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Prophet of Decline: An interview with Oriana Fallaci.
The Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal ^ | June 23, 2005 | Tunku Varadarajan

Posted on 06/22/2005 9:24:16 PM PDT by quidnunc

New York – Oriana Fallaci faces jail. In her mid-70s, stricken with a cancer that, for the moment, permits only the consumption of liquids — so yes, we drank champagne in the course of a three-hour interview — one of the most renowned journalists of the modern era has been indicted by a judge in her native Italy under provisions of the Italian Penal Code which proscribe the "vilipendio," or "vilification," of "any religion admitted by the state."

In her case, the religion deemed vilified is Islam, and the vilification was perpetrated, apparently, in a book she wrote last year — and which has sold many more than a million copies all over Europe — called "The Force of Reason." Its astringent thesis is that the Old Continent is on the verge of becoming a dominion of Islam, and that the people of the West have surrendered themselves fecklessly to the "sons of Allah." So in a nutshell, Oriana Fallaci faces up to two years' imprisonment for her beliefs — which is one reason why she has chosen to stay put in New York. Let us give thanks for the First Amendment.

It is a shame, in so many ways, that "vilipend," the latinate word that is the pinpoint equivalent in English of the Italian offense in question, is scarcely ever used in the Anglo-American lexicon; for it captures beautifully the pomposity, as well as the anachronistic outlandishness, of the law in question. A "vilification," by contrast, sounds so sordid, so tabloid — hardly fitting for a grande dame.

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(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: eurabia; europe; fallaci; islam; israel; isreal; italy; terrorism

1 posted on 06/22/2005 9:24:17 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

bttt, i'll be catching this one in the AM


2 posted on 06/22/2005 9:36:28 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: quidnunc
I always classified her as one of the antipatici but now I'm not so sure.
3 posted on 06/22/2005 9:45:50 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: quidnunc

The true voice of freedom. Maybe this will turn a few.


4 posted on 06/22/2005 9:46:58 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: quidnunc

Perhaps the homosexual married couples in Europe will stand up to defend against the invading Islamo-fascists. [irony]


5 posted on 06/22/2005 9:49:24 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: All

Do yourself a favor and read the whole article.

Very perceptive. So many pundits can't see past their noses, she sees across the centuries.


6 posted on 06/22/2005 10:00:09 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: quidnunc

My Dad bought all of us her book. She speaks the truth all of us know, and she speaks from experience. Anyone who believes what America is doing is right needs to read her.


7 posted on 06/22/2005 10:21:33 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: quidnunc

BUMP.......And....we have people concerned over our coddling terrorists at Gitmo....


8 posted on 06/22/2005 10:22:14 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: quidnunc

I wish she could be saved. She is a hero, a treasure. Few have such courage and insight. Shame about the atheism, of course.


9 posted on 06/22/2005 10:37:34 PM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that couldn't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition)
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To: DeFault User

2nd half gets real good


10 posted on 06/22/2005 10:41:26 PM PDT by spycatcher
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bookmark


11 posted on 06/22/2005 11:04:00 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: quidnunc

Fallaci was a socialist most of her life and may still one. But her eyes have been opened, though late in her career, to the greatest danger Europe faces. Perhaps it is her approach to death from cancer that allows her to see now the approaching death of Europe. But she proclaims this with the same vigor that she promoted left-wing politics with in the past. That she sees Ratzinger, a conservative pope, as one of the few men in Europe in whom she finds comfort, is astonishing.


12 posted on 06/22/2005 11:11:26 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: quidnunc
Great find, quid. What a woman! All I can answer to her well-founded pessimism is this - one hears an echo of this despair and this courage in Whittaker Chambers' Witness under similar circumstances. He did not live to see the victory of his country against the darkness and she will not live to see hers, if in fact it does happen. It is for we lesser souls to keep the faith that it will, and to do the necessary groundwork to see that it does.

Oriana Fallaci, salute!

