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Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.
National Journal ^ | June 24th 2005 | By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

Posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier

WASHINGTON — What if we fail to prevent an attack?

Assume every line of defense against nuclear terrorism is breached: the efforts to lock up nuclear material abroad, to spy out hidden weapons programs, to deter rogue states and capture terrorists, to detect smuggled bombs at the border or downtown — every preventive measure discussed in the previous five installments of this series. Assume someone, somehow, gets all the way through. It only has to happen once.

Assume that this someone puts together a crude atomic bomb, of the “Little Boy” type dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, a heavy and awkward device but one still small enough to fit into a medium-size truck.

Assume that of all the potential targets in the world, from Los Angeles to Moscow, the spot where this someone parks the bomb is on Pennsylvania Avenue, halfway between the White House and the U.S. Capitol.

Assume the bomb goes off. Now what?

The First Minutes: 15,000 Dead

At zero hour, the conventional explosives in the bomb go off. They launch a slug of highly enriched uranium down a surplus artillery tube toward another, larger, but still less-than-critical mass of uranium. As the two come close, the radiation each emits destabilizes atoms in the other, which causes those atoms to split, which emits more radiation, which splits more atoms, which emit more radiation — a nuclear chain reaction. If the bomb makers botched their calculations, the energy released blows the uranium slugs apart too early — a 1-kiloton fizzle, still as powerful as 1,000 tons of TNT, occurs. If the bomb makers got it right, the two uranium masses slam together with sufficient force to reach supercritical mass for a fraction of a second. Depending on the details of the bomb’s design, the resulting explosion has the force of 12,000 to 18,000 tons of TNT — 12 to 18 kilotons.

Parked midway between the White House and the Capitol, the bomb is right in front of the National Archives at 700 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, where the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are displayed. The Archives is vaporized.  The dust that was the building, the documents, the pavement outside, the Navy Memorial across the street, the bodies — all now highly radioactive — shoots five miles up in the air. Remember that dust: It will start coming back down as “fallout” in about 15 minutes.

In the first second, the blast flattens the Justice Department and the FBI’s headquarters, one block west of the Archives, and the Federal Trade Commission, one block east. The offices of the Internal Revenue Service — less than a quarter-mile west from ground zero — and both wings of the National Gallery of Art — within half a mile southeast — collapse. Northward, the shock wave plows through blocks of office buildings to smash in the southern end of the new Convention Center; southward, it blows through the Museum of Natural History, then races over the Mall — and the tourists on it — to destroy the Smithsonian Castle — 0.41 miles — and damage the Energy Department — at 0.49 miles distant — which oversees the U.S. nuclear programs.

The force of the blast is fading at this range, and as it uses up some of its energy in plowing through one massive building after another. But those same structures are channeling the force of the explosion up and down Pennsylvania Avenue, toward the White House and the Capitol.

The ground-level detonation of a 12-kiloton bomb, the lowest estimated yield for the Hiroshima bomb, produces 5 pounds of pressure per square inch — enough to flatten houses and smash up reinforced concrete or monumental stone buildings — at a distance of about 3,400 feet from ground zero. A 15-kiloton bomb, the middle estimate, produces such force at about 3,700 feet; an 18-kiloton bomb, the extreme high end, at about 3,900 feet. From the midpoint of Pennsylvania Avenue to the center of either the White House or the Capitol is just over 4,000 feet. The Founding Fathers’ obsession with the separation of powers, made physical in L’Enfant’s design for the federal city, puts the seats of the executive and legislative branches a mile and a half apart — by happenstance, just far enough that no single Hiroshima-style device can wreck them both.

Both buildings are badly damaged, however. The White House, low to the ground, partially shielded by the Treasury, and rebuilt with reinforced concrete by President Truman, sustains less damage than the sandstone-and-marble Capitol, exposed high on its hill. But even on the far side of each structure from ground zero, doors blow in, windows explode in showers of glass, walls crack. In rooms overlooking Pennsylvania Avenue, the clothing and skin of victims burn. But these two citadels of democracy stand.

Beyond the Capitol and the White House, the shock wave drops off. How fast?  Hard to tell. No one has ever set off a nuclear weapon at ground level in a city: U.S. bombers detonated the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs nearly 2,000 feet up in the air to ensure maximum destruction unimpeded by obstacles on the ground. Naval Postgraduate School professor Robert Harney calculates that in the densest cities — like Manhattan with its skyscrapers — exploding the device at ground level might cut the radius of destruction by roughly half, compared with a ground burst on a perfectly flat plain; by one-third, estimates the RAND think tank; by a few percent, caution government experts speaking anonymously.

Assume, though, that all the urban uncertainties damp the blast force down to that of a 10-kiloton bomb on an open plain. Almost every building within a half-mile of ground zero collapses onto its occupants. Wood and brick structures collapse, and reinforced concrete or monumental stone structures take heavy damage, at up to two-thirds of a mile, just short of the White House and Capitol. A mile or so away — around Capitol Hill, Farragut Square, and Mount Vernon Square — houses are damaged but mainly still standing, which means most of their occupants survive. Two or three miles away, windows shatter violently from Adams Morgan to Arlington. People who happen to be looking straight at the flash are blinded — most of them temporarily — at 13 or 14 miles out. Hundreds of drivers crash.  According to estimates in the Department of Homeland Security’s unpublished National Planning Scenario No. 1, nearly 15,000 people are dead — 95 percent of them within that lethal half-mile of ground zero — and another 15,000 are injured.

