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6/23/05 | Self

Posted on 06/23/2005 8:06:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Everybody knows about the shot that was heard around the world as the birthing pains of this once great nation. Today, sadly, we may have heard it's death knell.

It did not come with violence or shots fired. It came with the virtual elimination of personal property rights.

Our founding fathers knew how important the ownership of property was and sought to protect the right to be secure in the ownership of property to the extent that they enshrined the guarantee that property would not be taken for public use without due process and just compensation.

For over 200 years it was understood that "public use" meant that the ownership would transfer from the private owner to the local, state, or federal government for things such as military bases, roads, schools, prisons, etc. Now, the meaning of "public use" has been altered by 5 people who were never elected to office and in all reality, are completely unaccountable to anyone, to mean privately owned condos, shopping centers, and business parks under the thin guise that those enterprises would contribute more tax money to the coffers, thus increasing the "public good"

Justice Stevens, writing for the majority said that judges should give city councils and state legislatures "broad latitude in determining what public needs justify the use of the takings power," he added. To make sure that he wasn't misunderstood he added, "The city has carefully formulated a development plan that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including, but not limited to, new jobs and increased tax revenue," and just destroyed any pretence that you have any recourse whatsoever if the government or county decides that they want your property for any reason at all.

Sandra Day O'Connor writing a scathing dissent correctly said that now rich and politically land developers and businesses could basically take your land away from you with the help from the local government. Yes, you could fight it in court, but it is now fruitless as you are guaranteed to lose in a fixed fight.

For years the people have for the most party sat quietly as the government stole more and more freedoms from us. Prior to 1914 and fool could take any drug he or she wanted and kill themselves, thus increasing the quality of the gene pool for the rest of us. Before 1918, the government had no claim to your wages and could not tax them. Prior to 1934, Sears sold machine guns from their catalog and nobody thought anything about it. Prior to the 1950's preachers could freely endorse or denigrate any political candidate they wanted, just as had been done since the very first town government was formed in this country almost 350 years prior. Since 1986 it has been illegal to manufacture and sell a machine gun to a civilian despite the fact that in the past several decades the number of people int he US murdered by a person with a machine gun has been exactly one, and the person doing the shooting was a police officer using a gun issued to the police department.

But hope is not lost however, ownership of real property does a funny thing to people. It is a spot that a person can say, "This land is MINE!" with a dedication and a fierceness that is somewhat scary. Religion and politics and abortion and the WOT all take a back seat when two neighbors are faced with having their property stolen by the government.

Maybe that bell sounding isn't the death knell but the alarm.

Maybe this will awake the sheeple to realize that the socialist have gone too far.

Maybe the bell is just signalling round two of the Revolutionary War.

Will this war be fought with bullets or ballots?

We shall see.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: court; crime; domain; eminent; kelo; landgrab; property; rights; supreme
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To: bobhoskins
Unfortunately, she was awakened by a government official handing her a small check and kicked her out of her house so they could build a pornography factory.

It appears I've mixed the present and the past in my verbs in the above. You'll have to forgive me --- due to this court decision, I'm two tense.

101 posted on 06/23/2005 9:00:17 PM PDT by bobhoskins (...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The rich elite of Martha's Vineyard, Walter Cronkite and Ted Kennedy, among other hypocritical environmental wing nuts fight against windmills that destroy their ocean views. Just imagine how they'd howl if their ritzy property was seized.

http://www.climateark.org/articles/reader.asp?linkid=23933

Has any liberal wag spoken on this Supreme Court decision? They won't....until their property is threatened.


102 posted on 06/23/2005 9:00:20 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@Hypocrits!.com)
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To: mysterio

Kind of like cutting off the blood supply to Vampires as well.


103 posted on 06/23/2005 9:00:53 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Just to make my voice known, I am bloody furious about this judicial decision. It is vile beyond description, and the impact of this decision dwarfs issues of the day like abortion and gay marriage, which are superficial in many ways. Land of the free my ass. Without private property rights, we have nothing.

The Republic is dead.

104 posted on 06/23/2005 9:01:11 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: lmr

I needed some cheering up after today's decision and your post did it.






105 posted on 06/23/2005 9:01:31 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: AZLiberty

That is what I was quoting. We just need Judges who know that is a limitation on the governments rights, not mine.

I can accept the idea of giving my land for a road, military base, other government facility.


106 posted on 06/23/2005 9:02:09 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: Domestic Church
It's only a matter of time before it is used as a dirty political revenge modus operandi. Hillary must licking her chops tonight.