13 posted on 06/22/2005 11:23:05 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ariamne; USF; Dark Skies; Alouette; Calpernia; jan in Colorado; Former Dodger; sarah_f; ...

WOW! Ping to --->

A magnificently honest interview, and a fabulous woman of penetrating vision. She has come nearly full circle in her life, almost to the extent that W. Chambers had.

Just damn! {said in a tone of admiration}

A.A.C.

islam is my enemy. the enemy of my enemy is my FRiend. it's that simple!


14 posted on 06/23/2005 1:16:40 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: stripes1776; quidnunc

astonishing, perhaps a matter of opinion. Reading the journal piece, within she proclaims what we know here, that forgetting the past dooms the future. Yet, within that same statement, she condemns herself by only going half-way; forgetting the past and forsaking God (which she chooses to do via her atheism) is the death knell of any nation of the West.

She freely admits to admiring "Ratzinger" - the atheist in her won't call him "Papa". Her admonishment about losing our history is notable for the absence of reference to Christianity which is core to Western Civ Culture...

Such incredible irony!!! If she were an astro-physicist, she could use the above "absence of light" in her observations of the universe to prove the existence of the "black hole" that she cannot (or wishes not to, as is more likely the case...) see!!!


15 posted on 06/23/2005 1:34:21 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: quidnunc
"Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder," the historian Arnold Toynbee wrote, and these words could certainly be Ms. Fallaci's.

Great piece. The logical conclusion of political correctness is societal extinction.

16 posted on 06/23/2005 2:10:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: quidnunc

Oriana Fallaci has traveled the long road from leftist communism to the Conservative right.

She is one of the most eloquent voices speaking on Europe, and the coming decline and downfall of Western Culture as Eurabia and Islamo-fascism rise.

Our prayers are with this great lady.


17 posted on 06/23/2005 2:32:21 AM PDT by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: quidnunc

Orriana F. is a hero.


18 posted on 06/23/2005 3:06:25 AM PDT by hershey
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To: quidnunc

Extremely well written article. It may be too late for Europe. America better wake up!


19 posted on 06/23/2005 5:37:21 AM PDT by NCSteve
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To: quidnunc
Also from the article:

An activist judge in Bergamo, in northern Italy, took it upon himself to admit a complaint against Ms. Fallaci that even the local prosecutors would not touch. The complainant, one Adel Smith--who, despite his name, is Muslim, and an incendiary public provocateur to boot--has a history of anti-Fallaci crankiness, and is widely believed to be behind the publication of a pamphlet, "Islam Punishes Oriana Fallaci," which exhorts Muslims to "eliminate" her. (Ironically, Mr. Smith, too, faces the peculiar charge of vilipendio against religion--Roman Catholicism in his case--after he described the Catholic Church as "a criminal organization" on television. Two years ago, he made news in Italy by filing suit for the removal of crucifixes from the walls of all public-school classrooms, and also, allegedly, for flinging a crucifix out of the window of a hospital room where his mother was being treated. "My mother will not die in a room where there is a crucifix," he said, according to hospital officials.)

20 posted on 06/23/2005 5:39:06 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: quidnunc
From the article:

"Look at the school system of the West today. Students do not know history! They don't, for Christ's sake. They don't know who Churchill was! In Italy, they don't even know who Cavour was!"--a reference to Count Camillo Benso di Cavour, the conservative father, with the radical Garibaldi, of Modern Italy.

21 posted on 06/23/2005 5:45:12 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: quidnunc
"You cannot survive if you do not know the past. We know why all the other civilizations have collapsed--from an excess of welfare, of richness, and from lack of morality, of spirituality." (She uses "welfare" here in the sense of well-being, so she is talking, really, of decadence.) "The moment you give up your principles, and your values . . . the moment you laugh at those principles, and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period."
22 posted on 06/23/2005 5:47:08 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Capriole

Her insights are very on target; however, the atheism begs the question - without God and the hope of a kingdom beyond this vale of tears, outside a concern for those yet to be born into this mortal coil and their brief, fleeting years on this earth - what difference would it make? Perhaps that is enough for her, I don't know. The very fact of what we see happening is enough for me to realize that if we only have hope in this frail, flimsy vapor of a life, then what a dismal, empty hope it is. Here's the secret: No government of man equals the government of God, and hitching your wagon to the star of man's government will always leave you bitter and unfulfilled.