All of this takes less than 15 seconds.

As minutes pass, the electrical power grid reels from the sudden loss of every substation downtown and a surge of electromagnetic pulse up power lines. Fuses blow and safeties trip in “many states,” National Planning Scenario No. 1 guesstimates. Well into West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and New Jersey, all the lights go out.

And then, across the region, the emergency generators kick in at firehouses, police stations, local emergency operations centers, major hospitals, and military bases. Broken windows aside, the Pentagon remains intact. So does Fort McNair, home to the military’s local homeland defense command, Joint Force Headquarters-National Capital Region. Said Army Col. James Bartran, JFHQ-NCR’s operations chief, “This area has more capability for responding than anywhere else in the nation; that’s here and ready.” Totally outside the blast zone are Andrews Air Force Base, Bolling Air Force Base, Fort Belvoir, the hospitals at Walter Reed and Bethesda, and even Reagan National Airport. So, too, are the fire, police, and medical services of Alexandria and Arlington and Fairfax counties in Virginia, of Montgomery and Prince George’s counties in Maryland, and even District of Columbia responders in the northern and eastern portions of the city.

Hundreds of miles above Washington, military satellites are measuring the explosion and the mushroom cloud. Data fill the screens at Colorado Springs, home of U.S. Northern Command. At Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Los Alamos and Sandia laboratories in New Mexico, nuclear weapons scientists turn from the TV news to start software that predicts the fallout path. And at the Homeland Security Department’s alternative command post outside Washington — location undisclosed — dazed functionaries mechanically punch through checklists to assemble an Interagency Incident Management Group. They call agency after agency, backup number after backup number, until they get the military people and the scientists and the emergency managers and the local responders all talking to each other.

The country is already starting to move. So is the fallout. Now everything depends on time.

The First Hours: Your Instincts Can Kill You

Everyone for miles has seen the flash. Everyone can guess what’s happened. Everyone knows the obvious things to do. And most everyone is wrong.

Checking CNN won’t work: The power’s out.

Picking up the phone won’t work: Even if the attack didn’t crash the network, everyone’s calls to 911 or to their family will.

Jumping into your car won’t work: A few hundred thousand people just had the same idea — imagine rush hour, only with most stoplights out and the streets downtown blocked by rubble.

Even professional lifesavers have to fight their instincts. Rushing to the rescue won’t work:  More than 15,000 people are injured — that’s more than all the firefighters — paid and volunteer combined — and hospital beds in the D.C. area. Besides, most victims are trapped inside several square miles of burning, collapsed, or tottering buildings, with the streets to reach them gridlocked.

And while people are fighting traffic, either to flee ground zero or to get there to help, the fallout is starting to come down.

Everyone’s first reaction is wrong because the problem is not, in fact, the nuclear blast. If at this point you’re still alive and uninjured — and after a Hiroshima-sized explosion at ground level, 99 percent of the people in the D.C. area are — then your real problem is the radioactive dust that the blast threw into the air. According to the estimates in National Planning Scenario No. 1, an explosion that kills 15,000 people outright could eventually expose 200,000 people to lethal doses of radiation if they stay exposed and unprotected in the fallout path for 24 hours. Sitting downwind in gridlock, with your vehicle’s windshield shattered, goes a long way toward giving you a lethal dose. All sorts of simple alternatives — moving away from downwind, seeking proper shelter, even taking a shower — go a long way toward saving you.

Fallout is simply radioactive dust, launched miles into the air in a mushroom cloud and then carried on the wind. Much of it is alpha particles, whose radiation cannot penetrate bare skin, or beta particles, which cannot penetrate layers of clothing. Both are most dangerous if inhaled — or if they settle on food that is eaten unwashed. More deadly are the gamma rays, whose radiation can go through walls. But even gammas cannot hurt you from cloud height. The danger starts when the dust settles to earth.

The ideal is to avoid the fallout in the first place. In apocalyptic gridlock, you cannot drive very far. But you may not have to.  Normal winds blow the cloud into a long but narrow plume, just a few miles across. In typical Washington-area weather, Virginia, Montgomery County in Maryland, and most of the District itself are not in the fallout path at all. People in the path could conceivably walk out of the fallout zone in the 10 or 15 minutes before the dust begins to fall — if they know which way to go.

But, of course, you cannot count on perfectly typical weather. The wind might shift; the breeze you feel at ground level may be blowing crosswise to the radioactive clouds five miles up; a still day might cause the fallout to seep outward slowly in all directions; sudden rain or snow could wash the dust out of the sky, heavily dousing everything beneath the storm but sparing areas farther out.

If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call “sheltering in place.” You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.

The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation — probably not enough, however, to save someone who’s inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero. A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent.  The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.

For those whom evacuation and shelter fail — or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either — there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove.  “Radiation contamination is easier than chemical,” said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. “Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.”

