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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: elli1
You're merely annoyed because I have pointed out that there are other possible explanations for some of the behaviors of the principles in this story other than the ones that have been sworn into evidence on this thread.

Wrong again. I'm annoyed with people who can't use deductive reasoning after reading ALL of the information on this thread. Either you haven't read everything, or you're defense atty or wanna be who is fantasizing about defending the VDS's.

3,901 posted on 06/28/2005 5:53:14 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Hi Bunny slippers. HI = Holiday Inn.


3,902 posted on 06/28/2005 5:54:01 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: WestCoastGal

I think the lighthouse story was to extend the timeline also.


3,903 posted on 06/28/2005 5:54:51 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: johnb838

John the feeling is mutual, I would have fired for affect on that POS so hard&fast that he would have been hollering, "ya'll quit." NSNR


3,904 posted on 06/28/2005 5:56:44 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: cajungirl

Roger that with a big 10-4. NSNR


3,905 posted on 06/28/2005 5:58:09 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Canadian Outrage

That's what I guessed. Hey, anyone notice that Ashley Banfield is back? She's doing Court TV!


3,906 posted on 06/28/2005 5:58:20 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ( )
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To: BunnySlippers

Ashley Banfield has been there awhile.

Works behind the scenes mainly.

Fills in for anchors, when needed.


3,907 posted on 06/28/2005 6:00:53 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Carolinamom

Does anyone have a factual answer?

Posted several times & apparently unread by many--Mrs. VDS is an art teacher at the International School. PVDS is or was an Aruban gov't employee. Dual incomes/ probably doing OK but not wealthy unless they have inherited money & I've read nothing one way or the other about that.

3,908 posted on 06/28/2005 6:03:54 PM PDT by elli1
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To: the Deejay

Figures. I never watch CTV ... just checking in for Aruba news.


3,909 posted on 06/28/2005 6:07:23 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ( )
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To: Canadian Outrage
The item I struggle with is how was Natalle's body disposed of in a couple of hours. It appears to me that the gang (the four arrested) probably planned a gang rape and that they had a fall back plan for murder / body disposal / cover story. Highly unlikely one young suspect would have been able kill Natalle and dispose of her body in a couple of hours without having a plan and help. It makes me sick to think they may walk, but that appears to be what the Arubans plan.
3,910 posted on 06/28/2005 6:08:39 PM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: spectre

"OTOH, I have yet to hear how gracious it was for Paul Van Der Sloot to invite Beth and Greta into their home for a 90 minute talk."

I'll give PVDS credit for inviting Greta and Beth into his house this past week. However, that fact doesn't change his behavior when he told his son to say nothing. Also, he had cameras in his face. Was he going to say NO and have it on tape for all to see?

Let's face it. It's highly unlikely for Natalee to have come in contact with another person after being with Juran. By their own admission, they were with her until at least 2AM. I'd say it's almost slime to none that another person got Natalee.

Having said that, I guess anything is possible, but who had the motive, or opportunity??? Juran and the other two lied. We're now hearing the father of Juran may have invented the whole LYING story. Why??? My guess is those kids haven't cracked due to the days and days of PVDS telling them to SAY NOTHING. Due to lunacy, he had at least 9 days to program Juran and the two brothers, into silence.

I know most here don't think Natalee was sold, but it too is possible. That would account for Juran and the other two, plus the Dad keeping their mouth shut. If they sold her and told the authoriites to whom, they might find their throats slit like the other guy. Which reminds me. Who killed him and why???

Sadly at this point, the only hope that Natalee is alive, is if she were sold and taken off the island, imo. I'm still hoping and praying for the miracle of Natalee being found alive and well.


3,911 posted on 06/28/2005 6:11:46 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Excellent post, NSNR~~!!!!!!! I agree with you 1000%!!


3,912 posted on 06/28/2005 6:13:43 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: TexKat
"Why is the finger being pointed at Joran? Because he's the son of a judge?" she asked.

No, because your little "saint" was the last person to see Natalee and lied about it! BTW, your husband isn't a judge according to Aruban authorities.

3,913 posted on 06/28/2005 6:14:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: gingersnaps

Am I in a time warp that continually repeats the same cr@p, or what? Many of us are bone tired of repeating ourselves answering the same redundant posts. If you want to keep up, you need to study up.


