Cruel and Unusual -Terri

NY Times ^ | 6/23/05 | Bob Herbert

[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1427939/posts

[Earthdweller]

AMA acts on Terry Schiavo - inspired policy-Chicago Sun Times

"The politicization of Terri Schiavo prompted the American Medical Association on Tuesday to adopt policy opposing any legislation that presumes patients would want life-sustaining treatment unless it is clear that they would not."

[AnimalLover]

you voted for Gore didn't you.

No - as a matter of fact I did not vote for Gore

[HiTech RedNeck]

A warlock hunt.

[HiTech RedNeck]

As of Tuesday of this week [the AMA] have in fact taken a stand against any legislation that would hold a presumption of life sighting the Schiavo case as their reason for imposing this on the entirety of the US population.

Beam me up Hippocrates, there is no moral life down here.

[Earthdweller]

"Beam me up Hippocrates, there is no moral life down here."

One step for Terri Schindler. One huge step for mankind down the slippery slope.

There are no conspiracies to influence public opinion and politicians about health care morality in the US. There are only masses of well paid lobbyists with weird science agendas together with precedence setting lawyers paid by insurance companies trying to save a few billion bucks.

What's to worry about?

[flaglady47]

"Hmmm. Looks like I managed to reduce you to a raging piece of name-calling incoherence with little effort.
You lose.
If I were you I wouldn't serve on any juries, Fur Shur!"

It's just that the wiring in your brain is slightly askew, so don't waste my time. Thank you.

[Gondring]

You just care about murder which was that took place, pure and simple!!!

Gonna back up that statement with evidence, or just use that lovely leftist technique of "Proof by Assertion"?

[danamco]

Gonna back up that statement with evidence, or just use that lovely leftist technique of "Proof by Assertion"?


We went through that whole thing with you over and over and over again when she was still alive, and you still don't get it. Why don't you read detective Mark Furman's new book on this subject and come back, because he will give you the evidence and I don't think he's a leftist either, are you???

[Gondring]

We went through that whole thing with you over and over and over again when she was still alive, and you still don't get it. Why don't you read detective Mark Furman's new book on this subject and come back, because he will give you the evidence and I don't think he's a leftist either, are you???

This has nothing to do with Mark F. or any other straw men you choose to throw up there. It has to do with your libelous statement:

You just care about murder which was that took place, pure and simple!!!

I ask you what your evidence is for this wild suggestion, when I was suggesting the best outcome would be to discover an authentic written proof of Mrs. Schiavo's wishes. It was the Schindlers who admitted they would have violated Mrs. Schiavo's wishes even if that evidence was discovered. Though they later retracted their statements, it seems that you cannot accuse me without impugning them at least as strongly.

[danamco]

I ask you what your evidence is for this wild suggestion, when I was suggesting the best outcome would be to discover an authentic written proof of Mrs. Schiavo's wishes. It was the Schindlers who admitted they would have violated Mrs. Schiavo's wishes even if that evidence was discovered. Though they later retracted their statements, it seems that you cannot accuse me without impugning them at least as strongly.


Is Terri dead or is she still alive???
If she died did she die a "natural" death???

[Gondring]

Your reply indicates that you care more about focusing on the death of Mrs. Schiavo than I do. I care about her rights, and the rights of all of us.

I suppose one could say that Mrs. Schiavo died a natural death, since if not for intervention by artificial medical technology, she would have expired back in 1990. But that's irrelevant. The important point is whether she died a death she'd have preferred, given her condition.

And in that case, I think we might possibly have let her down...not allowing a more humane active passing, rather than having to resort to "natural" death by removal of hydration. That's a distortion of prinicples, implying that disAbled people are somehow kept alive "artificially" if they require assistance. Again, we must focus on the rights, not on the "natural/artificial" aspects.

[danamco]

And in that case, I think we might possibly have let her down...not allowing a more humane active passing, rather than having to resort to "natural" death by removal of hydration. That's a distortion of prinicples, implying that disAbled people are somehow kept alive "artificially" if they require assistance. Again, we must focus on the rights, not on the "natural/artificial" aspects.



If it was not for the real tragic of her murder, I would LOL of your post with it's kind of "liberal" leaning. However, since you are so eager to tell US that WE let her down, why don't go and read Mark Furhman's book? He worked specifically on the case for several months before her "death." I'm sure he knows far more about this case than you and I combined, because he was there. If you don't know who Mark Furhman is, check out the O.J. murder case!!!

[Gondring]

If it was not for the real tragic of her murder, I would LOL of your post with it's kind of "liberal" leaning.

It is liberal only in the classical sense, but I would say that it is a rather conservative notion to respect our Constitution and support an individual's rights and preferences without interference from the government or others. Perhaps you're one of the "new conservatives" who think you know better than others how to run their lives and want a Big Nanny overseeing us all, but that's not my definition of true conservatism.

If you don't know who Mark Furhman is, check out the O.J. murder case!!!

I know who he is. In fact, I even know how to spell his name.