Every major Washington-area hospital has some decontamination facilities, but 10,000 radiation patients in one day would swamp them. So mass decontamination falls to fire departments, with their mobile pumps and generators; their protective gear; their hazardous-materials experience; and, because both Maryland and Virginia have nuclear power reactors, their years of radiation training. Area firefighters can quickly set up special decontamination tents, and they have plans to take over buildings that have lots of showers — so high school gyms, for example, are a good place to head for. In the chaos of those first hours, said Michael Cline, state coordinator at the Virginia Department of Emergency Management, “the real key is to make sure people go to those facilities.” It will take every firefighter available to man the decontamination sites, and every cop to control the crowds pouring in panic out of the city.

So who goes in to save the wounded? Even if first responders can get downtown in time to save blast victims, they still have to get back out before radiation claims both rescued and rescuer alike. Breathing masks keep alpha particles out of the lungs, protective clothes keep betas off the skin, but nothing light enough to wear can keep out gammas. Responders have radiation sensors, modeling software, and Energy or Defense Department analysts on call to map the radiation plume, plus dosimeters to measure their own exposure. Existing safety standards, written for nuclear power plant accidents, mandate “turn-back limits” on lifesaving runs into the fallout zone.

“Responders are going to have to assess risk relative to lives saved,” said Fairfax County Fire Chief Michael Neuhard. “It may well be that you are committed largely to decontamination, to treating people on the periphery.” Tens of thousands of people fleeing the city could be saved by decontamination. Tens of thousands of others downwind will need help evacuating or finding shelter. Sending rescue workers into the fallout zone will probably cost more lives than it will save.

“We need people to be able to take care of themselves for 72 hours,” said Lara Shane, director of public education for the Homeland Security Department. For any disaster, from nuke to hurricane, DHS advises stockpiling a three-day supply of food and water, a flashlight, and a radio — a battery-powered radio. The power is out; most stations are off the air. But government transmitters and a few private channels will be broadcasting on backup generators. And everything and everyone, from satellites to Energy Department survey planes to local firefighters, are trying to track the fallout plume. At some point — in minutes with good planning, in hours without it — those little battery-powered radios will come alive with urgent bulletins: where the cloud is drifting, what areas should evacuate, what roads are open, and where people can find shelter or decontamination sites.

And all this time, the radiation that keeps the helpers out of downtown, and the victims in it, is fading. By the physicists’ rule of thumb, 90 percent is gone in seven hours, 99 percent in seven times seven — that is, 49 — hours, or two days; and 99.9 percent in seven times seven times seven hours, or two weeks: the civil defense “all-clear” standard from the Cold War.

The First Days: Nation in Motion

Find a small pond. Throw a big rock in it. Now watch the ripple effect.

That, in essence, is the United States after a nuclear terrorist attack. In the early hours, disaster and response alike are local, limited by wind speed and gridlocked highways. In days, the effects convulse the entire country.

With perfectly average weather — a big assumption — the fallout spreads to the east and north along a path 200 miles long and 25 miles wide, drifting out to sea north of Atlantic City, before its radioactivity fades below the National Response Plan’s threshold for increased risk of cancer — 1 rem, which is one-fifth of the acceptable annual dose for nuclear power workers; the rem is the standard unit of measurement for human exposure to radioactivity. Real-world uncertainty about shifts in the wind keeps millions of people on alert to evacuate or take shelter, anxiously following broadcast bulletins as if awaiting a particularly violent hurricane — but without the years of planning that guide Gulf Coast evacuations. Local governments, the Red Cross, and the National Guard struggle to control, feed, shelter, and in some cases decontaminate what National Planning Scenario No. 1 guesstimates to be half a million displaced people. With local hospitals overflowing or contaminated, thousands of patients are shipped out across the country — the less sick they are, the farther they go — to military, veterans, and private medical centers activated under the National Disaster Medical System.

As victims ripple outward from the fallout zone, rescuers are converging inward. The first responders are reeling now. Many are dosed with radiation despite taking precautions, most are using contaminated equipment. All are exhausted from working nonstop shifts wearing heavy protective gear. But as the front line crumbles, reinforcements from the next ring of counties step forward, and from the next county after that, and then the next state, and the next.

“What you have kicking in is something called statewide mutual aid,” said Arlington Fire Chief James Schwartz, who commanded units from four counties at the Pentagon on 9/11. “As Arlington has depleted its capability helping the District, its emergency management system would contact the state: You could see units from Fredericksburg or Richmond coming into Northern Virginia.” A parallel system exists in Maryland.  Nationwide, the District and every state but California and Hawaii are party to the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, which provides databases and advance teams to match what disaster-struck states request with what unaffected states can offer. Federal resources, civilian and military, rally under the National Response Plan.

Across the country, firefighters, paramedics, police, soldiers, and volunteers are loading up their trucks and rolling toward Washington. The resources the nation can mobilize are staggering. The United States has more than 155,000 emergency medical technicians, 600,000 police and sheriff’s deputies, a million firefighters, 1.6 million active-duty military troops, and 1.1 million in the Reserves and National Guard. Taking just 10 percent of those people from their regular duties equals a midsized city of rescuers. The Red Cross alone mustered nearly 55,000 volunteers for 9/11. And in this sea of numbers are countless islands of specialized capabilities. Washington-area jurisdictions have mobile communications vans and generators. Virginia alone has 13 state-sponsored hazardous-materials teams with radiation-monitoring equipment.