3,914 posted on 06/28/2005 6:16:35 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Malichi

Malachi, we can lead some horses to water, but we can't make think. Have a great evening, NSNR


3,915 posted on 06/28/2005 6:17:55 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Yes that's a good point. If some of these excusers ever experienced the hell and frustration that the Twitty family and Holloway family are experiencing now, they might think very differently.

God Almighty gives us discernment and I know when I watched those interviews Mr. Van der Sloot was so uncomfortable it was almost painful to watch. He had no sorrow, no shame, just plain discomfort with the situation. He couldn't get it over fast enough. He was treading water just wanting it to be over and not wanting to say ANYTHING. He didn't even look at Beth or Greta when they were speaking to him, instead his flitty wife just kept jabbering nonsense.


3,916 posted on 06/28/2005 6:21:26 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: cajungirl
I went even further & said that if a group (somewhere between 8 & 11 of them) of horn-honking, yelling foreigners were outside my door at 3 am, demanding to see my 17 year old son, they would have been met by Old Bess.

You fail to recognize that the people inside the house have NO idea who is outside or what the hell they want. Somehow the idea that a PO is with them makes it 'OK'. To some. The person inside doesn't necessarily know A. That a police officer is there; B. If the person in a uniform is a real police officer; C. If the PO is arresting the people making the disturbance. All you know is that there is an adversarial situation in your front yard and that it is happening right now. And that is not a situation where a Welcome mat gets rolled out.

To understand this, you can't look at it with 20/20 hindsight. You have to try to see it as it was happening.

3,917 posted on 06/28/2005 6:21:28 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Assmotion

Checkout Ruben Trapenberg, Government Spokesman in this slideshow at Assmotion.com yall!!

3,918 posted on 06/28/2005 6:22:37 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Yes I did notice she's back.


3,919 posted on 06/28/2005 6:23:30 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Toespi
I would say that to a vigilante stepfather and his five friends from Alabama and two policemen from Aruba who have probably been tipped pretty handsomely who decided to take matters into their own hands.

Well, you can say what you have to say to a friend of Natalee's aunt. That would be me. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

3,920 posted on 06/28/2005 6:23:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: RememberTheAlamo

Roger That. NSNR


3,921 posted on 06/28/2005 6:24:27 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Canadian Outrage
It was the persistence of the parents that kept this bunch up all night. That kid lied about where he was when the father first phoned him. He wasn't at the spot he said he was gambling. This is the kind of evidence that the Prosecution has against this kid PLUS all the surveillance and cell records and computer hard drives. Plus a rather Large amount of LIES!!

I wish I had your confidence that the prosecution was really collecting all of this damning evidence against Joran. This entire mess stinks to high heaven of a cover-up. The Dutch are known to protect their own, and I believe that to be the case in this instance.

3,922 posted on 06/28/2005 6:25:33 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: maggiefluffs; brigette
From SM:

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:09 pm

Post subject:

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Quote:

Nope. But here's Mr. Ruben Trachtenberg (sp) at the same site -- assmotion, the rave party site....

I read on the site about 30,000 post ago that Ruben was a DJ? He can go RAVE if he wants to.

3,923 posted on 06/28/2005 6:26:28 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: auboy

Only a liberal would refer to an upset parent as a vigilante.

Not 'an' upset parent...a group of somewhere between 8 & 11 people outside the door...honking, yelling. Which is sufficient to upset the parent on the inside of the door.

3,924 posted on 06/28/2005 6:26:36 PM PDT by elli1
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To: cajungirl; Toespi
You purposely mischaracterize the hunt of a desperate terrified family to suit your paranoid raving.

That's putting it kindly.

3,925 posted on 06/28/2005 6:26:39 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: LongViewSC

Exactly right. It's simply NOT possible. There absolutely WAS complicity in this crime. And I do NOT believe that Natalee is just hanging around somewhere waiting to be found. It's obvious she didn't live past May 30th. The biggest crime here is the long DELAY in getting going on the real suspects. They had ELEVEN days to get rid of things. A real search didn't start for a few days. The Aruban Police force and government don't appear to be able to organize a two man rush to the Sh*thouse!! (Sorry) but I'm MAD.!!


