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Allstate terminates manager over homosexuality column
WorldNetDaily ^ | June 24, 2005 | Ron Strom

Posted on 06/23/2005 11:36:00 PM PDT by scripter

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1 posted on 06/23/2005 11:36:00 PM PDT by scripter
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To: little jeremiah

Ping


2 posted on 06/23/2005 11:36:16 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter

The training, Barber says, "is really indoctrination hostile toward thousands of employees' Christian beliefs."


3 posted on 06/23/2005 11:38:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: BenLurkin

I hope he wins big. If I had Allstate, I would terminate my policy tomorrow.


4 posted on 06/23/2005 11:41:37 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter

Either their HR department is populated by morons, which is possible, or we are missing some very significant facts in this story. It's hard to believe that they would explicitly say they were terminating only for expressing a private opinion outside of work.

In any case, it will be hard for the "good hands people" to wash this off (sorry couldn't resist).


5 posted on 06/23/2005 11:44:09 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("Sometimes you're windshield, sometimes you' re the bug")
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To: scripter

You're in the wrong hands with Allstate.


6 posted on 06/23/2005 11:44:16 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday." -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: scripter
"The tolerance is only running one way."

Yep. I would imagine Allstate is hostile to ex-gays as well: I Do Exist.

7 posted on 06/23/2005 11:44:45 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter

I'll ping the list tomorrow. Horrible. Another company to discard. I wonder if someone is keeping a list somewhere? I'm sure there is one.

What a courageous man he is - obviously he hasn't taken too many blows to the head, either - looks like a good writer.

I hope he wins big.


8 posted on 06/23/2005 11:45:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Wiseghy

I thought the same thing, but you never know how bold some may get when they think they can't lose.


9 posted on 06/23/2005 11:46:48 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: RepoGirl

guess we're getting another home insurance company . . .


10 posted on 06/23/2005 11:46:49 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (are you threatening me? I am the great cornholio!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
You're in the wrong hands with Allstate.

Somebody had to say it!

11 posted on 06/23/2005 11:47:37 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter

I'd hate to think where those hands may have been.


12 posted on 06/23/2005 11:48:15 PM PDT by dfwgator (Longhorns are Gator Bait!!!)
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To: scripter
Whoops. One of the links at the end of the article has an problem. Here it is: Kodak fires man over 'gay' stance.
13 posted on 06/23/2005 11:52:26 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: little jeremiah

Making too many typos. See you tomorrow...


14 posted on 06/23/2005 11:52:57 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: Wiseghy

Their HR group is populated with morons--as an HR pro myself, this case is reaching way over the line. Expressing one's views on his own time? Not using company property for private use? Not engaged in any conflict of (financial) interest? Absurd and wimpy to the 10th degree. Another insurance firm off my list--let's see, there's Progressive and now Allstate.


15 posted on 06/23/2005 11:54:26 PM PDT by BamaAndy (democrats are base, stupid socialists without a clue.)
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To: scripter

Curious someone can get fired from their job for writing about their beliefs about marriage and sex. Let`s see if a gay would be for doing the same, oh but that`s right, free speech is limited to only those select few in this PC generaton.

Every year here in NYC they have Hillary Clintons favorite parade, the "Gay pride" parade, usually on a Sunday where people with their children coming out of church get to view full frontal nudity and blatant homosexual acts. I wonder how long a "heterosexual pride" parade would last before it was shut down, maybe about 3 micro seconds? Let`s see what would happen if a naked man and woman did simulated sex acts on a parade float down 5th ave.


16 posted on 06/23/2005 11:54:44 PM PDT by EdHallick (It`s time to play the feeuuud! "Name something evil" "Hitlery" ..Good answer good answer "Survey say)
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To: scripter

If this hadn't come from WorldNetSlutty (Y2K scaremongers) I'd give up Allstate tomorrow. Hopefully someone else of reputable worth will run this??


17 posted on 06/23/2005 11:56:24 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: scripter
Or, perhaps it should be:

You're in gay hands with Allstate.

18 posted on 06/23/2005 11:57:45 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday." -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Wiseghy
"A notice about the Allstate foundation says funds are given to "nonprofit organizations that are related to tolerance, diversity and inclusion."

GLAAD and the LAMBDA.

So, they must be tolerant, inclusive and appreciative of the diversity represented by the Christian community. Right?

19 posted on 06/23/2005 11:59:23 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: BamaAndy

USAA is a great insurance company.


20 posted on 06/23/2005 11:59:50 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
guess we're getting another home insurance company . . .

Bravo! If I had 'em, I'd be right in line with you. I don't have a problem with puritans per se, but when they set up an inquisition to enforce this crusading amorality, it's time to start looking for ways to "break it off" in 'em.