The Energy Department has several airplanes and helicopters equipped to monitor fallout from the air, and rapidly deployable teams of nuclear scientists. The Homeland Security Department controls a Strategic National Stockpile of medical supplies prepacked to be moved by air. And the military has all of this and more: mobile hospitals, hazard-suited rescue units, radiation sensors, mobile water purification, warehouses full of Meals Ready to Eat, and the trucks, planes, and helicopters to transport them around the world. In a few days, just as the radiation ebbs, all this aid flows in.

The greatest challenge, in fact, is not getting the resources but coordinating them. At the World Trade Center on 9/11 — one incident in one jurisdiction — firefighters and police had neither radios nor procedures designed to work together. The Pentagon response that day was smoother, with four neighboring jurisdictions reinforcing Arlington’s Fire Chief Schwartz. And “since Sept. 11, we’ve really made a concerted effort on interoperability,” said Scott Graham, a battalion chief in Montgomery County. “Communications within the region have improved greatly.”

But even now, Washington-area agencies sometimes have to physically swap radios to talk on each other’s networks. And nationwide, no common channel, no standard protocol links either local governments or federal agencies.

The nation has, at least, adopted a common framework that organizes all of these assets. Under the Incident Command System — developed by local firefighters, endorsed by Homeland Security, and being taught to federal civilians and the military alike — the local government of the stricken area has command. Units from neighboring jurisdictions answer requests from the local chief. So do the federal agencies — from Energy to Health and Human Services to the Environmental Protection Agency to Defense. They are grouped according to 15 functions by the National Response Plan, and all of them are, in theory, coordinated by a “principal federal official” named by the secretary of Homeland Security. “Issues beyond the secretary’s authority to resolve,” the National Response Plan says unhelpfully, “are referred to the appropriate White House entity for resolution.”

How well this structure comes together after a nuclear explosion is unknown. “Many times, in national exercises,” said Red Cross Executive Vice President Alan McCurry, “we stop before we get to this part.”

The First Weeks: Thousands Fall Ill

By the 14th day after the attack, power should be back on across most of the area. Radiation levels fall to a thousandth of their peak. Rescue workers from across the country are in place and, one hopes, organized. But now, depending on how well sheltering, evacuation, and decontamination went in the first hours after the attack, tens of thousands of exposed people start to die.

“Most of the deaths occur at two-to-four weeks after the incident,” said Col. Jarrett, citing studies of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and nuclear power accidents. Victims will start vomiting a few hours after exposure, but then they enter a latent phase: “They have a couple of weeks before they start becoming clinically ill, and they can be moved to treatment centers across the country, not as patients, but as passengers,” said Jarrett. The bad news is, there is no cure for radiation sickness — not yet, anyway.

Radiation sickness is strange and slow. A high enough dose of radiation can kill in hours, but anyone close enough to get that much is probably dead from the explosion. The less intense energy of the fallout bombards the body and breaks random bits of DNA. Until the cells can repair their genetic code, they cannot divide to make new cells. That’s it:  “All that radiation does is stop cells from dividing,” said Evan Douple, a health physicist with the National Academy of Sciences. "It doesn’t kill them.”

But a few tissues have such high wear and tear that they need new cells constantly. The most obvious, and least essential, is the hair follicles, which explains why cancer patients lose their hair during radiation therapy. Another one is the lining of the digestive tract. At a dose of 1,000 rems or more — 200 times the maximum permitted for nuclear reactor workers in a year, the lining stops regrowing. In seven to 10 days, the lining wears right through, causing infection and internal bleeding. At a dose of a few hundred rems, the bone marrow stops replenishing white blood cells for the immune system and platelets for clotting. After a few weeks, minor injuries continue to bleed and infections fester unchecked.

Specialized treatments do exist. The best known is potassium iodide, stockpiled for the population around nuclear power plants and sold on survivalist Web sites as “antiradiation pills.” Atomic reactions produce radioactive iodide, which accumulates in the thyroid gland, particularly in growing children, eventually causing cancer. Flooding the body with good iodide keeps out the bad. Unfortunately, it does nothing about the dozens of other radioactive isotopes in the fallout from an atomic bomb, which will kill you long before you can develop cancer.

The National Stockpile also includes chelating agents — most famously a substance known as “Prussian blue” for its normal use, as a dye — which chemically bind with certain types of radioactive particles inhaled from the fallout cloud and flush them from the body. Scarce and expensive, chelators still do nothing to reverse the damage done before you take them.

Once the immune system is compromised, the only treatment available today is intensive care: infusions of antibiotics to control infection, platelets to control bleeding, and, at the cutting edge, hormonal growth factors to jumpstart the recovery of bone marrow. This regime has saved victims of radiation accidents — if started promptly, under a doctor’s supervision, in a fully equipped hospital. There is no way to provide that standard of care for tens of thousands of victims.

