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Tonight we are no longer a free country (vanity)
6/23/05 | Self

Posted on 06/23/2005 8:06:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Everybody knows about the shot that was heard around the world as the birthing pains of this once great nation. Today, sadly, we may have heard it's death knell.

It did not come with violence or shots fired. It came with the virtual elimination of personal property rights.

Our founding fathers knew how important the ownership of property was and sought to protect the right to be secure in the ownership of property to the extent that they enshrined the guarantee that property would not be taken for public use without due process and just compensation.

For over 200 years it was understood that "public use" meant that the ownership would transfer from the private owner to the local, state, or federal government for things such as military bases, roads, schools, prisons, etc. Now, the meaning of "public use" has been altered by 5 people who were never elected to office and in all reality, are completely unaccountable to anyone, to mean privately owned condos, shopping centers, and business parks under the thin guise that those enterprises would contribute more tax money to the coffers, thus increasing the "public good"

Justice Stevens, writing for the majority said that judges should give city councils and state legislatures "broad latitude in determining what public needs justify the use of the takings power," he added. To make sure that he wasn't misunderstood he added, "The city has carefully formulated a development plan that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including, but not limited to, new jobs and increased tax revenue," and just destroyed any pretence that you have any recourse whatsoever if the government or county decides that they want your property for any reason at all.

Sandra Day O'Connor writing a scathing dissent correctly said that now rich and politically land developers and businesses could basically take your land away from you with the help from the local government. Yes, you could fight it in court, but it is now fruitless as you are guaranteed to lose in a fixed fight.

For years the people have for the most party sat quietly as the government stole more and more freedoms from us. Prior to 1914 and fool could take any drug he or she wanted and kill themselves, thus increasing the quality of the gene pool for the rest of us. Before 1918, the government had no claim to your wages and could not tax them. Prior to 1934, Sears sold machine guns from their catalog and nobody thought anything about it. Prior to the 1950's preachers could freely endorse or denigrate any political candidate they wanted, just as had been done since the very first town government was formed in this country almost 350 years prior. Since 1986 it has been illegal to manufacture and sell a machine gun to a civilian despite the fact that in the past several decades the number of people int he US murdered by a person with a machine gun has been exactly one, and the person doing the shooting was a police officer using a gun issued to the police department.

But hope is not lost however, ownership of real property does a funny thing to people. It is a spot that a person can say, "This land is MINE!" with a dedication and a fierceness that is somewhat scary. Religion and politics and abortion and the WOT all take a back seat when two neighbors are faced with having their property stolen by the government.

Maybe that bell sounding isn't the death knell but the alarm.

Maybe this will awake the sheeple to realize that the socialist have gone too far.

Maybe the bell is just signalling round two of the Revolutionary War.

Will this war be fought with bullets or ballots?

We shall see.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: court; crime; domain; eminent; kelo; landgrab; property; rights; supreme
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To: bobhoskins
IMHO, if the land is taken for public use and not used for the stated purpose within 3 years, the compensation (fair market value) should be tripled and the land returned to the former owner intact.

The Supremes decision is merely a reallocation of wealth.

If home depot (or anyone else) wants my land for 10% of their store, I want 10% of the gross, not some lowball sum and an eviction notice.

The dodge here is that they want the location but do not want to pay fair market value for the property. What is "Fair market value"?

Whatever I can get.

If something like this were coming my way, I'd do my damndest to sell to a competitor of whoever is putting the squeeze on me, just to screw them.

261 posted on 06/24/2005 5:07:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In a perfect world, the Headlines this morning would read, US Congress announces Impeachment Proceedings to start immediately against the 5 Black Robed Scoundrels. The WH backs this move in full faith and credit. In a perfect world. Blackbird.


262 posted on 06/24/2005 5:13:52 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I agree. I feel a Boston Tea Party is in the making. The DUers are just as upset with this as we are. The American people are completely behind us. We need to do something.


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263 posted on 06/24/2005 5:21:27 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/canadahealthcare.htm)
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To: Hank Rearden
"Nine out of ten voices in my head are telling me to clean my guns."

Only nine out of ten? It's unamimous in mine! Blackbird.

264 posted on 06/24/2005 5:22:31 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Pajamajan

Applause


265 posted on 06/24/2005 5:22:36 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/canadahealthcare.htm)
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To: AZLiberty
Like it or not, the constitution already seems to allow the taking of private property, with "just" compensation, whatever that is.

The difference now, it's no longer negotiable. Blackbird.

266 posted on 06/24/2005 5:35:37 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: mylife
even the Libs at DU are angry about this

Seems a good time to quote Wm. Pitt. Not their Wm. Pitt...

The poorest man may, in his cottage, bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storms may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter; all his forces dare not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement."

267 posted on 06/24/2005 5:37:47 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Humal

Golf course? How about a shooting range?


268 posted on 06/24/2005 5:42:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Today, sadly, we may have heard it's death knell.

I disagree. We may have simply heard the first shot in the coming battle. Perhaps a new nation will be born. The process of birth is always a painful one.

We shall see.

269 posted on 06/24/2005 5:44:17 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk)
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To: thchronic

Signed! I would urge you to post that link on every thread you visit on FR until Congress acts. Blackbird.


270 posted on 06/24/2005 5:45:31 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: montag813

I don't know the answer to that question. But I do know that IF the three branches of the government are co-equal, then the other two have no obligation to obey the judges.


271 posted on 06/24/2005 5:46:54 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: thchronic

Done.


272 posted on 06/24/2005 5:49:14 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Well written. Good post.

"This country belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." --Abraham Lincoln

273 posted on 06/24/2005 5:49:24 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk)
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To: FreedomAvatar

Five. The other four were as furius as we are.


274 posted on 06/24/2005 5:51:04 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: mylife; cyborg
They even suggested aligning with freepers on this one issue.

Excellent idea.

275 posted on 06/24/2005 5:54:07 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk)
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To: traviskicks
I feel a Boston Tea Party is in the making.

As I understand it, this ruling does NOT exempt government land. Why not band together, obtain financing, and through eminent domain take the land on which the Supreme Court sits and build an amusement park?

276 posted on 06/24/2005 5:55:28 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: longfellow
If this man stands his ground with a gun in his hand is he a criminal ? I say no.

No, not in my eyes, should I sit on a jury. Here's the catch though, he could very likely be determined by the State to be a TERRORIST, ferreted away to some secret location and never heard from again. Does this scenario make the Patriot Act any more onerous to those who are clamouring for it? I don't own tin foil, this is the reality of such power in the hands of tyrants. Blackbird.

277 posted on 06/24/2005 5:58:35 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Hank Rearden
Nine out of ten voices in my head are telling me to clean my guns.

Keep your powder dry.

278 posted on 06/24/2005 6:00:01 AM PDT by Tolkien (Life is something that everyone should try at least once.)
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To: Razz Barry

Yes, it will get people killed. The first will probably be the poor bastard who has to try to physically evict a crotchety old fart who just refuses to leave. The second will be the old fart for daring to stand up to the almighty government to protect what he now no longer has a right to.

The first to die ought to be the city councilmen and women who were bribed to take his land and the second ought to be the tyrants in black robes who allowed it.


279 posted on 06/24/2005 6:02:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

As I understand it, this ruling does NOT exempt government land. Why not band together, obtain financing, and through eminent domain take the land on which the Supreme Court sits and build an amusement park?
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I'm sure they would find some 'technicality' to prevent us form doing this. Another option would just say to hell with it and torch the scotus building...



280 posted on 06/24/2005 6:04:54 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/canadahealthcare.htm)
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