21 posted on 06/24/2005 12:04:21 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: scripter

And to think that I saw their commercial earlier tonight and thought I'd call them for a quote. Not any more!


22 posted on 06/24/2005 12:06:23 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Same stuff, different democRAT [this tagline rated PG-13])
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To: scripter

Guess who my insurance company, er.... WAS?
My wife has been putting insurance solicitations in front of me for months and asking me to look into new insurance. No more procrastination - - Allstate is DONE insuring my family. Puke.


23 posted on 06/24/2005 12:08:14 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Windsong
If this hadn't come from WorldNetSlutty (Y2K scaremongers)

And what year is it now?

24 posted on 06/24/2005 12:10:11 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Wiseghy
Well, we talk all the time about how we supposedly have "freedom of speech" in this country. But I would argue the only Americans who truly have freedom of speech are the self-employed and the unemployed.

This is just the latest in a string of cases I've heard about where someone gets fired for something they say or do completely outside the work environment. I've heard that the woman who started a recall campaign against Spokane's troubled mayor was also fired from her job as a florist because the floral company didn't want the "controversy" to hurt their business when people found out one of their employees was organizing the recall petition.

25 posted on 06/24/2005 12:11:54 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: Choose Ye This Day
You're in the wrong hands with Allstate.

And be careful... Those limp wrists may drop you!

26 posted on 06/24/2005 12:13:23 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: scripter
I thought the same thing, but you never know how bold some may get when they think they can't lose.

I smell a queer in the HR department. Remember the queer lawyers from the justice department in the Philadelphia five case?

27 posted on 06/24/2005 12:13:27 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: scripter

You are only able to speak your mind about morality in Muslim countries.... kind of twisted and ironic.


28 posted on 06/24/2005 12:17:22 AM PDT by Porterville (Don't make me go Bushi on your a$$)
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To: NonValueAdded
And to think that I saw their commercial earlier tonight and thought I'd call them for a quote. Not any more!

Perhaps you should e-mail the CEO and let him know how his HR department is pissing away his advertising budget.

29 posted on 06/24/2005 12:18:03 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: scripter

I have Allstate car insurance, and I just now printed out this story and plan to talk to my agent about it next time I go in. The only thing that bothers me is the fact that Allstate was mentioned in the writer's bio that ran with the story. That's a real problem even if the writer didn't know it was going to be included.


30 posted on 06/24/2005 12:19:09 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

You're in light loafers with Allstate.


31 posted on 06/24/2005 12:21:14 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday." -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: scripter

Allstate


Contact us by e-mail


https://messaging.allstate.com/Corp/Corp_ProcessEmail.asp


32 posted on 06/24/2005 12:26:47 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: scripter

Methinks Mr. Barber is going to come into a nice piece of change somewhere down the road.


33 posted on 06/24/2005 12:27:46 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

1-800-Allstate

Contact company headquarters

* For Allstate Insurance Company, Allstate Indemnity Company, or Allstate Life Insurance Company:

* Call 1-847-402-5000
* Send us an e-mail
* Write to us at Northbrook, IL 60062


34 posted on 06/24/2005 12:31:47 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Windsong
List of Barber Columns in MND

Looking through his work, even briefly, I can see why the lefties and pansexualists have got their tighties in a wad.

You go Matt!

dung.
35 posted on 06/24/2005 12:33:29 AM PDT by Moose Dung (Soiling the Shoes of the Lunatic Left)
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To: scripter
If I had Allstate, I would terminate my policy tomorrow.

How glad I am that Allstate turned me down 35 years ago because I was single and just out of the military. I've never considered contacting them since and never will.

36 posted on 06/24/2005 12:54:06 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: BamaAndy
let's see, there's Progressive and now Allstate.

Just out of curiosity what was with Progressive? Not that I want to check them out because I don't.

37 posted on 06/24/2005 12:56:55 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that Allstate was mentioned in the writer's bio that ran with the story.

So, does that mean we all should refrain from blogging because someone might add to our comments and we get the blame for them? I think not. Talk about taking away the freedom of expression and I thought that only applied to Muslim countries and China.

38 posted on 06/24/2005 1:04:46 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Wiseghy
I think ? that their Human Resources department has been over run by closet homosexuals.
This is discrimination against this mans religious rights and beliefs, I hope this man wins this law suite, and puts those homosexuals in the poor house.
Everyone here on FR, fellow Republicans, Christians ? this is the agenda, plain, the war that the homosexuals and feminist want to wage on us.
The want to seize control of our country, our institutions, schools, government, take away our property, our rights, and it is happening in front of our faces, we need to rise up and fight back, and take back America NOW , or else , we will lose our country, our children, our government, and our churches.
39 posted on 06/24/2005 1:14:55 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: taxesareforever
So, does that mean we all should refrain from blogging because someone might add to our comments and we get the blame for them? I think not.

