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Bay Area to get suspension span, $4 tolls
Contra Costa Times ^ | 6/23/05 | Andrew LaMar and Mike Adamick

Posted on 06/23/2005 9:29:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO - The Bay Bridge will get a fancy design after all, but the region's motorists will get stuck with paying most of the span's $3.7 billion in cost overruns, under a legislative deal reached Thursday night.

The accord calls for bridge tolls on all state-owned Bay Area spans to jump from $3 to $4 beginning Jan. 1, 2007 and the state to kick in $630 million for the project, which has been saddled with delays and escalating prices since its inception seven years ago.

No further toll increases are planned. Rather, the balance of the $6.3 billion estimated tab of Bay Bridge's new eastern span will be covered by refinancing toll debt. That is expected to generate another $500 million.

In addition, any future cost overruns to build the suspension span must be covered by bridge tolls.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, D-Oakland, signed off on the agreement shortly after 6 p.m. today, according to a source familiar with the talks. It still must be approved by the state Legislature.

The deal drew mixed reaction from Bay Area transportation officials and lawmakers, who said they are relieved construction can move forward but had hoped the state would pay a greater portion of the bridge's cost. The project is scheduled to be completed by 2011.

"I think it would be a really good thing, and it's way past time," said Mark DeSaulnier, a Contra Costa County supervisor and member of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission. He said he had yet to be briefed on the plan but called it "good news."

The agreement, should it hold up, would end 10 months of contentious negotiations between the Schwarzenegger administration and Bay Area legislators. At issue was whether to streamline the design and how to divide the new costs between the area's toll payers and the state.

The Republican governor shocked the region's lawmakers last August when his administration announced the bridge's price tag, previously anticipated to be $2.6 billion, had nearly doubled. The administration blamed the run-up primarily on the bridge's exotic design -- a self-anchored suspension from a tall tower with sweeping cables that is envisioned as an elegant complement to the world-renowned Golden Gate Bridge.

But Bay Area lawmakers pointed to other factors, including poor management by state transportation officials. The state underestimated construction costs and used far more high-cost private engineers than originally forecast, they charged.

Schwarzenegger went on to commission a report by a panel of experts and then to recommend dumping the original design for a skyway -- a highway on stilts. That angered area transportation officials and Bay Area advocates who argued a signature span fit the region's wine-and-cheese image. And because toll payers have been paying for the suspension span since 2001.

Talks between administration officials and top Democrats went nowhere for months, as the bridge's cost continued to rise and a new controversy erupted over whether welds on the first segment of the span were safe. Transportation officials determined the welds met safety standards, despite allegations from workers that the job had been botched because of the push to meet construction deadlines.

Perata and Sen. Tom Torlakson, D-Antioch, led negotiations with the governor, and conceded from the time they began that higher tolls would be necessary. The only question was when and how much the tolls would climb.

Schwarzenegger pushed the Bay Area to front all the overruns, meaning a $5 toll hike as soon as this year. The region's lawmakers, however, said they wanted the state to cover more overruns right away, thereby allowing a toll hike to be postponed until as late as 2009.

Last summer, the MTC told lawmakers that a toll hike in 2009 would create $1.9 billion through financing and selling bonds. A state contribution of $800 million would be needed right away, MTC officials said.

Under today's agreement, less state money is required because more toll money would be available sooner. A $1 toll hike in 2007 that likely runs for 30 years could provide $2.1 billion by financing and selling bonds.

The bridge is currently forecast to cost $6.3 billion, which includes $800 million in contingencies.

Transportation officials say the self-anchored suspension segment of the project can be bid out and awarded by January, if the deal is passed by June 30.

Art Nicola, a Bay Point resident who said he occasionally drives across the Bay Bridge, applauded the region's legislators for fighting for the more aesthetically pleasing structure.