To me, there is something more, something eternal at stake in all this that moves one beyond agony whenever they see truly horrible inroads being made by either the godless liberals or the Islamofascists that tear at the very fabric of true liberty and common decency. If the liberals and the rabid PCer's have their way, the freedom which this country has given us will be short lived. . and sad to say, what they do not see is that their existence as "liberals" will cease to be as well.


23 posted on 06/23/2005 6:25:44 AM PDT by Twinkie (Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost. Yes, that's all of us.)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 06/23/2005 7:00:15 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: AmericanArchConservative
Thanks for the ping.

...what torments her is the blithe way in which the West is marching toward its precipice of choice.

Europe may have voices of reason, but they are all to similar to the Cassandra of Greek mythology. They see whats happening very clearly, speak the truth, and warn of the dangers.

Sadly these warnings are often simply ignored...

25 posted on 06/23/2005 7:04:13 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: CGVet58
Yes, there are 'holes' and 'discrepancies' in what she says.

I am 49. If I am honest, there are holes in my faith, my love for Jesus, my understanding of God that you can certainly drive a truck - or tuck-bomb through. I know history, the Bible, doubt and the Quran.

She believes - I have read enough about her. Her heart is in her works.

26 posted on 06/23/2005 9:04:02 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: txzman

I will take your word for it, sir, as I do that of many other conservatives & reviewers who say the same thing. I also believe she knows what she writes about, and have read snips of her work.

A poster above this offered a keen insight - she may very well be a Cassandra, unheeded. My orig posting sought to remark that her atheism seems to render her otherwise penetrating insight practically blind, because she cannot see how important Christianity has been to Western Civilization as we know it.

Whittaker Chambers wrote about those who stand for something as opposed to those who stand against something; the latter usually never make an impression. If Oriana is atheist as she claims, and she stands against the dissolution of a continent whose nation-states have largely chosen a socio-political paradigm whose edifice rests upon an anti-God cornerstone, then I (humbly and hopefully, wrongly...) do not expect her efforts against islamization in europe to succeed. She stands against an invader who creeps throughout the house and holds a strong internal belief, and gains ground because the lord of the house himself has embraced a spiritually barren creed. But she hasn't spoken to this spiritual battle, because she herself does not believe in it.

Which begs the question: even if she were to know Christ, or at least acknowledge and demonstrate through her considerable powers of intellect that a Europe without Christ cannot survive, would her fellow europeans still heed the warning? I suspect not... the age-old struggle so ably described by others much better than I (Whittaker Chambers foreword in "WITNESS") still continues, and Europe has for so long fallen into the 'Man-as-God' trap that I don't think they will survive.

CoGard Vet ('76-2000) sends with respect & kinship,

CGVet58


27 posted on 06/23/2005 9:45:37 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: quidnunc

BTTT


28 posted on 06/23/2005 10:11:31 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: quidnunc

Here is a good review of the book that offended the towel turners:

Forceful Reason
Fallaci issues a wake-up call to Europe.

By Lorenzo Vidino

“Oriana Fallaci" is not a household name in the United States, but it cannot be uttered in Europe without generating a heated reaction. Even though her 2002 book, The Rage and the Pride, was translated into English (by Fallaci herself) and sold many copies in the U.S., it was on the other side of the ocean that intellectuals, politicians, and ordinary citizens passionately debated the views of the celebrated Italian journalist.