3,926 posted on 06/28/2005 6:27:34 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Pepper777

Hi Pepper. You know I heard someone early on say, "just watch, those two brothers are being set up to take the fall for the Dutch brat"!! Because Deepak had the car it is certainly possible. However, it was NOT the brothers that were with Natalee. That was witnessed by many people including some of Natalee's classmates.


3,927 posted on 06/28/2005 6:30:48 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Canadian Outrage


The new information has explained a lot to me. That Godson connection with the police chief.


3,928 posted on 06/28/2005 6:31:49 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: kcvl

I know, can you get over these people going on with this Judge LIE???? This alone says a great deal about their LACK of character.


3,929 posted on 06/28/2005 6:32:11 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: elli1
To understand this, you can't look at it with 20/20 hindsight. You have to try to see it as it was happening.

to the mother of a missing daughter.

3,930 posted on 06/28/2005 6:32:26 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: johnb838
he's going to kick her butt in front of her parents for getting everybody in trouble

When hell freezes over. The punk better hope they don't find Natalee's body. While trying to be a smart *ss he just showed he doesn't have a problem beating up women. There are few thousand people just wanting him to cross their path. Let's see him "kick butt" then.

3,931 posted on 06/28/2005 6:32:43 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: the Deejay; toldyou

NH is dead and her dad is on his way to view the body.

Sounds like the report from a couple of weeks ago. I think you were on an old page. RWV is kinda' hinky...I haven't figured it out, but you can very easily get onto a cached version. Sounds like that's what happened here.

3,932 posted on 06/28/2005 6:33:43 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Pepper777
I'll give PVDS credit for inviting Greta and Beth into his house this past week.
    Consider this scenario:
  1. Anita had just returned and he told her they had nothing to do with it ...
  2. Beth and Greta are out knocking and Anita hears the racket and sends Paulus out to let them in.
  3. He hides behind the bushes hoping they'll leave and he can tell Anita they had already left
  4. But they see him and he is too nervous to take that chance and plant any seeds of doubt in Anita's mind
  5. He figures he can outplay them at this
  6. Anita drops some info in the interview that leads to tips Beth off and leads to his arrest ...
  7. Someone assigns a new judge to the case who promptly (almost on time) releases him ...

3,933 posted on 06/28/2005 6:35:46 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: jacquej

Jaquej, thank you for the response and this is the battle between Ariman vs Ahura Mazda.(Good vs Evil) Good will triumph over evil.

As Emerson wrote, "Evil Only Triumphs When Good Men Do Nothing." In reality, Emerson should have included Women in that quote. Good Men&Women of all races will fight together in destroying evil. NSNR


3,934 posted on 06/28/2005 6:36:15 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Jug Twitty stated on H&C that he did not know if PVDS has all the answers.


3,935 posted on 06/28/2005 6:36:20 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: demkicker

Well I'm not sure I'm as confident anymore except I did watch the spokeswoman from the Prosecutors office last night and she indicated that for each extension of time in prison that is granted, their office MUST produce more evidence than at the previous appearance. Remember they did do surveillance. My hope is that it started quite early like in the first few days. However, NOT seizing cars etc. is a concern. The car Natalee was riding in was apparently thoroughly cleaned.


3,936 posted on 06/28/2005 6:37:04 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Good to see you Canadian. :) Yes, it was Juran who was with Natalee. The two brothers may actually know what happened though. If Juran and his Dad can blame others they will do so, imo.

Greta just reported that Deepak said Paul VDS knows something, but I didn't get what it was. ???


3,937 posted on 06/28/2005 6:39:43 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: WestCoastGal
Paul van der Sloot is NOT a suspect anymore; he doesn't want the Dutch media to call him "Paul van der S.", he wants them to use his full last name.

How about sick *astard. Will that do?!

He knows the authorities very well.

No *hit, Sherlock! One of the lead "investigators" is Juran's Godfather.

3,938 posted on 06/28/2005 6:39:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Pepper777

Thank you. NSNR


3,939 posted on 06/28/2005 6:40:32 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: LongViewSC

It makes me sick to think they may walk, but that appears to be what the Arubans plan.

From the beginning of this I felt like every Aruban spokesperson, official and otherwise was putting on a great big 'dog and pony' show for us. They d/n want to know what happened especially since it looks like several of their own are involved. The claims of a relatively crime free island are the result of the ostrich theory of management.