If the Allstate reference was indeed added to the writer's bio by a third party, I think the correct resolution would be for Allstate to re-hire the writer and for a disclaimer to be posted where the article originally ran that says Allstate does not necessarily support the views of the writer. Allstate has a right to be mad if its name was used in the writer's bio without any disclaimer.

40 posted on 06/24/2005 1:33:21 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: scripter

three children in four years? Give the old gal a breather, buddy- time is on your side!

On another note, this Mr. Barber is a good writer and a smart man. I doubt he'll have difficulty finding gainful employment elsewhere- who knows, maybe he'll be better off in a more 'tolerant' company.


41 posted on 06/24/2005 1:53:29 AM PDT by stormlead
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To: stormlead

come to think of it, 3 in 4 ain't really pushing it- especially if there were twins in the mix. Ok, enough stream of consciousness...


42 posted on 06/24/2005 1:56:41 AM PDT by stormlead
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To: Wiseghy
Either their HR department is populated by morons, which is possible, or we are missing some very significant facts in this story.

I think they give those facts in the article. Before his firing Barber had snitched on one of his bosses who was having an affair, and he thinks that's the real reason he was canned. All they'd been waiting for was an excuse.

43 posted on 06/24/2005 2:09:28 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: stormlead
On another note, this Mr. Barber is a good writer and a smart man. I doubt he'll have difficulty finding gainful employment elsewhere- who knows, maybe he'll be better off in a more 'tolerant' company

I doubt. Before he was fired he told on one of his bosses who was having an affair, and in the corporate world I think that's a bigger indiscretion than not liking sodomy.

44 posted on 06/24/2005 2:13:16 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: scripter
The training, Barber says, "is really indoctrination hostile toward thousands of employees' Christian beliefs."

Yeah, but he didn't mind working there until they fired him. What a hypocrite. And he picks that loser lawyer from the Schiavo case to represent him? Brilliant.

45 posted on 06/24/2005 2:23:06 AM PDT by Sandy
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Yeah, but he didn't mind working there until they fired him. What a hypocrite.

What?
Where are you coming from with this accusation?
Everyone can't work for a Christian. And if they have a job working for a creep they're hypocrites? That doesn't make sense to me or seem very Christian of you.

The man had a job, an employer/employee relationship, not a marriage.

Allstate took the job away from him for expressing his opinion outside of work. They left him without means or insurance.

I say Allstate is in big trouble over this one and they'll end up paying him more than back pay and getting his job back *if* the facts of the story are correct.

46 posted on 06/24/2005 2:39:16 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
Here is the bioline from the end of the offending MensNewsDaily article:

"J. Matt Barber is a non-practicing attorney, an undefeated heavyweight professional boxer (Matt "Bam Bam" Barber), and a professional jazz drummer in the Chicago Land (IL) area. In addition to his Law Degree, Barber holds a Master of Arts in Public Policy. Matt Works for Allstate Insurance Company as a Territorial Senior Manager in Allstate's Law and Regulation Corporate Security (Internal Fraud Investigations) Department.

It is probably something put together by the news organization for all of its writers. Matt probably did supply the information at one point - my guess it was when his first article was accepted for use in the publication - and then forgot about it. There is nothing there linking Allstate to his views. Allstate's position becomes even worse if it is subsequently discovered that this bioline has been used in other, earlier articles by him in this new source AND THE COMPANY SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT. Then it becomes a matter of viewpoint discrimination not one of the company aggressively protecting itself from association with ANY viewpoint expressed by ANY of its employees at ANY time.

I suspect his firing was actually driven by his critical comments concerning the assistant vice president's conduct (or misconduct, depending on your viewpoint) and the subsequent complaint he was forced to file when he was harassed about it. The anti-gay article is just a convenient cover for what is really retaliation against the "annoying little Christian" who had the temerity to call a spade a spade.
47 posted on 06/24/2005 2:52:31 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: Captain Rhino

Good points. The bioline does appear to be much more innocent than I had thought. And I do think it's highly likely we would've seen a different reaction from Allstate had Mr. Barber taken the opposite view than he did.


48 posted on 06/24/2005 2:58:43 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: scripter
I'm not insured with Allstate. That being said, this former employee's termination for violating workplace PC rules is a warning to workers and consumers that Corporate America leans Left more than its supposedly leaning Right. Bottom line: don't work for a company that doesn't reflect YOUR values and don't patronize and shop one that doesn't share them in its corporate conduct.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
49 posted on 06/24/2005 3:08:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: scripter

Thank you for pointing this out. I just cancelled my auto and homeowners insurance with Allstate. As a Christian, I can only surmise that my views are not welcome at Allstate.


50 posted on 06/24/2005 3:13:00 AM PDT by Juan Medén
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