The government has ramped up its research into the next generation of growth factors, which would regenerate bone marrow without the traditional panoply of other treatments. The Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute sees the most promise so far in a steroid called 5-Androstenediol, brand-named “Neumune” by the institute’s corporate development partner, Hollis-Eden Pharmaceuticals. Neumune requires no refrigeration, has no known side effects, and can be packaged in disposable needles like the nerve gas antidotes now issued to troops and first responders. Five injections over five days dramatically boost survival rates in animals.

So far, unfortunately, that first injection has to be given within four hours of exposure, before the damage to cells outraces the capacity for regrowth. But it is probably impossible to distribute tens of thousands of stockpiled doses across a fallout zone within four hours; and Hollis-Eden’s own cost estimates for mass production are $75 to $100 per person: too high to put Neumune in every citizen’s emergency kit. The current cost and the four-hour window wouldn’t impede first responders, however. With Neumune in their gear, they could be far bolder in fallout-zone rescue operations.

Long-Term Costs

The high toll of a nuclear attack continues long after the fires die down. In the worst case — no one gets to shelter, no one evacuates, no one is decontaminated — National Planning Scenario No. 1 estimates that radiation-damaged DNA will manifest, eventually, as 50,000 cases of cancer, half of them fatal. People keep dying for decades.

The scenario does not even guess the economic cost. Abt Associates, a research and consulting firm in Cambridge, Mass., estimates $150 billion to $3 trillion for the loss of life alone, plus up to $500 billion in property damage. The indirect disruptions ripple unpredictably through the world economy. Just closing the highways and rail lines through Washington costs shippers $5 billion a week. And in contrast to the swift federal response to stabilize the financial markets after 9/11, the Treasury and other key agencies may be too badly damaged and decimated to intervene quickly. “If there’s a long gap between the attack and the ability of the federal government to start running in a normal way,” said Goldman Sachs Vice Chairman Robert Hormats, “that has a very serious economic impact, psychologically in particular.”

How long before the seat of government is restored — if it is restored? “When you go back depends on what standards you use,” said Thomas Cochran, a physicist at the Natural Resources Defense Council. The traditional approach to cleanup is to demolish badly contaminated buildings, which would include the White House and the Capitol, scrub every surface of the rest, then dig up the top few inches of asphalt and soil and cart all of it away, if anywhere will take it. Meeting the EPA standard for public safety — no more than 15 millirem of radiation exposure per year — would cost trillions of dollars for a midsized city, according to a study led by Pacific Northwest National Laboratory researcher Barbara Reichmuth. But the cost drops by half or more when the acceptable threshold is raised to 100 or, better, 500 millirem, which is still just 10 percent of the 5-rem level approved for nuclear reactor workers. The nation may well develop a new tolerance for radiation hazards.

Overall, though, it is impossible to calculate the total cost of a nuclear attack on Washington, because that cost depends on what is done in the first hours, days, and weeks after the attack, which in turn depends on what is done in the years before. If fallout places hundreds of thousands of people at lethal risk, then improving the response by just 1 percent saves thousands of lives. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, for example, has proposed running computer models of various combinations of nuclear yield and weather conditions for selected cities, providing baseline scenarios for planners. That data might allow radio announcements about shelters and evacuation to air a few crucial minutes faster. So might more drills, better communications, or a clearer chain of command.

The odds of a nuclear attack are low. But experts say the huge potential cost of such an attack merits more preparation. And such preparation would save lives in more-likely disasters. Research into drugs to heal irradiated bone marrow could spin off into treatments for immune disorders such as AIDS. Predictive models, decontamination gear, and public-warning systems for nuclear fallout would be useful in a reactor leak, a nerve gas attack, or an ordinary chemical spill. More hospital beds would help with outbreaks of anthrax, smallpox, or avian flu. Compatible radios and common training for emergency responders would make a difference every time a cop or firefighter responded to a call across the county line. A battery-powered radio would be handy anytime the lights went out. In the worst-case nuclear disaster, these everyday defenses would matter that much more. It might be wise to think how best to use them.

“It’s not good enough anymore to plan to do these plans,” said Shelley Hearne, director of the Trust for America’s Health, a nonpartisan group that advocates building a strong public health infrastructure. “Everyone hates this conversation; but I get even madder when I see how little we deal with it. There are things we can do, and do well — and it’s OK to talk about it.”


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To: ExSoldier
For later.

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101 posted on 06/24/2005 12:27:44 PM PDT by Lurker (Remember the Beirut Bombing; 243 dead Marines. The House of Assad and Hezbollah did it..)
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To: Centurion2000
As somebody already mentioned: A silver lining to the mushroom cloud. But have you ever heard of FEMA and the infamous Executive Orders to be triggered ('scuse the pun) in such a case? All those EO's were linked together by Clinton. It's a nightmare.
102 posted on 06/24/2005 12:28:25 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

And yet, real estate values in DC continue to soar through the stratosphere. What's your typical $1,000,000 slum rehab going to be worth when the big dirty one goes off? Obviously that's going to occasion a government bail out which we will be paying off inperpetuity.

Assuming that real estate markets are somewhat rational, I guess that means that in a pre 9/11 world, these properties would be worth $3,000,000.


