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6/23/05 | Self

Posted on 06/23/2005 8:06:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

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201 posted on 06/23/2005 10:31:47 PM PDT by Maigrey (TC, Kick that cancer in the @$$ - Texas Termite (shame on you with such language!))
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To: oceanview
"there is nothing in the constitution giving you the right "

That is where your paradigm is wrong !

The Constitution (the Bill of Rights, actually)does not grant me rights. It prohibits the government from violating several specific rights that I was born with. It does not imply that those rights are the only ones I have.

Socialists and other government firsters have perverted our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights places limits on the government, not on We, the People.

You seem to see it backwards, as do liberals and government lovers.
202 posted on 06/23/2005 10:33:04 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: Domestic Church

The libs on the Court are gobbling up every bit of our freedom while they still can. They know their numbers will soon be altered. I keep thinking it can't get any worse but it does.

Serious issues like this one can be reversed with a Constitutional Amendment (I think) - I know, everyone thinks their issue is serious. This one is - it means any developer can enrich himself at your expense. There would be some case for this if most new development was an improvement - but more strip malls etc. we don't need.

And that doesn't even touch on the payoffs that already go on at city hall to get "things approved."

Or what about this scenario: your property is confiscated and after it's torn down and the foundation for the "improvement" has been poured, the developer suddenly goes belly up - with their gambler mentality and penchant for being over-extended this happens all the time.

It isn't only that these judges are libs or don't believe in private property - they really don't understand how real life proceeds.

Sorry for the incoherence - just a collection of thoughts generated by this latest "vehicle for mischief" on the part of the what is supposed to be our most supreme court.


203 posted on 06/23/2005 10:36:51 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Sam Cree; potlatch
I thought Ellis' book, His Excellency, was excellent, and very objective. It's more scholarly-type reading than McCullough's 1776, which is written with more action. It was interesting to see how fickle the colonists were during the war. Lose a battle, they're selling their produce to the Brits. Win a battle, you're their new best friend. The war was 8 years long. After a year or two, the notorious short attention span took hold on the part of nearly everybody. (Are we there yet?) The press was a constant problem, too.

Once Washington was re-elected for his second term as President, the jockeying began to see who would succeed him. Jefferson and Madison started rumor campaigns, Ben Franklin's grandson took potshots in the press...It reminded me very much of what has been going on since the 2004 election.

It's worth the price of the book to read Washington's description of Massachusetts politicians, LOL!

204 posted on 06/23/2005 10:37:14 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: AZLiberty
Like it or not, the constitution already seems to allow the taking of private property, with "just" compensation, whatever that is.

It's not for private use, only public use.

205 posted on 06/23/2005 10:37:40 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Blood of Tyrants

As sort of a sidebar, doesn't anyone think that this decision may have caused the 160 point DJIA selloff today?


206 posted on 06/23/2005 10:39:57 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: nygoose
If you are going to capitalize Freepers, you should at least capitalize Americans.

I don't write 'em. I just quote 'em.

207 posted on 06/23/2005 10:42:08 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It's just too bad that we can't all just save up our money and buy a one way ticket to America like our ancestors did.

The shining city on the hill just got a bit more tarnished.

208 posted on 06/23/2005 10:42:18 PM PDT by yooling (I've got a bad feeling about this.)
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To: oceanview
"you libertarians are "out there", ... so if I want to turn my home into a nuclear waste repository, its OK?

Substandard hyperbole is worse than "substandard wiring".

209 posted on 06/23/2005 10:42:56 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: RoseD

Appraise at highest and best use.


210 posted on 06/23/2005 10:45:05 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: katnip

Tbilisi is calling.


211 posted on 06/23/2005 10:45:13 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Let's Roll
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Well, the Fifth Amendment, the heart of the Bill of Rights, is completely gutted now.

The 'life' clause died with Terri Schiavo, and now this.

It would seem that the first test for all future Supreme Court nominees should be a sixth grade level reading comprehension exam!

212 posted on 06/23/2005 10:47:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Nice 'til I'm not.)
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To: spunkets

try answering a specific question. do you have a constitutional right to convert your house in the residential area its located in, and make it a nuclear waste dump or an adult bookstore? yes or no. or can the legislature regulate that?


213 posted on 06/23/2005 10:48:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Hank Rearden
I don't write 'em. I just quote 'em.

My apologies.

214 posted on 06/23/2005 10:49:06 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: EternalVigilance
The 'life' clause died with Terri Schiavo, and now this.

