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Children Die Beneath Mugabe's Bulldozer
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-24-2005 | Allister Leithead

Posted on 06/23/2005 7:13:47 PM PDT by blam

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To: mommadooo3

Have a good night rest!


61 posted on 06/23/2005 10:07:25 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

What can be done? Africa is a basket case from stem to stern. We find hope when some leader can cut the AIDS rate from 30% to 15% by preaching a modicum of sexual responsibility. Intervention doesn't work. Non-intervention doesn't work. Aid doesn't work. Carrots don't work. Sticks don't work. I wish that I could propose some great conservative answer with parts of Milton Friedman and Thomas Jefferson, but there's nothing that can be done for a very long time.


62 posted on 06/23/2005 10:14:12 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: mommadooo3

That is not fair. Zim is a totally repressive dictatorship. You can't blame the citizens for not doing enough to stop Mugabe, he has power and he'll kill anyone who lifts a finger. I know it's frustrating and it's hard to be lectured to that you haven't done enough, but the answer isn't to return blame for blame.


63 posted on 06/23/2005 10:16:17 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: AmishDude

Serious sanctions would go a long way. We did it with South Africa. Then again, we're playing tiddlywinks with China so I shouldn't expect much to be done about Zimbabwe. Anyway, there's a reason why I don't talk much about these issues anymore on FR and I've been reminded why.


64 posted on 06/23/2005 10:17:34 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

Well, not now. Thanks to Jacques Chirac, we can't go into Zimbabwe now. He was the one. Shroeder would have backed down. The Left would have been cowed. But one man, Jacques Chirac, ensured that the oppressed people in the world would just have to go on being oppressed just a little bit longer. And Zim has reached that point at which anything is better than what they have now. If some other dictator replaces Mugabe, at least he can't be any worse.


65 posted on 06/23/2005 10:19:40 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: mommadooo3

He didn't have a vendetta against white farmers. He wanted his friends, family and associates to get free land. Those farms didn't go to the general public, you know.


66 posted on 06/23/2005 10:20:42 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: AmishDude

You're right about that.


67 posted on 06/23/2005 10:21:52 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: blam

Lord have mercy.


68 posted on 06/23/2005 10:24:22 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: cyborg
Sanctions are over-credited with South Africa's conversion away from apartheid. It wasn't the sanctions themselves, but the worldwide debate that they generated and the heat on SA. It became a huge cause and forced the westernized white minority to take a hard look at their country. Mugabe's reaction to sanctions will be similar to Saddam's: Hunker down, make the little people suffer. If they complain, kill them. If they complain more, blame the US.

And maybe SA isn't the best example of a success story.

69 posted on 06/23/2005 10:25:29 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: cyborg
You're right about that.

:) I like hearing that. It makes me feel warm and/or fuzzy.

70 posted on 06/23/2005 10:26:36 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: AmishDude

No SA isn't a good example but the point about the sanctions and worldwide debate is what I was getting at. I suppose we won't know his reaction until they actually happen. Then what? If he doesn't listen, are we going to invade Zimbabwe? Probably not, not that I think we should but it is a moral quandry. If Japan didn't bomb us in Pearl Harbor, would we have involved ourselves in WW2? I wonder about that.


71 posted on 06/23/2005 10:29:17 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: al_again

You kidding? Get out of that toilet. It's over.
Next up - - South Africa.


72 posted on 06/23/2005 10:29:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: AmishDude

LOL warm and fuzzies are good at this time of night!


73 posted on 06/23/2005 10:29:50 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: blam

Disgusting. May God bless the souls of these little ones and comfort their parents.


74 posted on 06/23/2005 10:31:18 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: cyborg
If they went to Bosnia and Iraq then why not Zimbabwe too?

It is a question I have wondered about as well.

75 posted on 06/23/2005 10:33:19 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: al_again; MeekOneGOP

Pinging Viking Kitties.


76 posted on 06/23/2005 10:33:50 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: cyborg
The Pearl Harbor question is a good one. America was isolationist and strongly so. There was an unfortunate anti-Semetic streak that would have lead us to make them "solve their own problems and not get involved in that part of the world". Sound familiar? Roosevelt wanted in the war badly as did many others. I just wonder if our entrance would have been too late and there would have been no allies.

Worldwide debate won't help Zimbabwe. Mugabe doesn't care. Nobody in power cares.

I don't know what to do. But if something is done to get Mugabe out, you won't hear me saying it was the wrong thing to do.

77 posted on 06/23/2005 10:38:51 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: MarMema

I just hope that the UN doesn't wait like they did last time. Anyway, I know that you know Satan is afoot and that we must pray and appeal to God and not man. I just realised that. I'm here criticising governments when the real ruler is Christ.


78 posted on 06/23/2005 10:39:27 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: AmishDude

I think he should get capped but that's against the Geneva Convention :-)


79 posted on 06/23/2005 10:40:17 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

I join you in prayer for these people, and you are my sister, as you know. :-)


80 posted on 06/23/2005 10:40:39 PM PDT by MarMema
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