The Rage and the Pride is either loved or hated; the positions Fallaci takes in it leave no middle ground. Outraged by the events of 9/11, Fallaci criticizes both Muslims (bent, according to her, on conquering the West and annihilating its culture) and Europeans (described as spoiled, hypocritical, and blind to the mortal threat represented by Islamic expansionism). Fallaci's views as expressed in the Rage and the Pride caused an uproar in politically correct Europe, death threats and lawsuits included. Now, two years later, Fallaci has published a new book, entitled La Forza della Ragione (The Force of Reason), which continues the discourse she began in The Rage and the Pride.

As its title suggests, The Force of Reason is not dictated by the (sometimes excessive) fury that inspired The Rage and the Pride, but it gives a more accurate explanation of why Europe has decided not to defend its identity and to surrender to what she calls the "Islamic invasion." With the sarcasm and uniquely direct style that characterizes her work, Fallaci carefully examines the historic and political reasons that have led Europeans to vilify their own culture, consistently embrace anti-Americanism, and pander to every request from the increasingly powerful Muslim communities that populate the dying Old Continent. Her analysis does not leave much hope for the future of Europe, although she takes a far more optimistic position on her adoptive country, the United States (Fallaci currently lives in New York).

The long introduction to The Force of Reason recounts the intellectual lynching to which Fallaci was subjected following the publication of The Rage and the Pride. The PC establishment, which she refers to as the "Modern Inquisition," crucified her, submerging her with lawsuits and accusations of being racist and fomenting a religious war. But all of this publicity just played into Fallaci's hands, as sales of The Rage and the Pride soared into the millions. But what has really struck Fallaci in the wake of The Rage and the Pride are the letters she has received from readers throughout the world.

One of the most significant was written by an Italian, who thanked her for "helping me to understand the things I thought without realizing I was thinking them." And this is Fallaci's goal: provoking Europeans into realizing what is going on right under their noses and getting rid of their fear to say something that goes against the PC dogma. According to Fallaci, the "Modern Inquisition" has managed to keep individuals in fear of expressing what they believe: "If you are a Westerner and you say that your civilization is superior, the most developed that this planet has ever seen, you go to the stake. But if you are a son of Allah or one of their collaborationists and you say that Islam has always been a superior civilization, a ray of light...nobody touches you. Nobody sues you. Nobody condemns you."

Fallaci has her own interpretation of the massive Islamic immigration that is rapidly changing the face of European cities. She sees it as part of the expansionism that has characterized Islam since its birth. After reminding the reader how Islamic armies have aimed for centuries at the heart of Europe (a part of history that is not taught anymore in Europe, since it would offend the sensitivity of Muslim pupils), reaching France, Poland, and Vienna, she lays out her case, claiming that the current flood of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa is part of a carefully planned strategy. Fallaci uses the words of Muslim leaders to support this thesis.

In 1974, former Algerian President Houari Boumedienne said in a speech at the U.N.: "One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory." In other words, says Fallaci, what Islamic armies have not been able to do with force in more than 1,000 years can be achieved in less than a century through high birth rates. She cites as evidence a 1975 meeting of Islamic countries in Lahore, in which they announced their project to transform the flow of Muslim immigrants in Europe in "demographic preponderance."

The "sons of Allah," as Fallaci calls them, do not make a secret of their plans. A Catholic bishop recounted that, during an interfaith meeting in Turkey, a respected Muslim cleric told the crowd: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you. Thanks to our Islamic laws we will conquer you." But what really makes Fallaci's blood boil is the West's inability to even acknowledge this aggression. A large part of her book is dedicated to analyzing how the main European countries pander to the arrogant demands of radical Muslim organizations, how they are unable to defend their Jewish citizens from acts of Islamic militant violence (often blamed on neo-Nazis and almost never on the Muslim perpetrators, even when the evidence clearly proves otherwise), and said countries' unwillingness to be proud of their cultures and identities.

