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Allstate terminates manager over homosexuality column
WorldNetDaily ^ | June 24, 2005 | Ron Strom

Posted on 06/23/2005 11:36:00 PM PDT by scripter

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To: BamaAndy

Ping


51 posted on 06/24/2005 3:34:13 AM PDT by mlmr (CHICKIE-POO!)
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To: ThirstyMan
And if they have a job working for a creep they're hypocrites?

It's more than that. I just can't stand people who think they have a right to work where they're not wanted. Unless he had a contract, he has no moral right to force this company to accept him anymore than the gays have a right to force him to accept them. It works both ways.

52 posted on 06/24/2005 3:53:36 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: taxesareforever

Progressive is owned or ran by one of the biggest contributors to the DNC and other lefty causes. I'm sorry--don't remeber the name, but he's a liberal's liberal.


53 posted on 06/24/2005 4:06:00 AM PDT by BamaAndy (democrats are base, stupid socialists without a clue.)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

Yeah. Looks like it. This is ridiculous. Now I don't feel so bad about being in blatant violation of their dangerous dogs policy.


54 posted on 06/24/2005 5:57:33 AM PDT by RepoGirl (You can ban my rottweiler when you can pry her from my cold dead hands...)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
think ? that their Human Resources department has been over run by closet homosexuals.

I think HR departments at many companies have been infiltrated by them.

55 posted on 06/24/2005 6:54:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (Longhorns are Gator Bait!!!)
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To: Wiseghy
It's hard to believe that they would explicitly say they were terminating only for expressing a private opinion outside of work.

Why is it so hard to believe? An employer thinks they own you, to the point of thinking they have a right to control everything you say and do both inside and outside of work.

So this action should come as a surprise to no one.

Barber should be be suing. I hope he wins. What I do outside of work is quite frankly none of my employers' damn business.

56 posted on 06/24/2005 7:18:25 AM PDT by Houmatt (Is it too much to ask for Tiffany to forgive my transgressions?)
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To: scripter

Your in A$$muncher hands with allstate...


57 posted on 06/24/2005 7:22:08 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: scripter

Posted my comments to a pulled duplicate (rather than locked thread).

I won't bother wasting my typing skills restating my views.

This dupe could also be on the chopping block.

There are right and wrong ways to manage duplicate threads.

Should I post my comments to both remaining threads?

I'm really confused.


58 posted on 06/24/2005 7:58:40 AM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: scripter

I hope he wins in a big way.


59 posted on 06/24/2005 8:00:18 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Wiseghy

I agree with you that it will be interesting to see what the other side has to say. However, considering that they were jerkish enough to try to cut off his unemployment bennies says that their PR really stinks. They are coming across as abusive bullies right now...


60 posted on 06/24/2005 8:08:03 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: BamaAndy
Progressive is owned or ran by one of the biggest contributors to the DNC and other lefty causes. I'm sorry--don't remeber the name, but he's a liberal's liberal.

From Bloomberg.com:
"Progressive Corp.'s chairman is Peter Lewis, who gives more money to Democratic-leaning groups than any other person, according to the Center for Public Integrity."

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

61 posted on 06/24/2005 8:09:22 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: dfwgator

My term for HR people is [i]Tovarisch Zampolit[/i] - comrade political officer.


62 posted on 06/24/2005 8:10:43 AM PDT by Fred Hayek
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To: Fred Hayek

Don't get me started on HR people.


63 posted on 06/24/2005 8:11:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (Longhorns are Gator Bait!!!)
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To: scripter

That might be exactly what they want. If you really want to kick them in the balz, file a claim.

(Unless it's life insurance) LOL


64 posted on 06/24/2005 8:27:12 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
Allstate has a right to be mad if its name was used in the writer's bio without any disclaimer.

I totally disagree. How many books, articles, columns and letters to the editor are written without disclaimers on them. In the U.S. it is called "Freedom of Speech" and as long as the truth is told no disclaimer is required.

65 posted on 06/24/2005 10:45:37 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: BamaAndy

Thanks.


66 posted on 06/24/2005 10:46:38 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: scripter

btt


67 posted on 06/24/2005 10:51:10 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: scripter

"You're in queer hands, with Allstate!"


68 posted on 06/24/2005 11:06:22 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

You got that right!


69 posted on 06/24/2005 11:07:35 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option!)
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To: Juan Medén

Good on ya!