My feelings exactly.

215 posted on 06/23/2005 10:49:38 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: nygoose

no. is was caused by the greenspan testimony and the senators (both R and D) talking about the china trade and currency crisis and the use of tariffs.


216 posted on 06/23/2005 10:49:43 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Your statement has nothing to do with the issue at hand.


217 posted on 06/23/2005 10:51:06 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Two things need to be done from what I can see. First call your representative and demand to talk to the legislative aid and make sure you have your copy of the Constitution in your hand for quick reference. Ask what they are going to do to over turn this.

Yes Congress does have that power especially when the ruling is obviously contrary to the constititution. The land must be taken for public use with just compensation not private corporate use (the public benefit does not even come into play). It is enumerated in the Constitution for the establishment of Post Offices, Post Roads, Forts, etc.

If you don't get a plan of action I suggest that you vote with your feet and your cash! Pick a Conservative Constitutional Party and go to your elections board and register as a member of that party. Donate your political cash to that party. Cut the Republicrats off at the source! If you can't make a Revolutionary move like this then we are indeed doomed because you would rather be a slave than do what our founding fathers did. I am a member of the America First Party, check them out but if that is not your cup of tea then perhaps the Constitution Party or the Independant American Party.

The Dance of distraction in the Senate has been going on for how long????? If this was not about distraction then the job would have been done already with respect to votes on all nominees. Filibuster with respect to nominees is unconstituional. The Borders are not sealed, the trade deficit is out of this world, the budget deficit is out of this world and now they take away a government for, by and of the people by seizing our property. Whether you have your property in your hands now is irrelevant they are coming for you. How long are you going to wait? Until there is no one to help you? Are you tired of the lesser of two evils yet?

Ravenstar


218 posted on 06/23/2005 10:51:12 PM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: oceanview

Maybe you're right.


219 posted on 06/23/2005 10:52:04 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Blood of Tyrants
My feeling is if we loose our freedom/civil rights I am going to be more PO'd at the uncivil, unlawful jerks who due to their actions they will have ruined the love of freedom for all of us.

Keep having absolutely no respect for others and the laws that are meant to keep civility and we will all live under one rule with no personal choices.

Ok now that I got that off my chest I will go back and read the article.
220 posted on 06/23/2005 10:52:19 PM PDT by oceanperch (Oregon Coast Rocks. Pride of the Pacific Northwest.)
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To: nygoose

yes, that is exactly my point. the complaints here against zoning laws have nothing to do with this ruling today about eminent domain.


221 posted on 06/23/2005 10:52:33 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Any property tax, license ot permit means you don't own it(whatever) anyway.. You are renting it.. from the government..


222 posted on 06/23/2005 10:53:12 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Ravenstar

I know you're right.


223 posted on 06/23/2005 10:53:24 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: oceanview
"do you have a constitutional right "

again you get it backwards...

The question is : does the constitution allow the government to steal my land for zoning and Wal-Mart ?
224 posted on 06/23/2005 10:55:11 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: nygoose; RoseD
I wonder if the New London plaintiffs will get 'just compensation' that is in line with what the government is saying the property will be worth after their 'plan' is instituted.

Because if the property has that "potential" value allowing the court to justify the taking, likewise, it should have that same value in 'just compensation' to the property owner. In other words, if the price being offered were truly fair, the owner would sell. Obviously it is not a fair price to convince the OWNER of the property to sell.

225 posted on 06/23/2005 11:01:27 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Read later.


226 posted on 06/23/2005 11:01:37 PM PDT by EagleMamaMT ("Uncle Sugar: Handle it at the border or Uncle Winchester will handle it at the porch." Squantos)
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To: Hank Rearden
"Nine out of ten voices in my head are telling me to clean my guns."

My voices are of the opinion that more than one of my teenagers needs to attend the rifleshooting weekend coming up next month here.

227 posted on 06/23/2005 11:01:55 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I wonder what those living in Hawaii would comment on your subject matter?


228 posted on 06/23/2005 11:03:27 PM PDT by oceanperch (Oregon Coast Rocks. Pride of the Pacific Northwest.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
[ I would like to ask the Justices how they feel approving of something that even the repressive country of Saudi Arabia doesn't do. They have no public domain law. The King can't even take property away from it's owner. ]

Unless he sends someone to kill him first, and one of his sons marrys the widow..

229 posted on 06/23/2005 11:04:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Tobor

we are in agreement on that, there is specific eminent domain right (or there was before today). what I am saying is, don't couple that with saying it also means a single family homeowner has a right to build a 50 story building in place of it. they don't.


