Posted on 06/23/2005 3:17:51 PM PDT by tutstar
You are definitely right about that.
As I said previously they will not affect what is taught at that church.
Pastor Vines is the one who cause all the hubbub a couple years ago (could be 1 or 3 yrs...memory lapse hereas to exact date) when he said Mohammed was a pedophile and Islam isn't a peaceful religion.
Amen to that!!
Great point! Wonder if they've ever attended or viewed a church service. There are several politicians who are members of the church. Those people are not Easter and Christmas Christians either, they are faithful members who walk the talk.
Wouldn't be surprising if they knew each other or shared ideas.
You're right...same ideas different name.
I don't understand either.
The same division can be seen here too. This is a conservative forum but there are a lot of folks that make me wonder why they are here.
They're here to disrupt, a lot of them.
It sure looks like it a lot of times1
Equality for Gays and Lesbians
Jesus taught Equality, Justice and Obligation. We Accept Jesus' Call to Love One Another and to Welcome All God's Children at the Table
As Christians, we are all called to follow Jesus' commandment to "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 15:12) Jesus welcomed women, tax collectors, Pharisees, and lepers at his table. His behavior indicted those who inflicted hurt on others as they piously honored the purity codes of his day. Following Jesus' example, we declare that using the popular "purity codes" of today, such as sexual orientation, to ostracize and marginalize people is immoral.
Gay and lesbian people and heterosexual people are all children of God. We all labor together in our places of employment. We all worship together in our churches (except in those churches where gays and lesbians have been banished from the congregation). On April 15, we are all taxpayers. As God's children and as American citizens, gays and lesbians deserve legal protection from bigotry and discrimination.
Discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders - especially legally sanctioned discrimination - violates the Gospel-based values of justice and equality for all people. We support equality under the law for all Americans, regardless of sexual orientation.
http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.667209/k.5987/Equality_for_Gays_and_Lesbians.htm
Effective Prevention vs. Criminalizing Abortion
Honoring the Sanctity of Childbearing Decisions - Jesus Taught Compassion, Responsibility, and Equality. Following His Call, We Support Responsible, Compassionate Programs That Are Genuinely Effective in Helping Prevent Unintended Pregnancy, An Outcome No Woman Wants. We Affirm That Each Woman's Body Belongs to Herself. No Woman Should Be Forced Either to Bear a Child or to Terminate a Pregnancy.
No one is "for" abortion. Most abortions are attended by an enormous amount of emotional pain. But we think the issue is effective prevention of unintended pregnancy, not criminalizing desperate pregnant women or the medical professionals who help them.
Over and over in the Gospels, Jesus is scathing in his dealings with hypocrites. We believe that Jesus would recognize the inherent hypocrisy in decreasing support for family planning or reducing access to contraception while simultaneously seeking to criminalize abortion. Such actions deny women and men access to basic help and information on family planning while, at the same time, forcing them to bear children. Abstinence-only education programs pushed by the right are actually associated with an increase in the rate of abortions. Such approaches like these increase the rate of abortions. They are not about protecting life; they are about controlling and punishing desperate women, especially poor women. Criminalizing abortion would also disproportionately target poor women who could not go abroad for a legal abortion.
We believe our nation has a responsibility to enact policies that help reduce or eliminate the number of abortions and unintended pregnancies. For example, studies suggest that expanded availability of emergency contraception and better public awareness of the limitations of current birth control methods could reduce the need for abortions by half, but this has been opposed by right-wing activists. International experience shows that many countries with the most - prohibitive abortion laws have the highest abortion rates. But places like the Netherlands that emphasize prevention while keeping abortion safe and legal have the lowest abortion rates. We call for government policies that respect the lives of women and provide responsible, effective approaches for decreasing unintended pregnancy.
Recognizing that Jesus teaches us by his example, we hold that he would treat women as full and complete partners today, just as he did in his own time. Therefore, we assert that creating secular laws to give control of a woman's body to the state is unchristian. We assert that compulsory childbearing (if Roe v. Wade were overturned), compulsory abortion (as in China), and compulsory childbearing or abortion based on the state's decision (as in Nazi Germany) all deny a woman's essential humanity and are immoral.
International studies show that legal constraints on abortion have low impact on whether women actually get abortions. This means only that women will have illegal abortions, procedures that are often unsafe or lethal. Americans know, from the time before Roe v. Wade, that prohibiting safe abortion procedures led directly to deaths of multitudes of desperate and frightened women. Extremists who want to return us to that time are unlike the Jesus we know from the Gospels; they implicitly hold that the life of a woman does not matter. Our government has a moral obligation not to enact laws that have been shown by history to cause women injury or death.
http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.641451/k.3AEF/Effective_Prevention_vs_Criminalizing_Abortion.htm
thought this might interest you...
With no contrary comment, and a link to their web site.
Sweet.
Well, in the sense that Michael Moore could call himself a babe-magnet, anyone can call himself a Christian.
Dan
I'm guessing Tim Simpson hasn't noticed, or chooses to ignore the leftist political activism of the 'mainline' Protestant denominations like the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists. Heck, take away the issues of abortion and homosexuality, and his group probably has a lot in common with the Roman Catholic Church.
Yep I could say I'm a hamburger. I'd be the first Whopper that types.
Funny how he isn't concerned with the religious left isn't it?
Yep...you got it!
Sounds like the religious equivalent of Air America and we all know how successful that was.I go to two ministerial associations in Jacksonville, one would pretty much agree with this guy. The other one are all relgious right like me. LOL. It happens. These guy won't go far.
same s*it; different pile
It's laughable , even hilarious, that they think they will influence Dr. Vines message . What a hoot!
Now, that's a funny joke. But, put a thought in my head. I do not believe that Mr. Moore has a wife; then my mind wanders to how he finds solace at the end of the day.
Talk among yourselves.
With decorum, of course
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