But when and why did Europe become so weak and submissive in the face of its new Islamic masters, a "province of Islam," as Fallaci calls it? She points the finger squarely at the 1973 oil crisis. Europeans were so afraid of losing their supplies of oil that they decided to pander to the requests of OPEC, discarding Israel and beginning an intense dialogue with Arab countries. From that year on, intellectuals, the media, and politicians have been showered with money for their support of Arab and Islamic causes and numerous lobbying organizations have been created in several European countries. A publication with the ominous title of "Eurabia [about which Bat Yeor has written at length] was created in Paris, and the European parliament established the Parliamentary Association for the Euro-Arabian Cooperation, all part of an Arab-financed effort to influence European politics.

The last chapters of The Force of Reason are dedicated to explaining why Europe's three main political and social forces (Left, Right, and the Church) gave in to what she calls "the Islamic invasion." While Fallaci accuses the Left and Right mostly of ignorance and opportunism, her harshest words are left for the Church. Fallaci has been known throughout her long career for her strong anti-clericalism (she is a long-time leftist, daughter of an Italian partisan who fought the Fascists), but describes herself as a "Christian atheist." While stating that she does not believe in God, she claims that the West cannot ignore its Christian origin and identity. Even if we deny God's existence, Fallaci says, Christianity has shaped the Western world. It defines "who we are, where we are coming from, and where we are going."

But the Church, she says, is not able — or worse, not willing — to defend Christianity. Fallaci accuses the Church of helping the expansion of the "Islamic empire," lobbying for more Muslims to come to Europe. She points out that Christianity offers its churches as shelters to Muslim immigrants, who immediately turn them into mosques, as it has happened repeatedly in France and Italy. It continuously apologizes for the Crusades, but never expects an apology for what Muslims are doing now to Christians in Sudan or Indonesia.

Amid Fallaci's bleak vision for Europe, however, a ray of hope comes from America. In a very emotional last chapter, Fallaci describes her admiration in witnessing the 2004 New Year's Eve celebrations in Times Square. In a sharp contrast with the fear-constrained Europeans, thousands of New Yorkers decided to defy the Code Orange terror alert and party hard in the face of the terrorists. Proud to honor itself, young and determined, America is perceived by Fallaci as the only hope for the West. In this unprovoked cultural war that has been waged on the West, America should lead the way, but it cannot do it alone. According to Fallaci, the West has not realized that it is under attack, and that this war "wants to hit our soul rather than our body. Our way of life, our philosophy of life. Our way of thinking, acting and loving. Our freedom. Do not be fooled by their explosives. That is just a strategy. The terrorists, the kamikazes, do not kill us just for the sake of killing us. They kill us to bend us. To intimidate us, tire us, demoralize us, blackmail us."

Movingly passionate, The Force of Reason is a desperate wake-up call for the West and for Europe in particular. In Italy, despite a complete silence from the media (who have decided not to make the same mistake they made with The Rage and the Pride, when their criticism made the book's sales skyrocket) the book has sold a half million copies in just two weeks. A translation into English is imminent, making The Force of Reason readily accessible for those in the U.S. who want to learn more about the dire situation Europe faces.

— Lorenzo Vidino is a research analyst for the Investigative Project


29 posted on 06/23/2005 10:12:56 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: quidnunc

Oriana is very worth reading, always soul stirring and passionate. Thanks for posting.


30 posted on 06/23/2005 10:14:52 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day.)
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To: Ros42

ping


31 posted on 06/23/2005 10:16:14 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day.)
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To: hershey

She is a hero and a TRUE PROPHET, i.e., her words must be heeded.


32 posted on 06/23/2005 10:17:47 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day.)
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To: quidnunc

One does not have to agree with all she believes or says to admire her willingness to stand up to Evil. Thanks Oriana we will miss you.


33 posted on 06/23/2005 10:19:16 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: txzman
I am 49. If I am honest, there are holes in my faith, my love for Jesus, my understanding of God that you can certainly drive a truck - or tuck-bomb through. I know history, the Bible, doubt and the Quran.

From your lips to G*ds ear. Amen.