70 posted on 06/24/2005 11:08:30 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option!)
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To: scripter
It turns out one site that posted the column, MensNewsDaily.com, added to the bio line on the article the fact that Barber worked for Allstate. Barber says he did not include that fact in the original column submission but that the site "disclosed that without my knowledge or consent."

Error by MensNewsDaily

I'll only award him one half of Allstate's assets as damages because of that error.

71 posted on 06/24/2005 11:10:29 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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I think Allstate had every right to fire this guy. If he does not "measure up" to Allstate’s ideas and desires for employees to follow, then they had every right to dump him. Just as every church has the right Not to hire gays for their office work, Allstate has the right to fire someone who is publicly against the gay community if Allstate supports such.

Furthermore, if community groups and grassroots organizations want to organize a boycott of Allstate, THEY have every right to "fire" Allstate as their insurance carrier.

A business should be able to fire anyone for just about any reason they want to fire them for.


72 posted on 06/24/2005 11:40:57 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: ChuxsterS

Curiouser and curiouser PING


73 posted on 06/24/2005 3:40:26 PM PDT by RepoGirl (You can ban my rottweiler when you can pry her from my cold dead hands...)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Very similar to the article I just pung out to my other list. So now if a person holds views that his employer disagrees with (especially if those views are consistent with religious beliefs), said employee can be summarily fired.

This is not separation of church and state (which should have nothing to do with public policy or law since it is not in the Constitution), this is an example of the push to eliminate any reference to God, His laws, His memory, any symbols or words or books that remind people of His existence from schools, the workplace, the roadways, neighborhoods, and indeed, anywhere except your back room with the blinds down.

What they don't realize is that God cannot be ripped out from the core of the heart.

What's next? I'm actually getting a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach - this last SCOTUS decision eliminating the existence of private property ownership might seem not to have much to do with this article, but it does.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


74 posted on 06/24/2005 11:01:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: BamaAndy
I agree, I've been an HR Manager for companies that range from - super corporate to super fly by the seat of our pants - companies. I've never seen such outrageously bold discrimination from people who should know better. They'd HAVE to know this will become a PR nightmare for them. Although I'm 'just a consultant' now, I'm always advising my clients to keep it professional, never delve into personal lives. (Unless it's criminal actions)

Good for the employment department to do the right thing too.

75 posted on 06/24/2005 11:21:02 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: scripter
heres a pic of the hr guy that fired him


76 posted on 06/24/2005 11:45:48 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: scripter; little jeremiah
Hey, I remember posting the article on FR

Wow, they fired him over it? Unbelievable! Wonder what it will do for allstate's business when the word get's out. These companies just don't get it do they?

The New Blacklist: Corporate America is bowing to anti-gay Christian groups’ boycott demands

77 posted on 06/26/2005 8:59:22 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

I hope this turns into a big, big story. And I hope Allstate shells out megabucks for this. There will be more and more such situations in coming years. Sooner or later, the big corporations will be completely hostile environments for anyone who dares to express conservative views on social issues. The fascist left will see to it. and the corporations don't have the ballz to resist.

Deluge Hewitt, Rush, and Hannity with this one. They need to be screaming about it.


78 posted on 06/26/2005 9:03:48 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Heheh - I just clicked your link, and I pung it out. Good, basic reference article.

And the guy got fired. Hatespeech, that's what Allstate thinks it is. Well, if we used Allstate, we'd quit.


79 posted on 06/26/2005 9:05:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: scripter
As if people needed another excuse to choose GEICO, besides that cute Gekko...

ALLSTATE is a pro-fag outfit which discriminates against Christians.

PROGRESSIVE Insurance is owned by Peter B. Lewis, who in 2004 gave $4.5 million to MoveOn.org

80 posted on 06/26/2005 9:11:15 PM PDT by montag813
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To: scripter
Barber claims he was told, "Here at Allstate we have a very diverse community."

As Michael Savage said, "Diversity" = Perversity. Truly we have become a nation worthy of Orwell.

81 posted on 06/26/2005 9:17:00 PM PDT by montag813
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To: California Patriot
corporations don't have the ballz to resist.

They'll have to grow a pair or watch their clientel dwindle to nearly zero and their bottom line turn red. People are starting to get fed up with the radical left and their forced acceptance of deviant behaviors under the guise of "Diversity" Hit em' where it'll get their attention! Their pocketbook.

82 posted on 06/26/2005 9:20:04 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

I agree that lots of people are fed up, but how many people will really take their business elsewhere? Especially if the whole corporate world goes this way?
You are far more optimistic about this than I am. But I hope you're right, because it will become a huge problem.