230 posted on 06/23/2005 11:04:55 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: RWCon

Bump to what you posted.


231 posted on 06/23/2005 11:05:15 PM PDT by oceanperch (Oregon Coast Rocks. Pride of the Pacific Northwest.)
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To: annelizly

Our County Commissioners are considering having all Cats be licensed under the advisement made by the County Animal Control.

I have rarely ever heard a call to Animal Control for Cats on the loose and at large as I hear them almost daily regarding dogs on the scanner.

Another Ploy to bring in revenue no doubt.


232 posted on 06/23/2005 11:09:12 PM PDT by oceanperch (Oregon Coast Rocks. Pride of the Pacific Northwest.)
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To: ByDesign
Well, it was nice here, while it lasted. The country I was born in no longer exists.

I have been sadly coming to this conclusion over the last few years, and preparing to move. This seems to be the nail in the coffin.

233 posted on 06/23/2005 11:10:28 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: endthematrix
No doubt there is a large segment of unintelligent people in America.

Despite the shoddiness of the public school system and the vote counts the Democrats get, the number of unintelligent people in this country is far lower than the term "sheeple" implies.

The premise is that even if millions of people ignorantly surrender any particular right, understanding that it's our collective rights that fade, and desperately deserve preserving.

Oh, I understand the premise behind the posted article. What I don't understand is the application of the word sheeple to Americans. People are smarter than those who use said word are willing to admit.
234 posted on 06/23/2005 11:14:31 PM PDT by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: cyborg
Federal Express is delivering iced tea to hell as we speak!

In the middle of a blizzard!

235 posted on 06/23/2005 11:15:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Very sad indeed. This hateful, despicable decision may be the last nail in the coffin of what was once America. People can now have their homes snatched out from under them "for the public good"??? What the heck is the SCOTUS thinking???!!!

Don't expect any help from Bush, however. He has a problem in the form of a certain deal made for the purchase of land for a certain Texas stadium back in the early 1990's. If he does speak up about this, the MSM will rip him to shreds.

Only a constitutional amendment can save us now. Call your Congresscritters and Senators and DEMAND a Constitutional amendment to overturn the decision by these judicial TYRANTS. This decision must NOT be allowed to stand!


236 posted on 06/23/2005 11:16:44 PM PDT by commonsense04
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To: Blood of Tyrants
We will see if the Supremes have actually done us all a favor. It is high time to set aside petty squabbles, and even table the larger issues for this, something we can all agree on.

If private property is not sacrosanct, we have no freedom, no security, no prosperity.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

All rendered meaningless by a 5-4 decision?

I think not!

237 posted on 06/23/2005 11:23:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: oceanview
"don't couple that with saying it also means a single family homeowner has a right to build a 50 story building in place of it. they don't."

I think property rights are one of the primary tools of Freedom.

Violation and degradation of property rights are one of the primary tools of evil and socialism. That happened today. and the sheep abide.


I think the landowner does have a right to build a skyscraper next to my farm. I think the Constitution does not grant to the government the right to say that he can't.

You still don't seem to get it.

The Constitution limits the government, not us.

We are Free, the government is contained by the constitution, not us.

Our Rights do not come to us from the government.
Go figure.

But, the government's rights do come from us, and our consent.

We the People are the final check in our system and the Second Amendment was intended to insure that the People always matter and have a say in what happens here.
238 posted on 06/23/2005 11:28:19 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: Sandy
I agree with you 100%.

But considering that the lefties are as angry over this as we are (although as you said for different reasons), we may be able to use this to our advantage. Now we can tell them, "By blocking Bush's nominations to the Supreme Court, preferring instead justices like Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg and Breyer, you are guaranteed more rulings just like this one." The wall put up to Bush's nominations might then start to crack.

239 posted on 06/23/2005 11:29:43 PM PDT by Dave Olson
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To: bobhoskins

I know, scary, isn't it?


240 posted on 06/23/2005 11:30:39 PM PDT by shellshocked (Rule 308 trumps all other judges rulings.)
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To: oceanview
"try answering a specific question. do you have a constitutional right to convert your house in the residential area its located in, and make it a nuclear waste dump or an adult bookstore? yes or no. or can the legislature regulate that?"

There's no Constitutional right to the land, or the house. Ownership is a privilege granted upon payment of fees, taxes and property maintenance according to extensive volumes of ridiculous, bureaucratic codes. It's rented communal property. Nuke reclamation sites and porn shops are additionally regulated and licenced.

