Chuckybumps Schumer. It appears to me that these people are either really sick or they got a hold of some bad weed.


30 posted on 06/21/2005 7:06:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: wagglebee

It seems that this far out from the election Biden should be telling people why he's a good candidate. Instead he's bashing Bush. Don't tell him, but Bush isn't running in 08.


31 posted on 06/21/2005 7:06:33 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: wingman1
Well said. More people than you think also remember the words of President Bush shortly after Sept 11.

I hope so because the Prez has been lousy in creating a climate of support for the war and the troops.

There are two classes in this country: those fighting and dying and those going on their merry way as if nothing is going on in the world.

32 posted on 06/21/2005 7:07:02 PM PDT by zarf
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I don't know what he's thinking. Even the lefties dislike him.


33 posted on 06/21/2005 7:09:13 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: zarf

"I hope so because the Prez has been lousy in creating a climate of support for the war and the troops."

Yeah. You're right. Lincoln was the same way.


34 posted on 06/21/2005 7:18:21 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970)
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To: wagglebee
Opportunist. He's trying to position himself as the Vietnam anti-war candidate Kennedy/McCarthy thing, as opposed to Hillary who supported Iraq.

The vacuity of all this is that, no matter how they try, the Dems can't transform this war into Vietnam. North Vietnam never attacked Americans on American soil. In the '70's, if and when we withdrew from Vietnam, no harm was going to come to our homeland.

On the other hand, if we withdraw from Iraq, it doesn't end terrorism and it doesn't make the home land safer. If anything, the home land is in more jeopardy.

I honestly don't comprehend what the Dems hope to achieve with this anti-war rhetoric- it's all lost when the first idiot with a bomb on his back blows himself up in a ny subway.
35 posted on 06/21/2005 7:25:54 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: wagglebee
It looks like he has decided to use a combination of Wesley Clark's, and Howard Dean's speeches. I knew he couldn't come up with anything original. History does repeat itself.
36 posted on 06/21/2005 7:30:15 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.And we're unlikely to get a look into this t)
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To: Dale 1
Amazing that an admitted liar and thief can question someone else's veracity.
37 posted on 06/21/2005 7:30:46 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: wagglebee

Isn't there a speech somewhere for Biden to be plagiarizing?

Or was he able to make this up all by himself?


38 posted on 06/21/2005 7:42:23 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: popdonnelly
Biden is trying to win the votes of the "Bush is Hitler" crowd.

LOL....doesn't he know those folks are already spoken for.

39 posted on 06/21/2005 7:45:42 PM PDT by ShowMeMom (America: The home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Biden is definitely running in 2008 with all this TV exposure on about every issue.

That's the plan..

40 posted on 06/21/2005 7:50:32 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: wagglebee

"...the Delaware senator said in a speech at a Washington think tank."

Think Tank? More likely a Drunk Tank to unconscious winos.


41 posted on 06/21/2005 7:51:08 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: gov_bean_ counter
And using 1970's talking points!
42 posted on 06/21/2005 7:53:40 PM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: wagglebee

Who writes Biden's stuff?


43 posted on 06/21/2005 8:02:36 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (A lack of preparation on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.)
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To: wagglebee

Nice come back. Another Rat Senator traitor, what a surprise. Any Rat Senator's left who are not traitors to the nation?


44 posted on 06/21/2005 8:05:16 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: wagglebee
Senator Joe Biden, who was seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, was accused of plagiarizing passages in speeches and interviews from the oratory of a British politician, Neil Kinnock. Kinnock (original)

"Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university?"

"Was it because our predecessors were thick? Does anybody really think that they didn't get what we had because they didn't have the talent or the strength or the endurance or the commitment? Of course not. It was because there was no platform upon which they could stand."

Biden

"I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college?"

"Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? . . . No, it's not because they weren't as smart. It's not because they didn't work as hard. It's because they didn't have a platform upon which to stand . . ."

"It turned out Biden had also borrowed passages from old campaign speeches by Robert Kennedy and had inflated his academic record. But oratory has a long tradition of borrowing and even "heavy lifting," as speechwriters call it, so Biden stayed alive in the presidential race. The last straw, however, came when it turned out that twenty years earlier Biden had received a failing grade in a law school course for plagiarizing a legal article (he'd given a single footnote while lifting five full pages from the article). Biden said he'd been unaware of the appropriate standards for legal briefs, but the public was unimpressed. His campaign collapsed and he withdrew from the race."

From the Nuts and Bolts of College Writing
[The source made me laugh..]

45 posted on 06/21/2005 8:05:38 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: wagglebee

Isn't this the guy who steals others ideas as his own? Hes doing it again. This crap has already been said by others. Blather own Biden!


46 posted on 06/21/2005 8:09:22 PM PDT by packrat35 (reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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To: wagglebee
Hey Biden!! Bush took a few drinks about 30 years ago too. Can't you Dem idiots come up with anything new? Next thing he'll be saying that the Republicans stole the election in 2000. Duh
47 posted on 06/21/2005 8:14:20 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Can't JB come up with anything original? ;)
48 posted on 06/21/2005 8:15:41 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: ReadyNow

Biden (like all libs) is a rube, an unsophisticated dolt, a hapless peasant. Incredibly, he took literally the President's remarks about WMD. If he had been able to understand the President's comments with a bit more nuance, he would have realized that WMD was hardly the primary reason for invading Iraq.

The primary reason was to give Iraqis freedom. Hence the name of the operation "Iraqi Freedom"

Really, it is embarassing that this fellow is in a position of leadership


49 posted on 06/21/2005 8:17:52 PM PDT by Teplukin
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To: wagglebee
The DemonRATS are so psychotic they will hallucinate anything! Reminds me of those who claim to see the image of the Virgin Mary in a $28,000 ten-year-old toasted cheese sandwich. The left can laugh at Bush till they puke about the fact that no WMDs were found in Iraq. In fact, Bush knows there were no WMDs were left in Iraq after the Soviets helped move them out of Iraq into Syria. The Soviets did thier job well and we should thank the Soviets for the fine job they did to detoxify Iraq. We can thank Bush for building the friendship with Putin that was able to give us such cooperation. Such cooperation has the pin heads of the left frothing at the mouth. Look at them appearing at a TV near you. They are so insane at the fact that our policy in Iraq is going so well, they are acting like rabid dogs. Just, for instance, look at the image of John Kerry to find the poster boy for Rabid Dog of the Left. Then look at the psychotic Mad Doctor, Howard Dean (R.D.L). In fact, the entire lot of DemonRATs are off their meds. In order to be a DemonRAT these days, one has to give up ones thinking processes to the ultra ultra far left (Communists is the operative word) and drink the Kool Aid. What you see is Red Teddy (R.D.L.), Box-0-Rocks Boxer (R.D.L.), Blowoffski Pelosi (R.D.L.), Soiled Harry Reid (R.D.L.), Dickie bin Durbin (R.D.L.), Rat Man Rangel (R.D.L.), Ossama Bin Biden(R.D.L.) and now Chuckybumps Schumer(R.D.L.) morphed into zombie machines from the Night of the Dead.
50 posted on 06/22/2005 1:21:13 AM PDT by jonrick46
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