I have not the slightest doubt that it will get worse before it gets better.


83 posted on 06/26/2005 9:28:34 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: California Patriot
Did you read this...

The new blacklist:Corporate America is bowing to anti-gay Christian groups’ boycott demands

Excerpt:
Spurred on by a biblical injunction evangelicals call “The Great Commission,” and emboldened by George W. Bush’s re-election, which is perceived as a “mandate from God,” the Christian right has launched a series of boycotts and pressure campaigns aimed at corporate America — and at its sponsorship of entertainment, programs and activities the Christers don’t like.

And it’s working. Just three weeks ago, the Rev. Donald Wildmon’s American Family Association (AFA) announced it was ending its boycott of corporate giant Procter & Gamble — maker of household staples like Tide and Crest — for being pro-gay. Why? Because the AFA’s boycott (which the organization says enlisted 400,000 families) had succeeded in getting P&G to pull its millions of dollars in advertising from TV shows like Will & Grace and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. P&G also ended its advertising in gay magazines and on gay Web sites. And a P&G executive who had been given a leave of absence to work on a successful Cincinnati, Ohio, referendum that repealed a ban on any measures protecting gays from discrimination was shown the door.

84 posted on 06/26/2005 9:41:38 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Well, better than nothing.


85 posted on 06/26/2005 9:53:03 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: scripter

Response to my email (included below).

Mr. Andrew:

Thank you for visiting the Allstate web site and sending your e-mail.

It is Allstate's policy to not discuss employment matters regarding
current or former employees on the grounds it is inappropriate to
discuss private matters publicly.

Allstate is a great employer and we're proud of our employment practices
and have been recognized in various venues for our good practices.

While the company has read in website press accounts that a lawsuit has
been filed against the company, we have not been served with the suit.
If and when we receive such a lawsuit, rest assured Allstate will
investigate the allegations and will respond in court.

Thank you again for visiting our Allstate Internet Site!

-----Original Message-----
From: andyndee@msn.com [mailto:andyndee@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:00 AM
To: INTEML90
Subject: E-Mail routed via EchoMail (Ticket# 06242005H1407F54C:RO0002)




This Message is routed to you via EchoMail for the following Reason


This Message is routed to inteml90@allstate.com

EchoMail Ticket# 06242005H1407F54C
Submission to EchoMail : 6/24/05 7:14:07 AM


Customer Information:
First Name: Andrew
Last Name: Huddleston
Title: Mr.
Address: 278 Sugar Hollow Road
City: Jonesborough
State: TN
Zip: 37659
Country: USA
Email: andyndee@msn.com
EveningPhone: (423) 788-7180
ContactPref: Send me an e-mail
Best Evening Contact Time: Afternoon
Customer: Not Customer
Date / Time: 6/24/05 7:14:07 AM

Additional Information:
RFP flag: No
IMS Info: REF_SEQ:7947625:TASK:Corp:


Customer Message : 'pears as if the company should clean out the senior
HR
group--bad decision on Matt Barber if all he did was write an opinion
piece--on HIS OWN TIME and with his own resources. Allstate needn't
ever
call me.

Response Sent : [No response was sent for this message]





86 posted on 06/28/2005 2:35:06 AM PDT by BamaAndy (democrats are base, stupid socialists without a clue.)
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To: scripter
I got word of Allstate's despicable treatment of Matt Barber today via email from the AFA.

I emailed Allstate's home office today informing them that after 45 years of insuring my home and all my vehicles through Allstate, I am now shopping for another insuror(s) for the 3 auto policies which are due for renewal in Aug, and for the blanket homeowner's policy which expires next Feb. My local agent represents several other large insurnce companies, and I will visit his office next week to discuss replacing my current Allstate policies.

I had no idea that Allstate's management has been donating money and other forms of corporate support to pro-sodomy organizations for years with a part of the money I payed in premiums. Allstate's management is free to cater to radical left wing organizations which promote and subsidize the depraved lifestyle of sodomite perverts if they choose to, but I don't intend to help pay the bill for their PC nonsense.

87 posted on 06/28/2005 3:12:10 PM PDT by epow (Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman + 1 God 4 life.)
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To: BamaAndy

That's what "gay pride" does for those who believe it. People become so convinced that there is nothing wrong with their foolishness that they eventually believe they can do NO wrong! ALL the rules go out the window as long as it promotes what they want!


88 posted on 06/29/2005 7:15:19 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (...where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:16-18)
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