You do not stand alone.
34 posted on 06/23/2005 10:19:29 AM PDT by baystaterebel (F/8 and be there!)
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To: quidnunc

Falacci is a very compelling writer. I waited about a year after 9/11 to read Rage and Pride, but when I finished, all the rage was right back, and I walked around soooo angry for days. We forget too easily. Falacci should be required reading in all colleges. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.


35 posted on 06/23/2005 10:26:59 AM PDT by vharlow (http://www.vventures.net)
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To: vharlow

BUMP!

I hate it when fascinating stories are posted in the middle of the night ( I awaken at 4:30 am each day)


36 posted on 06/23/2005 10:52:27 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: quidnunc

The sons of Allah, she points out, do not make a secret of their plans. A Catholic bishop recounted that, during an interfaith meeting in Turkey, a respected Muslim cleric told the crowd: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you. Thanks to our Islamic laws we will conquer you."

OK all of you muzzie sympathizers out there..tell me again how nice your muzzie friends are again. Really, I look forward to your half-baked comments.

Great article, thanks!


37 posted on 06/23/2005 11:02:27 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thanks for the ping...I just love her! Great article!!


38 posted on 06/23/2005 11:18:43 AM PDT by Ros42
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To: quidnunc

Only one word to describe her: FANTATSIC!!!!


39 posted on 06/23/2005 11:54:14 AM PDT by an italian (God bless all the b in the world... Bush, Berlusconi and Blair...)
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To: CGVet58

Many in Europe and here have converted to Islam.

Why? I believe it's because of the intensity of the belief system, the mysticism, the pull toward the spiritual, that most Christian churches are lacking today. There's no passion there - and that's what pulls people in, especially young people. It's like the welfare state lite. It just repeats the earthly homilies (give to the poor) without any spiritual content (honor God).

No, not just honor God: Love Him, with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your strength. That would be considered uncool and corny.

Something will always beat Nothing. And the mainline churches today are awfully close to Nothing!


40 posted on 06/23/2005 1:35:44 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: Shazolene; don-o
Check out this section:

"I feel less alone when I read the books of Ratzinger." I had asked Ms. Fallaci whether there was any contemporary leader she admired, and Pope Benedict XVI was evidently a man in whom she reposed some trust. "I am an atheist, and if an atheist and a pope think the same things, there must be something true. It's that simple! There must be some human truth here that is beyond religion."

Ms. Fallaci, who made her name by interviewing numerous statesmen (and not a few tyrants), believes that ours is "an age without leaders. We stopped having leaders at the end of the 20th century." Of George Bush, she will concede only that he has "vigor," and that he is "obstinate" (in her book a compliment) and "gutsy. . . . Nobody obliged him to do anything about Terri

But it is "Ratzinger" (as she insists on calling the pope) who is her soulmate. John Paul II--"Wojtyla"--was a "warrior, who did more to end the Soviet Union than even America," but she will not forgive him for his "weakness toward the Islamic world. Why, why was he so weak?"

The scant hopes that she has for the West she rests on his successor. As a cardinal, Pope Benedict XVI wrote frequently on the European (and the Western) condition. Last year, he wrote an essay titled "If Europe Hates Itself," from which Ms. Fallaci reads this to me: "The West reveals . . . a hatred of itself, which is strange and can only be considered pathological; the West . . . no longer loves itself; in its own history, it now sees only what is deplorable and destructive, while it is no longer able to perceive what is great and pure."

"Ecco!" she says. A man after her own heart. "Ecco!" But I cannot be certain whether I see triumph in her eyes, or pain.

What a thought. Fallaci-Ratzinger. Patrons of Europe.

41 posted on 06/23/2005 2:06:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Imple superna gratia, quae tu creasti pectora. Amen.)
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To: quidnunc

God save the GREAT FALLACI!


42 posted on 06/23/2005 2:39:21 PM PDT by abu afak (abuafak@yahoo.ie)
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To: quidnunc

bttt


43 posted on 07/05/2005 7:06:12 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
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