103 posted on 06/24/2005 12:28:58 PM PDT by Moosilauke
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To: Dubyous
I think you forgot about the guide at the Smithsonian...the groundskeeper at the Vietnam Memorial...the elementary school field trip at the Lincoln Memorial...

You would consider their incineration a favor, eh?


True, there are a lot of innocents that would die although I really wish that on no one, be they Republican or Democrat and so on. I think on a side notw, we need to take into consideration the time of the attack, you would take out more people in the daytime when they are at work, in rush hour, etc., than at night when everyone is at home. I know it is morbid to think about but we need to consider that point too.
104 posted on 06/24/2005 12:30:16 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: shellshocked
Who wants D.C. to survive?

Well, since I and a lot of freepers have family either in or near there, I'd say your suggestion is a little bit extreme....

105 posted on 06/24/2005 12:30:29 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
I don't think the terrorists give a damn about first responders. Their objective is to start by killing four million Americans. They won't waste a perfectly good nuke on a site already struck. Law of Diminishing Returns.

_________________You're right about this. I didn't think it though. The hitting of first responders is a technique used by Palestinians - a low tech solution to cause maximum terror. It doesn't apply. _____________________

If this happens it'll be different cities across the country and at crucial choke points like the mouth of the Mississippi River or in hub cities for food and fuel distribution.

_________________ You're right here too. ____________________

Have you heard of the urban legend about the allegedly lost suitcase nukes supposed to be already secreted here on US Soil during the cold war era? _____________________I've heard that myth, but my larger concern is some stealth enemy would sell the nukes to Osama to take us out for their own reasons... My first guess would be a country that hated us, felt threatened by us, and didn't want to be nuked in retaliation - like Iran. Or as you say, maybe some retired KGB officer______________- If the Jihadis buy those from some retired KGB officer.....

106 posted on 06/24/2005 12:33:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: GRRRRR
Ammo, never can have enough of it...

So the ammo is for your neighbors that didn't prepare and then show up after the event, planning to help themselves to your supplies? And for agents of the state, which is also inadequately prepared and sees the imminent value of your thoughtfully acquired supplies?

If they come for your stuff, do not resist to the death, bro! But you really should not advertise that you prepare and think and such. Everybody will remember your words when their crisis appears.

107 posted on 06/24/2005 12:34:57 PM PDT by Lester Moore (islam's allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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To: ExSoldier

"I'd say your suggestion is a little bit extreme...."

So is your response. Try looking up Hyperbole. I was using it.


108 posted on 06/24/2005 12:37:51 PM PDT by shellshocked (BLOAT, Cache, Take Names!!!)
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To: texgal

I worked off a Mormon list so I think we're square on the food. I didn't do the full year supply, if it gets that bad we'll be building a cabin in the forest. You're never as ready as you could be, but I'm always thinking about ways to upgrade our preparations.


109 posted on 06/24/2005 12:37:55 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: backtothestreets
Months before 9-11 my local newspaper printed a letter to the editor in which I suggested relocating our nations capital to the heartland for protective and political reasons. The heartland is the demographic center of our nation and would be the easiest to protect.

I know that has been done in history, even before nukes because with the capital further inland, it would take an enemy a much longer time to march to it plus give the hopes to the defenders where they can stop the invasion before it gets to the capital. It's amazing that during the Civil War, the Confederates gotten close enough to DC that they could have taken it if the "Army of the Potomac" failed. I wonder what the plan is if DC is ever taken out? Again, I did read a "what-if" story where the US moved the capital to Columbus, Ohio after a Confederate Victory that took Washignton DC. I like to play an apocalyptic role playing game called "Twilight: 2000" where the government split into two factions after a nuclear war with the USSR, CivGov (Civillian Government - made up of a rump Congress) in Omaha, Nebraska and MilGov (Military Government - Joint Chiefs of Staff) in Colorado Springs. That's a good thought where an emergency capital would be set up. I know in the past, we had shelters for Congress and so on at Greenbrier Resort in West Virginia, Mt. Weather in Maryland somewhere and there was talk of a "Site R" in Pennsylvania somewhere near Gettysburg, IIRC.
110 posted on 06/24/2005 12:39:49 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: usurper
I still think it is stupid to house all of our national agencies headquarters in one small city.

Hmmm, that reminds me, when the Whites ruled South Africa, I think they had "three capitals," Capetown, Johannesburg, and Blomfontein (near Pretoria, IIRC) where one was legislative, executive and judicial respectively. I don't know if that is still true in today's South Africa though.
111 posted on 06/24/2005 12:44:13 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Blzbba

Quote: "The offices of the Internal Revenue Service — less than a quarter-mile west from ground zero — ... collapse"
Well, THERE'S a silver lining to the mushroom cloud.



Isn't the ACLU offices right around there also???


112 posted on 06/24/2005 12:46:12 PM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: nina0113

Don't know how to post a link but go to www.emergency essentials.com they've got some fairly priced items that I purchase regularly and use from time to time to rotate the supply. Their soups are really good & we've found that our Yorkies like their TVP (textured vegetable protien). It's flavored like meat and keeps much, much longer than dog food. God bless and keep you all safe.


