Skip to comments.Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
San Nicolas Street Map
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
Manchebo Beach Area Map
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
Aruba Diving Location Maps
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE
Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)
This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.
Wrong again. I'm annoyed with people who can't use deductive reasoning after reading ALL of the information on this thread. Either you haven't read everything, or you're defense atty or wanna be who is fantasizing about defending the VDS's.
Hi Bunny slippers. HI = Holiday Inn.
I think the lighthouse story was to extend the timeline also.
John the feeling is mutual, I would have fired for affect on that POS so hard&fast that he would have been hollering, "ya'll quit." NSNR
Roger that with a big 10-4. NSNR
That's what I guessed. Hey, anyone notice that Ashley Banfield is back? She's doing Court TV!
Ashley Banfield has been there awhile.
Works behind the scenes mainly.
Fills in for anchors, when needed.
Does anyone have a factual answer?
Posted several times & apparently unread by many--Mrs. VDS is an art teacher at the International School. PVDS is or was an Aruban gov't employee. Dual incomes/ probably doing OK but not wealthy unless they have inherited money & I've read nothing one way or the other about that.
Figures. I never watch CTV ... just checking in for Aruba news.
"OTOH, I have yet to hear how gracious it was for Paul Van Der Sloot to invite Beth and Greta into their home for a 90 minute talk."
I'll give PVDS credit for inviting Greta and Beth into his house this past week. However, that fact doesn't change his behavior when he told his son to say nothing. Also, he had cameras in his face. Was he going to say NO and have it on tape for all to see?
Let's face it. It's highly unlikely for Natalee to have come in contact with another person after being with Juran. By their own admission, they were with her until at least 2AM. I'd say it's almost slime to none that another person got Natalee.
Having said that, I guess anything is possible, but who had the motive, or opportunity??? Juran and the other two lied. We're now hearing the father of Juran may have invented the whole LYING story. Why??? My guess is those kids haven't cracked due to the days and days of PVDS telling them to SAY NOTHING. Due to lunacy, he had at least 9 days to program Juran and the two brothers, into silence.
I know most here don't think Natalee was sold, but it too is possible. That would account for Juran and the other two, plus the Dad keeping their mouth shut. If they sold her and told the authoriites to whom, they might find their throats slit like the other guy. Which reminds me. Who killed him and why???
Sadly at this point, the only hope that Natalee is alive, is if she were sold and taken off the island, imo. I'm still hoping and praying for the miracle of Natalee being found alive and well.
Excellent post, NSNR~~!!!!!!! I agree with you 1000%!!
No, because your little "saint" was the last person to see Natalee and lied about it! BTW, your husband isn't a judge according to Aruban authorities.
Am I in a time warp that continually repeats the same cr@p, or what? Many of us are bone tired of repeating ourselves answering the same redundant posts. If you want to keep up, you need to study up.
Malachi, we can lead some horses to water, but we can't make think. Have a great evening, NSNR
Yes that's a good point. If some of these excusers ever experienced the hell and frustration that the Twitty family and Holloway family are experiencing now, they might think very differently.
God Almighty gives us discernment and I know when I watched those interviews Mr. Van der Sloot was so uncomfortable it was almost painful to watch. He had no sorrow, no shame, just plain discomfort with the situation. He couldn't get it over fast enough. He was treading water just wanting it to be over and not wanting to say ANYTHING. He didn't even look at Beth or Greta when they were speaking to him, instead his flitty wife just kept jabbering nonsense.
You fail to recognize that the people inside the house have NO idea who is outside or what the hell they want. Somehow the idea that a PO is with them makes it 'OK'. To some. The person inside doesn't necessarily know A. That a police officer is there; B. If the person in a uniform is a real police officer; C. If the PO is arresting the people making the disturbance. All you know is that there is an adversarial situation in your front yard and that it is happening right now. And that is not a situation where a Welcome mat gets rolled out.
To understand this, you can't look at it with 20/20 hindsight. You have to try to see it as it was happening.
Checkout Ruben Trapenberg, Government Spokesman in this slideshow at Assmotion.com yall!!
Yes I did notice she's back.
Well, you can say what you have to say to a friend of Natalee's aunt. That would be me. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Roger That. NSNR
I wish I had your confidence that the prosecution was really collecting all of this damning evidence against Joran. This entire mess stinks to high heaven of a cover-up. The Dutch are known to protect their own, and I believe that to be the case in this instance.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:09 pm
Nope. But here's Mr. Ruben Trachtenberg (sp) at the same site -- assmotion, the rave party site....
I read on the site about 30,000 post ago that Ruben was a DJ? He can go RAVE if he wants to.
Only a liberal would refer to an upset parent as a vigilante.
Not 'an' upset parent...a group of somewhere between 8 & 11 people outside the door...honking, yelling. Which is sufficient to upset the parent on the inside of the door.
That's putting it kindly.
Exactly right. It's simply NOT possible. There absolutely WAS complicity in this crime. And I do NOT believe that Natalee is just hanging around somewhere waiting to be found. It's obvious she didn't live past May 30th. The biggest crime here is the long DELAY in getting going on the real suspects. They had ELEVEN days to get rid of things. A real search didn't start for a few days. The Aruban Police force and government don't appear to be able to organize a two man rush to the Sh*thouse!! (Sorry) but I'm MAD.!!