Nonsense. This vote was 5-4. But 4 of 5 of the majority are liberals (including 2 Clinton appointees), and 4 of 4 of dissenters are Conservatives.

The message is clear: Conservative justices support your property rights, and Liberal justices want to strip them from you. That is the banner we should march beneath next year, in 2008, and in every governor and local race in between.

We the people can stop this decision across America, and make sure a property-rights litmus test be applied for every SCOTUS nominee from now on.

107 posted on 06/23/2005 9:02:36 PM PDT by montag813
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To: mysterio

Set a date, get the word out, and lets shut down the United States!

Don't drive a car, pick-up truck, semi, or anything. Don;t let your children go to school, don't go to work, nothing on this date!

Shut it down for 24 hours! Do not buy anything, just shut everything down!

Maybe showing the government who really makes up this Country will put the fear of God back in them!


108 posted on 06/23/2005 9:02:38 PM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Lock 'n load.


109 posted on 06/23/2005 9:03:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*"Justice" is French for Getting Screwed By Liberals*)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And to think, our Founding Fathers HAD IT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING !


110 posted on 06/23/2005 9:03:56 PM PDT by austinmark (Torture? Koran abuse? I'd Rather Be A Koran In Gitmo THAN A Bible in Saudi Arabia !!!)
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To: DB

this is hardly an issue of failure to pay taxes, or laws governing what you can build on your property. I certainly don't want my neighbor to be able to claim zoning laws are unconstitutional and turn his house into an adult bookstore. let's stay focused on the issue here - eminent domain for private use.


111 posted on 06/23/2005 9:04:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: sbelew
I scooted over to DU, and there's some real outrage over there - and I find that amusing.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I will stand arm and arm with people who oppose the continued erosion of the people rights.

Everything congress does is to limit the rights of citizens. How about limiting the rights of government, illegal aliens, foriengera wanting visa's, etc. Damn, leave the people alone.

112 posted on 06/23/2005 9:06:14 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The liberal black robes will be stopped....


113 posted on 06/23/2005 9:06:48 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Re: Destruction of the RIGHT TO OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY

PETITION FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVENCES

We the People of the United States, do hereby demand that our duly elected representatives in both houses of Congress, initiate impeachment proceedings against the following Supreme Court Justices:

John Paul Stevens Anthony Kennedy David H. Souter Ruth Bader Ginsburg Stephen G. Breyer

We, the undersigned, consider the Supreme Court ruling in Kelo v. New London, 04-108, rendered June 23, 2005, not only unacceptable, but to be in criminal violation of the Justice's oaths to uphold, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Be advised that We the People regard elected officials to be our public servants. Failure to take action against the Justices specified shall be considered support for the decision rendered in the aforementioned case, and will result in our resolve to ensure your defeat in the next election.

Being from myriad political and ideological spectra, we are united in our belief that our right to own property is inalienable.

If you agree to the above, click here:
Sign Here

114 posted on 06/23/2005 9:06:55 PM PDT by adaven
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To: TheOtherOne
We need an amendment to the Constitution that says: THE GOVERNMENT SHALL NOT COVET THE PEOPLES PROPERTY.™

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Now they'll just take the whole house. Probable cause = increased tax base. And any private citizen that supports such action by the government is equally covetous, expecting to benefit from such seizures. For the "benefit of the community"...

Proverbs 28:21 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.

115 posted on 06/23/2005 9:07:15 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: sbelew

"Through no fault of my own I am being put upon. I've had all I can stand from you in the front, and I do not plan to roll over. So when you send your collector, have That Woman send your WACO KILLERS with them. They will need them. Living is not very much fun with you standing on my neck. If you do it right, dying will be one hell of a party."

Letter from Elmer Wade to the feds in the book "Send in the Waco Killers" by Vin Suprynowicz


116 posted on 06/23/2005 9:07:30 PM PDT by The Last Rebel
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To: F16Fighter
"He can start by using the Bully Pulpit, and kickin' some @ss...."

Sounds good to me. Hopefully, he and his cabinet, advisers, aides, etc. will be able to figure a way out of this. This decision is unbelievable. There will be many, many heart wrenching stories come out of this. I hope SCOTUS aren't so isolated that they won't see the anger of the people, the demonstrations, and the evictions.
117 posted on 06/23/2005 9:09:23 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Self-governance and liberty are scary things to some people, I suppose.