113 posted on 06/24/2005 12:47:25 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: shellshocked
Try looking up Hyperbole. I was using it.

You mean HyperBULL. Probably 30% of the responses on this thread showed exactly the same thing. It's tiresome and you could have realized it, but no, you had to put in your .02 cents. Some of the responses are remotely amusing, like silver lining to the mushroom cloud but when you say the same tired one liner as thirty other posters and you KNOW you're doing so.....it gets old. What might you say about the content of this story? I'm interested in that! Or don't you have anything to contribute to a substantive discussion?

114 posted on 06/24/2005 12:50:56 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

"Well according to what I was taught at the US Army's school for Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare, this is true, but they can be brought back with some maintenance upgrades by a trained technician."

Wouldn't you also need things like bomb-grade uranium or plutonium? It's not like you can get that stuff at Wal-Mart or Home Depot...


115 posted on 06/24/2005 12:52:19 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Wouldn't you also need things like bomb-grade uranium or plutonium?

A suitcase nuke is self contained. It already has the fissionable material (probably Uranium 235) to go boom! But the other components degrade over time, the technician would be addressing this in order to bring the device online for a possible detonation. The uranium doesn't go bad.

116 posted on 06/24/2005 12:56:00 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Pete'sWife
Read "War Day" by Whitley Streiber and James Kunetka.

Good book. Had some very anti Regan points, but if you ignore those pages it is very good. I personally love the lion living in the old apartment building.

117 posted on 06/24/2005 12:58:28 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: shellshocked
Who wants D.C. to survive?

Well, I am in favor.

Just how much of America would you like to see destroyed? How many Americans killed?

118 posted on 06/24/2005 1:00:44 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: GOPJ
If you had 4 nukes here is what a smart terrorist would do. Put them on boats and sail three of them into ports. A port in Washington, New York and Los Angeles. The reason to be in a port is because they have no way to check your cargo until your already in port and well within range of a nuke. The forth you attempt to sneak into Chicago in between O'Hare and the loop in an attempt to shut down many major expressways and the busiest airport. Not to mention Chicago is a cross roads for most of the country. An attack like that would immediately through us into the largest depression we've ever seen. Hell ill bet democracy doesn't survive an attack like that.

However most likely a terrorist would only have one shitty bomb and they'd use it against, Tel Aviv, London, New York.

In many ways a New York attack would be worse than DC.
119 posted on 06/24/2005 1:02:10 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: Tall_Texan

You said what we daren't...


120 posted on 06/24/2005 1:07:30 PM PDT by null and void (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe as long as court is in session)
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To: RHINO369
Bin Laden knows that the trick is to destroy our economy, bet he's irked that it didn't work last time. I doubt it would work now even with a nuke, alot of post 9/11 redundancy built into the markets, disaster recovery sites, etc. The trading houses took a big lesson from the fate of Cantor Fitzgerald.
121 posted on 06/24/2005 1:08:40 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: shellshocked
"Who wants D.C. to survive? It is a dangerous cancer that a Chinese nuke would be doing us a favor."

Ummmmmm.....

Some of us live (and work) here in the Washington, DC area.

And may I remind you that if Washington, DC is a "dangerous cancer", a good part of the reason is due to elected officials.

Those elect6ed officials are, for the most part, elected by people who live a long way from Washington, DC.

122 posted on 06/24/2005 1:11:27 PM PDT by chs68
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To: ExSoldier

Good informative email.

It's a shame to read some of the comments on this thread. I think some people, in their wish for the demise of DC, have forgotten that the multitude of lawyers, politicians, and associated bloodsuckers are intermixed with human beings in that town.


123 posted on 06/24/2005 1:11:53 PM PDT by Textide
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To: chs68

"Those elect6ed officials are, for the most part, elected by people who live a long way from Washington, DC."


yeah, it is all OUR fault that they can't seem to stay away from corruption. /sarcasm


124 posted on 06/24/2005 1:15:45 PM PDT by shellshocked (BLOAT, Cache, Take Names!!!)
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To: conservativewasp

You dont need to stop the stock market to destroy the economy. There are over 10 million people who live in or near Chicago and every single one of them, including me is packing up and leaving after the two weeks are up. Say goodbuy to companys like Motorola, Boeing, and countless others who are based near Chicago, whos employess are dead or gone, and their offices and plants are radioactive. Not to mention that cash is only worth cash if you believe that the US government supports the dollar. The first thing i do if their is a nuke attack in a US that i dont like in is go to the bank and take out every cent i can. (im 19 and a college student so its only like 4K). Losing 4 of the biggests cities would ruin the economy. We'd survive but many would starve because of transportation problems.


125 posted on 06/24/2005 1:19:07 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: backtothestreets
A new city could be designed to limit ground attacks, like the Oklahoma City bombing, limits air strikes, and any possibility of an attack from sea. We've the best technology on the planet, and if applied with foresight, we can make a capital that can protect the nation from the turmoil that would ensue if the seat of our government were struck.

Make all transportation within the new city public transit, set airports at least 25 miles from the city with high speed rail connections into the city. Build government building with low profiles that would be less susceptible to nuclear attack. Forbid all air traffic over the city. These are just suggestions, but they would assure a much higher degree of protection then we can give our country now.