Furthermore, there's no Constitutional right to pick your nose, or wipe your butt either. State health and safety codes can regulate that and under the Commerce Clause the feds can toss in their 2 cents too, since you'd be effecting interstate commerce in "med" services.

The Constitution doesn't grant rights. It's the blueprint for a govm't that should protect them.

241 posted on 06/23/2005 11:32:36 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

"The Constitution doesn't grant rights. It's the blueprint for a govm't that should protect them"

Says something sad about our world that even the folks here, at FR, don't seem to know that.


242 posted on 06/23/2005 11:48:18 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: Blood of Tyrants

great post, BoT.

Tree of Liberty bump.


243 posted on 06/23/2005 11:48:22 PM PDT by the crow (I'm from the government. I'm here to help.)
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To: nygoose; All

With respect to your reply to post 218 in this thread: Then it is incumbent upon you to do something and encourage others that you know to do something! Let's get it done people while we still have the chance.

Ravenstar


244 posted on 06/23/2005 11:54:58 PM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: Age of Reason
"If this land were being given to some conservation group to protect a spotted owl or some cave bugs, they wouldn't blink an eye. "

I also have less problem with that than with the taking of our land to give to a corporation.

I have an equally large problem with the idea that just because I own land I am presumed to be unable or unwilling to allow nature to coexist there. This merely states that some "expert" will do a better job of taking care of land that has been in the family's care for over 300 years.

Had that land not been cared for in the first place, there would be no endangered whatsywhoosit to protect.

245 posted on 06/24/2005 12:02:05 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Many freedoms were lost before this.


246 posted on 06/24/2005 12:14:01 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: Ravenstar

What exactly are we going to get done?


247 posted on 06/24/2005 12:14:49 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: TheOtherOne

At least the Feds are not making it a hate crime for the property owner not to take their offer.


248 posted on 06/24/2005 12:15:38 AM PDT by nygoose
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bttt


249 posted on 06/24/2005 12:15:46 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You make excellent points. There are so many freedoms we have already lost. I hope, along with you that people will be alarmed .

I noticed the MSM is reporting on the ruling. It appears even they (news media) are a little shocked by it. While they are reporting what happened, I noticed they wouldn't name the "justices" who voted FOR this outrage. They seem to be down playing the fact that they are all liberals, while the Conservatives dissented in the strongest possible terms.

For any democRAT voters lurking- let's make sure you understand what has happened: You work hard, save your money, buy a house. You put money into that house, and you want to leave that house to your children.

Guess what? That house that you worked so hard to get, is only yours until the govt. along side a big corporation, decides they want your property. They can take YOUR house away from you.

Oh, they have to offer money, but does that equal what you put into your house? Does it make up for the fact that you wanted to leave your home to your kids?(Some of the houses involved in the case had been in the owner's families since the early 1800's- several generations of family members were born in them). This really means that you don't own that propery at all.

THE UNELECTED SUPREME HIGH OVERLORDS OF THE USSA HAVE DISPENSED WITH YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
WAKE UP AMERICA! WAKE UP!

This is the most serious threat to the United States that has occured in my life time. I don't know what to do. I'm beyond outrage. Maybe we should send tea bags to the court and congress? This is on a par with the Boston Tea party, or it should be. What is the congress going to do about this? This is what leads to Civil War and states seceeding from the Union.

I was surprised at one conservative talk show host who, while acknowleging the seriousness of the issue, suggested that the solution was to " elect City Council members who won't take your property away". I was thinking What? This goes way beyond electing city council.

In fact, if this abomination is allowed to stand, there won't be a point to having elections or voting. The Judicial branch of government will officially establish itself as an unelected dictatorship. It's that serious.

I am fed up with republican's cowering over judicial nominations, and being to lazy to take thE democrats on. i.e. not making the rats filibuster for real, or using the constitutional ammendment, or whatever you have to.

Note to all Republican elected officials-

YOU WERE NOT SENT TO WASHINGTON TO "GET ALONG" WITH THE DEMACRATS.

YOU WERE SENT THERE TO STOP THEM. YOU WERE SENT THERE TO PREVENT THIER SOCIALIST AGENDA FROM BEING IMPLEMENTED.

250 posted on 06/24/2005 12:22:27 AM PDT by Pajamajan ("Where there's life there's hope"-Terri Schindler's message to the world.- Never Forget.)
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