Hi Pepper. You know I heard someone early on say, "just watch, those two brothers are being set up to take the fall for the Dutch brat"!! Because Deepak had the car it is certainly possible. However, it was NOT the brothers that were with Natalee. That was witnessed by many people including some of Natalee's classmates.
The new information has explained a lot to me. That Godson connection with the police chief.
I know, can you get over these people going on with this Judge LIE???? This alone says a great deal about their LACK of character.
to the mother of a missing daughter.
When hell freezes over. The punk better hope they don't find Natalee's body. While trying to be a smart *ss he just showed he doesn't have a problem beating up women. There are few thousand people just wanting him to cross their path. Let's see him "kick butt" then.
NH is dead and her dad is on his way to view the body.
Sounds like the report from a couple of weeks ago. I think you were on an old page. RWV is kinda' hinky...I haven't figured it out, but you can very easily get onto a cached version. Sounds like that's what happened here.
Jaquej, thank you for the response and this is the battle between Ariman vs Ahura Mazda.(Good vs Evil) Good will triumph over evil.
As Emerson wrote, "Evil Only Triumphs When Good Men Do Nothing." In reality, Emerson should have included Women in that quote. Good Men&Women of all races will fight together in destroying evil. NSNR
Jug Twitty stated on H&C that he did not know if PVDS has all the answers.
Well I'm not sure I'm as confident anymore except I did watch the spokeswoman from the Prosecutors office last night and she indicated that for each extension of time in prison that is granted, their office MUST produce more evidence than at the previous appearance. Remember they did do surveillance. My hope is that it started quite early like in the first few days. However, NOT seizing cars etc. is a concern. The car Natalee was riding in was apparently thoroughly cleaned.
Good to see you Canadian. :) Yes, it was Juran who was with Natalee. The two brothers may actually know what happened though. If Juran and his Dad can blame others they will do so, imo.
Greta just reported that Deepak said Paul VDS knows something, but I didn't get what it was. ???
How about sick *astard. Will that do?!
He knows the authorities very well.
No *hit, Sherlock! One of the lead "investigators" is Juran's Godfather.
Thank you. NSNR
It makes me sick to think they may walk, but that appears to be what the Arubans plan.
From the beginning of this I felt like every Aruban spokesperson, official and otherwise was putting on a great big 'dog and pony' show for us. They d/n want to know what happened especially since it looks like several of their own are involved. The claims of a relatively crime free island are the result of the ostrich theory of management.
There are no rivers on Aruba from what I could see on the various maps. Looks like the natives are trying to make one of their own--De-Nial.
Yes that really set me on my duff when I heard it this morning!!! THAT, is an outright CONFLICT right there. It should have been removed from this man's jurisdiction IMMEDIATELY. The Island is small, and everyone knows who everyone is. How do they have the nerve to try to portray to us that they are doing a fair and good job??
You aren't right about that.
Hannity & Colmes: Jugs friend from Atlanta with the voice analysis device is in Aruba. Jug has asked the Aruba LE if this device can be used as an interrogation tool and Jug stated that he believed the Aruban LE is in agreement.
Your Own Comes First
If I talk again it could drive me mad
I try to talk to the people of Trinidad
If I talk again it could set me mad
I'm tired if talkin' to the people of Trinidad
All kinds of people come and doin' well
And you the Trinidadians only catchin' hell
How many times do you want to be told
Your own comes first all over the world
If you think I lie, I invite you please
Just take a trip through the West Indies
Make your first stop at Grenada
Tell them that you come to look for labor
If you miss and say you're from Trinidad
They lick you from Grenada down to Fyzabad
But you can't blame them on a whole
My friend, that's the policy of the world
So, Granadians for Granadians
Jamaicians for Jamaicians
Even Barbados take the same route
Trinidadians, buck up and follow suit
Well now you really lookin' for blows
If you think you goin' anchor in Barbados
The Bajuns goin' tell you you bloomin' fast
Don't you know Bajuns first and outsiders last
Then you heist your anchor to Jamaica
Feelin' that your chances might be better
But as I've led you to understand
Boy, we only have work here for Jamaicans
I'm not all selfish, I love to give
And I believe in the slogan live and let live
If the other islands aren't doin' that
Well I don't see why we should be Miss Howard's cat
It's time to go into the reverse
Do like other nations put your people first
You must do as you are told
Or you would be the laughing stock of the world
Well put because that was exactly what happened. This coward really was hiding in the bushes in his yard. I heard Beth say, Hey you behind the bush!! Then he struts out, "come in"
How interesting. Jug has some powerful friends and they are NOT giving up.
Pepper he and his son had the brothers go along with the Holiday Inn drop off LIE!!
Exactly. Colossal nerve and I suspected relations would arise. No different from Cayman Islands where everyone is either a cousin or a cousin by marriage.
Wrong again. I'm annoyed with people who can't use deductive reasoning after reading ALL of the information on this thread
Ah--that splains a lot. I've read everything on this thread and the two threads that proceeded it as well as material from other sources. The problem with 'the information' on this thread (and elsewhere) is that a good deal of it is unsubstantiated and/or outright false and a lot of good people are having problems separating the unreliable & bogus from the reasonably reliable. Deductive reasoning derived from subjective analysis that excludes consideration of objective possible alternatives is likely to yield an illogical conclusion.
Good!! The Aruban Government are under the spotlight right now and after a month of it, it's probably getting mighty hot. This Island SURVIVES on American tourist dollars. They have a LOT to loose and Beth Twitty doesn't strike me as one that will leave without answers.