"Personally, I'd like to see the original suspension span design. The Bay Area is a world class locale and it just doesn't seem right to go on the cheap," Nicola said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bayarea; baybridge; span; stupidity; suspension; tolls
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1 posted on 06/23/2005 9:29:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
"...the bridge's price tag, previously anticipated to be $2.6 billion,
$3.7 billion in cost overruns...
The bridge is currently forecast to cost $6.3 billion"

That is for 1 bridge!

I wonder if any Civil Servants are going to get fired for this gross abortion?

BOHICA

Kalifornicate is becoming more unbelievable and unlivable each day..

Semper Fi

2 posted on 06/23/2005 9:46:55 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds mostly fair given the circumstances. I mean, it sucks for the bridge users (REALLY SUCKS for the bridge users that is NOT the Bay Bridge. Being forced to pay for the politician's folley), but, well, the politicans here wanted a fancy bridge, WE are getting it through higher tolls. Sure, the Bridge users get screwed, but hey, not EVERYONE is getting screwed.

Actually, since I don't use the bridge often, not even me and I live here. :-P But for those who use the bridges, too bad. Blame the politicians for it!


3 posted on 06/23/2005 9:59:18 PM PDT by Simmy2.5 (There are more conspiracies at DU then there are on Coast to Coast AM.)
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To: NormsRevenge
One word...

BART

4 posted on 06/23/2005 9:59:45 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: NormsRevenge

$4 to cross the bridge seems a little steep, but I have no problem in the people using the bridge paying for it.

Now what I have a problem with is what they did in my home state of Mass (damn I can't wait till I can afford to move south), they diverted the tolls from the Mass Pike (I-90 which goes West to East) to pay for the big leak which was supposed to improve traffic on I- a North South route, So the people who paid the most for that project get no bennifit from it at all.


5 posted on 06/23/2005 10:01:43 PM PDT by bgnn32
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To: NormsRevenge
Schwarzenegger pushed the Bay Area to front all the overruns, meaning a $5 toll hike as soon as this year. The region's lawmakers, however, said they wanted the state to cover more overruns right away, thereby allowing a toll hike to be postponed until as late as 2009.

Just until we don't care about the public's reaction.

6 posted on 06/23/2005 10:02:41 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: bgnn32
I would think a resident of Mass would be more peeved about the Big Dig Ripoff.

I know I am, and I don't even live there.

7 posted on 06/23/2005 10:03:13 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: South40

BART! lol

That opens a whole new can of worms for the South Bay folks.. who are trying to get it into downtown San Jose, but so far have struck for a number of reasons.


8 posted on 06/23/2005 10:03:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

struck out, that is.


9 posted on 06/23/2005 10:04:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

10 posted on 06/23/2005 10:04:53 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: NormsRevenge

cheap. its $9 to cross NYC bridges now.


11 posted on 06/23/2005 10:05:23 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: South40

From my understanding about the big ripoff, even WE paid for part of it (money from the Federal government).

At least in this case, the cost overruns will be paid for by the people using the bridges. And for $4, steep? Yeah. But from what I've heard, compared to NY tolls, it's still cheaper (heard they are up to $6 there for at least some of the bridges).


12 posted on 06/23/2005 10:05:50 PM PDT by Simmy2.5 (There are more conspiracies at DU then there are on Coast to Coast AM.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Anyone who tries to drive the Bay area deserves the headache they've brought upon themselves.


13 posted on 06/23/2005 10:06:15 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: oceanview

Well, there you go! Our $4 doesn't look so bad now.


14 posted on 06/23/2005 10:06:21 PM PDT by Simmy2.5 (There are more conspiracies at DU then there are on Coast to Coast AM.)
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To: oceanview
9$! What a rip!

After 35 years of collecting tolls they finally stopped charging to cross the Coronado Bridge in San Diego. But it's paid for.


15 posted on 06/23/2005 10:09:11 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: NormsRevenge

What does it cost to cross the GG. I used it in March but don't remember the fare...