There are no rivers on Aruba from what I could see on the various maps. Looks like the natives are trying to make one of their own--De-Nial.

3,940 posted on 06/28/2005 6:40:56 PM PDT by Tarheel ( Carolina on my mind)
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To: onyx

Yes that really set me on my duff when I heard it this morning!!! THAT, is an outright CONFLICT right there. It should have been removed from this man's jurisdiction IMMEDIATELY. The Island is small, and everyone knows who everyone is. How do they have the nerve to try to portray to us that they are doing a fair and good job??


3,941 posted on 06/28/2005 6:41:54 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Toespi
I found Jug Twitty to be petty and self-absorbed which was my observation and opinion and frankly, I am ususally right.

You aren't right about that.

3,942 posted on 06/28/2005 6:44:33 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Hannity & Colmes: Jugs friend from Atlanta with the voice analysis device is in Aruba. Jug has asked the Aruba LE if this device can be used as an interrogation tool and Jug stated that he believed the Aruban LE is in agreement.


3,943 posted on 06/28/2005 6:45:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: brigette
Arubans for Arubans? Put your own people first?

Here's a song written long ago by calypso singer Lord Kitchner (1922-2000):

Your Own Comes First

If I talk again it could drive me mad
I try to talk to the people of Trinidad
If I talk again it could set me mad
I'm tired if talkin' to the people of Trinidad
All kinds of people come and doin' well
And you the Trinidadians only catchin' hell
How many times do you want to be told
Your own comes first all over the world

If you think I lie, I invite you please
Just take a trip through the West Indies
Make your first stop at Grenada
Tell them that you come to look for labor
If you miss and say you're from Trinidad
They lick you from Grenada down to Fyzabad
But you can't blame them on a whole
My friend, that's the policy of the world

So, Granadians for Granadians
Jamaicians for Jamaicians
Even Barbados take the same route
Trinidadians, buck up and follow suit
Well now you really lookin' for blows
If you think you goin' anchor in Barbados
The Bajuns goin' tell you you bloomin' fast
Don't you know Bajuns first and outsiders last
Then you heist your anchor to Jamaica
Feelin' that your chances might be better
But as I've led you to understand
Boy, we only have work here for Jamaicans

I'm not all selfish, I love to give
And I believe in the slogan live and let live
If the other islands aren't doin' that
Well I don't see why we should be Miss Howard's cat
It's time to go into the reverse
Do like other nations put your people first
You must do as you are told
Or you would be the laughing stock of the world

3,944 posted on 06/28/2005 6:45:31 PM PDT by gg188
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To: af_vet_1981

Well put because that was exactly what happened. This coward really was hiding in the bushes in his yard. I heard Beth say, Hey you behind the bush!! Then he struts out, "come in"


3,945 posted on 06/28/2005 6:45:41 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: TexKat

How interesting. Jug has some powerful friends and they are NOT giving up.


3,946 posted on 06/28/2005 6:46:39 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Pepper777

Pepper he and his son had the brothers go along with the Holiday Inn drop off LIE!!


3,947 posted on 06/28/2005 6:47:27 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Canadian Outrage


Exactly. Colossal nerve and I suspected relations would arise. No different from Cayman Islands where everyone is either a cousin or a cousin by marriage.


3,948 posted on 06/28/2005 6:50:01 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: demkicker

Wrong again. I'm annoyed with people who can't use deductive reasoning after reading ALL of the information on this thread

Ah--that splains a lot. I've read everything on this thread and the two threads that proceeded it as well as material from other sources. The problem with 'the information' on this thread (and elsewhere) is that a good deal of it is unsubstantiated and/or outright false and a lot of good people are having problems separating the unreliable & bogus from the reasonably reliable. Deductive reasoning derived from subjective analysis that excludes consideration of objective possible alternatives is likely to yield an illogical conclusion.

3,949 posted on 06/28/2005 6:50:21 PM PDT by elli1
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To: TexKat

Good!! The Aruban Government are under the spotlight right now and after a month of it, it's probably getting mighty hot. This Island SURVIVES on American tourist dollars. They have a LOT to loose and Beth Twitty doesn't strike me as one that will leave without answers.


3,950 posted on 06/28/2005 6:51:33 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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