118 posted on 06/23/2005 9:12:16 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Oztrich Boy

"What about building a wind power site off Hyannis Port?"

What about drilling for oil off the coast -- the NEAR coast? Put a landfill close by (what do they do with their trash??). That's a necessary function of society.


119 posted on 06/23/2005 9:12:17 PM PDT by Humal
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To: tortoise
The Republic is dead.

Fortunately, conservatives will attempt CPR.

120 posted on 06/23/2005 9:17:38 PM PDT by bobhoskins (...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Great post. I have no idea where this is going to end up, and right now I'm too shocked to come up with any ideas...


121 posted on 06/23/2005 9:19:04 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!...End Black Collar Crime)
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To: austinmark

Looks like a good lot for a frisbee factory ... it'd bring in more taxes than that useless piee of land just sitting there!


122 posted on 06/23/2005 9:19:17 PM PDT by bobhoskins (Sarcasm alert!)
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To: mylife
They even suggested aligning with freepers on this one issue.

I suggested that we unite with DU at the homes of the plaintiff when the bulldozers come to tear down their houses. Hundreds of us should show up to demonstrate on the properties. 'twould be a "kumbaya" moment between Freepers and DUers, we could have some beer, tell jokes, and at least agree on SOMETHING...

123 posted on 06/23/2005 9:19:59 PM PDT by Paradox (Oft)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Just days ago there was a judge asking for more security for Judges, Now we know why. So from this point forward if I am on a jury and someone is acussed of bring harm to anyone in black I shall look the other way and say not guilty.


124 posted on 06/23/2005 9:20:33 PM PDT by Judge Roy
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To: standing united
24 hours won't do anything. It would take months.

This will have to wait. People are not fired up. Everyone is still well fed and delusional.

Theoretically speaking of course. Maybe in ten years.
125 posted on 06/23/2005 9:21:16 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Ma3lst0rm
What we really need, is the "Mark Levin" admendment.

Give congress the final word, by permitting it to overturn Supreme Court rulings, but a 2/3rd's majority of both houses.

126 posted on 06/23/2005 9:21:45 PM PDT by mlstier ("Abortion is not a choice. It's changing ones mind.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

As one FReeper put it: There will be property confiscations like wildfire in the coming months.


127 posted on 06/23/2005 9:21:52 PM PDT by shellshocked (Rule 308 trumps all other judges rulings.)
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To: mysterio
Everyone is still well fed and delusional

Bread and circuses

128 posted on 06/23/2005 9:21:52 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Advertisments contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper)
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To: clamper1797

Is there a Robert Moses Ping list?


129 posted on 06/23/2005 9:22:32 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Paradox

That would be a paradox.

Good idea.


130 posted on 06/23/2005 9:22:34 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: thoughtomator

Sorta like the liquidation of the kulaks?


131 posted on 06/23/2005 9:22:40 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: Ma3lst0rm

Fair Market value does not apply here! They would appraise at the residential market value. Must be appraised at the commericial value price! Increase values ten-fold if not more!


132 posted on 06/23/2005 9:23:58 PM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma)
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To: bjcintennessee

ping


133 posted on 06/23/2005 9:24:12 PM PDT by ImaTexan
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This was a tyrannical court ruling and yet another nail in the coffin of what used to be America.

I can't really say that I'm surprised, except at the rate at which things are happening. Illegal immigration, trade and budget deficits, etc., and now this. The only logical conclusion I can offer is that powerful forces exist that seek to destroy our Republic. Unfortunately, they are doing a very good job.

As the real wealth of this country continues to be redistributed on a global scale under the guise of "free trade", expect more and more asset seizures as our corporate government needs "hard assets" instead of paper ones.

If there is a silver lining in this, it might be that the bastards overplayed their hand on this one. Folks across the board appear to be really ticked off over this. Maybe something will come of it. Or maybe they'll just go back to watching Fear Factor next week. Time will tell.

134 posted on 06/23/2005 9:24:55 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: clamper1797
Right on.

Although I am slightly surprised at the overwhelmingly negative reaction to this tyranny. I was expecting a resounding chorus of "Four legs good, two legs better!" from the general populous.
135 posted on 06/23/2005 9:25:40 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: shellshocked
As one FReeper put it: There will be property confiscations like wildfire in the coming months.

Yeah, it's a bad decision, and government will want to get their onfiscations "in before the lock", you might say.

If this decision eventually is somehow overturned, what does it do for people who suddenly have a housing development where the family farm used to be. They wouldn't have much legal recourse, as everything would have been "perfectly legal" when it was done.