16 posted on 06/23/2005 10:09:54 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: Simmy2.5
From my understanding about the big ripoff, even WE paid for part of it (money from the Federal government)

I heard that also. And who do we have to blame? The good senators from Mass, both Kerry & Kennedy.

17 posted on 06/23/2005 10:10:39 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: tubebender

Trate for two-axle vehicles with cash to cross the GG is $5 and $4 with FasTrak.


18 posted on 06/23/2005 10:12:18 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: tubebender

$5.

$4 if ya have Fastrak, the electronic gadget.


19 posted on 06/23/2005 10:12:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: South40

I thought it was five. I think it opened in 1938 and has been paid for several times but the thugs running the bay area are using the tolls for their own slush funds...


20 posted on 06/23/2005 10:15:29 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why do they need a bridge? San Francisco has plenty of fairies.


21 posted on 06/23/2005 10:16:07 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Plutarch
It's still an ugly looking bridge IMO. Maybe it's better looking compared to the 'freeway on stilts', but still, ugly.

I would've prefered the single tower cable-stayed bridge (similar to this one, but instead of the cables being suspended down like this, all the cables go to the tower instead). Better looking, and CHEAPER if they had choosen that one (since those are more common. In fact, one of the 'unique' feature about this bridge, it would be a first of its kind. Single tower suspension bridge).

For a better example of what I mean, here's a picture of a cable-stayed bridge. Not the alternative for the Bay Bridge (couldn't find a good one), but this is what I had in mind. Just imagine this, but only one tower, and green glass where the cables meet.

The above is the Sunshine Skyway in Tampa Bay, Florida.

22 posted on 06/23/2005 10:16:43 PM PDT by Simmy2.5 (There are more conspiracies at DU then there are on Coast to Coast AM.)
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To: tubebender

The GG Bridge toll money is being used to subsidize the Ferry's and Buses that run between Marin and SF


23 posted on 06/23/2005 10:18:06 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: NormsRevenge

6.3 billion for a bridge? Are they out of their #*&#%#@ minds? What's wrong with the bridge that's there already?


24 posted on 06/23/2005 10:18:25 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: tubebender
That's what usually happens. Getting them to stop collecting and spending is nearly impossible.

As I recall, the last argument they put forward in an attempt to continue charging tolls to cross the Coronado Bridge in San Diego was it would put the booth workers out of work. Sad, when you consider some had had the job for 35 years. But it was hardly reason enough to keep charging tolla.

25 posted on 06/23/2005 10:19:25 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

lol!


26 posted on 06/23/2005 10:20:14 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Yup. And you know what? They are STILL haven't money problems despite the higher tolls because of that! Apparently running mostly empty busses and ferries is not a smart business move.


27 posted on 06/23/2005 10:20:57 PM PDT by Simmy2.5 (There are more conspiracies at DU then there are on Coast to Coast AM.)
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To: river rat
I wonder if any Civil Servants are going to get fired for this gross abortion?

It usually mean promotions. Civil servants don't get demoted. If anything they just get "restructured" into an area that is out of sight out of mind and pays more.

28 posted on 06/23/2005 10:22:57 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: oceanview

---cheap. its $9 to cross NYC bridges now.---

$9!? The DEA should start manning the booths. These drivers are carrying large amounts of cash, probably drug proceeds.


29 posted on 06/23/2005 10:23:45 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: tubebender
I think it opened in 1938 and has been paid for several times but the thugs running the bay area are using the tolls for their own slush funds...

Do I remember right - there are something like 16 parasites on the GG "Bridge Board", they decide big things like "yeah, keep painting it and patching the potholes" and get well over $100,00 each for this? And that one bridge is all they handle?

The bridge is up, paid for long ago, yet they pay millions to many parasites to "oversee" it. What a scam.

30 posted on 06/23/2005 10:26:39 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: claudiustg
What's wrong with the bridge that's there already?

...um...like an earthquake that tore it in half...cars went over the edge...people died...

31 posted on 06/23/2005 10:27:18 PM PDT by paulat
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To: oceanview
cheap. its $9 to cross NYC bridges now.

Which ones?

32 posted on 06/23/2005 10:33:27 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: paulat

...um...like an earthquake that tore it in half...cars went over the edge...people died...

That was almost 20 years ago. They did repairs and upgrades. In fact they were running all over the state doing upgrades to bridges, some really ugly upgrades too. What? Are people afraid to drive on it?


33 posted on 06/23/2005 10:36:37 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Petronski

all of the TBTA ones. Verrazano ($9 one direction), the midtown tunnel ($4.50 each way), throgs neck, whitestone, triboro.


34 posted on 06/23/2005 10:37:56 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Throg's Neck is $4.50

GW is $7.00 eastbound.

Verranzano is $9.00 one way.



You make it sound like $9 each way. Are there any that expensive?


35 posted on 06/23/2005 10:40:03 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: claudiustg
That was almost 20 years ago.

Dude...it was 14 years ago and I was there.

What kind of idiot thought puts a mere 14 years on earthquake time?

36 posted on 06/23/2005 10:41:18 PM PDT by paulat
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To: NormsRevenge
To all of my fellow Freepers, The view from a country boy in Omaha is that the madness of big city life has rally altered your sensibility. $4 for a bridge trip because its a cool bridge? $9 for a bridge trip because an overcrowded hive is charging what the market will bear. Wow flyover country looks better every day.
37 posted on 06/23/2005 10:43:07 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (Satan has a new name and it is Islam)
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To: South40

Ah, yes, BART, the same fine folk who are threatening to strike July 1st.

Don't even get me started on BART - besides, BART is more expensive than driving.


38 posted on 06/23/2005 10:43:24 PM PDT by ByDesign
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To: Petronski

is this CA one $4 each way? or $4 round trip? even $8 round trip is less then the NY bridges at $9.


39 posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:12 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: hatfieldmccoy

rally=really


40 posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:39 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (Satan has a new name and it is Islam)
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To: ByDesign
besides, BART is more expensive than driving.

Not if you have to pay to park.

41 posted on 06/23/2005 10:48:12 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: oceanview

Tolls are charged one way, the other way is no charge, so the toll may be thought of as a round trip fare.


42 posted on 06/23/2005 10:48:21 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: paulat

---Dude...it was 14 years ago and I was there.

What kind of idiot thought puts a mere 14 years on earthquake time?---

It was 1989 and I was there too. I'm the kind of idiot that moved to Montana and forgot about that foul place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bay_Bridge_collapse.jpeg


43 posted on 06/23/2005 10:49:51 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

so its $4 round trip. a bargain, we pay $9 in NYC.


44 posted on 06/23/2005 10:51:10 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I dunno, but I can't believe "it's $9 to cross NY bridges now."

That description sounds like $9 per crossing. Sorry if I'm too pedantic...I was confused.


45 posted on 06/23/2005 10:56:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: NormsRevenge
We could never build another Hoover Dam. Even if it got past the environmentalists, the cost would be prohibitive.
46 posted on 06/23/2005 10:56:40 PM PDT by Flyer (Nuthin' finer than a grackle crap marinade for fixin' those word famous Houston face fajitas)
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To: claudiustg
6.3 billion for a bridge? Are they out of their #*&#%#@ minds?

If they could just figure out a way to make it in China and ship it here. Probably be a lot cheaper that way.

47 posted on 06/23/2005 10:58:37 PM PDT by Musket
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To: claudiustg
Sorry...my math was off...it was the World Series Game day in 1989...so it was 16 years ago...my bad...

I lived downtown...Bush St....where were you...I was 9 stories up...and man...did that rock 'n roll!!!

48 posted on 06/23/2005 11:01:34 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Petronski

well, most people who cross in one direction - have to go back the other way. the only people making one way trips are those moving out of NY.


49 posted on 06/23/2005 11:02:51 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Like I said, my error. Be well, OV.


50 posted on 06/23/2005 11:04:41 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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