136 posted on 06/23/2005 9:27:40 PM PDT by bobhoskins (I should BOLD the non-jokey bits in my posts more.)
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To: arasina
"And she uses a European-manufactured World Time clock to tell her what time it is in America."

Aaah, very appropos :-)

That opinion sticks in my craw.

137 posted on 06/23/2005 9:28:13 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: bobhoskins

The wife was just watching TV and saw a fastsite.com commercial. She laughed, "What is that? A government site to get private property??"

Sadly, she isn't far from the truth. Now that the governments can take properties, they will seek buyers by all means, perhaps even with a web site and television advertising.


138 posted on 06/23/2005 9:31:30 PM PDT by shellshocked (Rule 308 trumps all other judges rulings.)
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To: Domestic Church
Yeah,

I'm waiting to hear that some developer want to develop the land of this little ranch in Texas. ;-)

139 posted on 06/23/2005 9:31:53 PM PDT by mlstier ("Abortion is not a choice. It's changing ones mind.")
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To: Humal
" I hope SCOTUS aren't so isolated that they won't see the anger of the people, the demonstrations, and the evictions."

At least 5 of them appear to have "isolated" their heads up their wazoos -- but then, Souter, Breyer, Bader-Witchberg, and Stevens have NEVER cared about the "people" in any case.

140 posted on 06/23/2005 9:32:46 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: bobhoskins
It is time for all good Americans to march to the defense of those whose property was stolen today.

They suffer a corrupt local government and a corrupt national court that supports tyranny.

March to their defense now ! The court may declare marching to be illegal tomorrow.
141 posted on 06/23/2005 9:33:47 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: shellshocked
Sadly, she isn't far from the truth. Now that the governments can take properties, they will seek buyers by all means, perhaps even with a web site and television advertising.

Thanks, you've added a new dimension to my nightmares that I wouldn;t have considered tonight. Everything's fine as long as the government gets it's cut. (Puking smilie here!)

"Come to Town X! We'll find you a wonderful site at low rates for your firm! We'll even help in your "negotiations" for whatever plot of land you like!"

142 posted on 06/23/2005 9:34:21 PM PDT by bobhoskins
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To: aomagrat

Bread and Circuses ping


143 posted on 06/23/2005 9:35:22 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Nicely done, Blood of Tyrants.


144 posted on 06/23/2005 9:35:50 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Tobor
It is time for all good Americans to march to the defense of those whose property was stolen today.

They suffer a corrupt local government and a corrupt national court that supports tyranny.

March to their defense now ! The court may declare marching to be illegal tomorrow.

We should pass resolutions via ballot in EVERY town and city to disallow this practice. We should do so at the state level, too. And, if possible, at the federal level.

If we can pass rules against this in one town, and get nationalcoverage for it, MAYBE a movement will take off.

I may have to look into how to get something like this on the ballot around here ...

145 posted on 06/23/2005 9:37:06 PM PDT by bobhoskins
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To: Paradox
I suggested that we unite with DU at the homes of the plaintiff when the bulldozers come to tear down their houses. Hundreds of us should show up to demonstrate on the properties. 'twould be a "kumbaya" moment between Freepers and DUers, we could have some beer, tell jokes, and at least agree on SOMETHING...

Good lord, I can't belive I am agreeing with most DU'ers on something. But this goes to our CORE. This is some major shit.

I agree, Paradox.

146 posted on 06/23/2005 9:37:07 PM PDT by adaven
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To: Blood of Tyrants

When is the 2nd amendment not a CRIME. If this man stands his ground with a gun in his hand is he a criminal ? I say no.


147 posted on 06/23/2005 9:37:20 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: cyborg; to_zion
Did you see the thread on DU? Talking about a truce with FR over this... Federal Express is delivering iced tea to hell as we speak!

Lol! There was a link on the other thread earlier today. I think this is great that we've found common ground finally. Unfortunately it took the Supreme Communists to screw us out of another constitutional right to do it...

148 posted on 06/23/2005 9:39:19 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!...End Black Collar Crime)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Nine Bin Ladens.
149 posted on 06/23/2005 9:40:36 PM PDT by FreedomAvatar (Gravity is only a theory - Teach the controversy)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I'm sorely disappointed there is only 147 replies here!! Are we the only people that know? Where is the news on this? Where is the President when we need him? I love my President.......he better answer on this!


150 posted on 06/23/2005 9:41:11 PM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma)
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