Build it in canyon lands with parts broken up into different canyons. Connect through the common river cuts and cross connect with tunnels with frequent bends.

Carve the really critical stuff deep into isolated redundant bedrock chambers...

126 posted on 06/24/2005 1:20:06 PM PDT by null and void (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe as long as court is in session)
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To: ExSoldier; Alas Babylon!

He's talkin' 'bout you...


127 posted on 06/24/2005 1:21:39 PM PDT by null and void (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe as long as court is in session)
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To: backtothestreets
Months before 9-11 my local newspaper printed a letter to the editor in which I suggested relocating our nations capital to the heartland for protective and political reasons. The heartland is the demographic center of our nation and would be the easiest to protect.

My wife, the lovely Terabyte here on FR, and I have been joking about moving the nation's capitol to somewhere in the Midwest, maybe where Kansas, Missouri, and Nebraska intersect. It's a fun exercise.

128 posted on 06/24/2005 1:21:41 PM PDT by Terabitten
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To: ExSoldier

bump


129 posted on 06/24/2005 1:23:06 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: GOPJ
Fixed your typo:

When people feel they have some control over their fate, they're less likely to panic depend on the government.

130 posted on 06/24/2005 1:23:39 PM PDT by null and void (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe as long as court is in session)
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To: ExSoldier
I am not a good typist but I had to respond to this one, forgive the mistakes please, my blood is boiling thinking about this.

I'm an ex-nuclear submarine sailor. Nuclear hazards are just like any other hazard, they can be dealt with.

The real problems are in the aftermath. Local governments won't fail but they will strain. Prices for all foods will skyrocket. Building material prices will go through the roof. None of that will be nearly as life changing as the effect that that one explosion will have on the electorate.

We will all suddenly realize how vulnerable we are to this kind of an attack. We will all have friends or relatives who were killed in the initial explosion or died later from radiation poisoning. We will be an angry country. We will have elections in a short time after the bomb because many of our national elected officials will have been vaporized or succumb to radiation sickness.

When the new elections happen we won't be thinking about social security, we won't be thinking about minimum wages we will have one thing on our collective minds. Kill the people who did this to us, keep them from ever being able to do it again.

You may think that the idea of nuking Muslim cities of 100,000 or more might sound far fetched but I would imagine that the anger in the country will allow nothing else. Can you imagine electing someone who wants to negotiate with the terrorists who would do such a thing. Can you imagine watching someone die for a month who knew they were doomed. What if were your parents and brother and sister, how much negotiating are you going to want to do? Even good Christians have their limits. Some will not call it revenge but protection.

If you think that the Tridents won't work you are un-informed. They will do exactly as they are designed. The Arab world does not have near the support structure that we have here. There will be a much higher kill ratio there than here. There will be 10's or perhaps 100's of times more fallout there and it will kill a lot more than the initial blast. There won't be a few hundred thousand deaths but perhaps a few hundred million deaths. The Arab world will indeed return to the stone age. After one generation there will be little of educated Arabs left in the world outside of the west. What education there is will be run by Americans and there will be no Islam taught, it will be outlawed. There will be no more money to fund terrorism from oil, the US will own the oilfields and rule what is left of the Middle East. Many western Arabs will forsake Islam to protect their lives.

A bomb in DC will scar DC for a long time but it will be the death of Islam.

If the Arab world knew that we had no choice other than the kind of massive retaliation that will follow a nuclear strike on our soil they might do all they can to stop the terrorist before they commit mass suicide.
131 posted on 06/24/2005 1:27:26 PM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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To: ExSoldier; JockoManning

Dear Heart JM,

Perhaps God will intensify discernment and guidance when you read the above.

Blessings,


132 posted on 06/24/2005 1:32:23 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: JAKraig
Hmmm. might be an acceptable trade. D.C. for the elimination of Islam?
133 posted on 06/24/2005 1:33:01 PM PDT by null and void (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe as long as court is in session)
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To: lilylangtree

True. The satanic dictator puppet masers would do it much more directly until the AC took over the job for all such.


134 posted on 06/24/2005 1:33:25 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: TXnMA

Have long thought of such and the arrogance of our leaders and people who think we are immune.

Have wished we were like Taipei--keep most of such in deep tunnels with only a small percentage on rotating displays. Perhaps in deep salt mines in Kansas?

But we won't. And lots will be lost unless God chooses to save some of the glorified trash.


135 posted on 06/24/2005 1:34:35 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Lexington Green

There is that aspect! Politicians terminally fired in more ways than one.


136 posted on 06/24/2005 1:35:09 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Tall_Texan

Plenty of sad reason for the starting over perspective.


137 posted on 06/24/2005 1:35:41 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Tall_Texan

Thankfully, God will be doing that--evidently in our lifetime.


138 posted on 06/24/2005 1:36:03 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Jonathan

You are likely correct. But it won't happen.


139 posted on 06/24/2005 1:36:57 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Dubyous
Almost feels like someone's preparing us for an inevitability they know can't be stopped.

Been wondering how long it would take for how many others to notice. Seems to me it's been going on increasingly for several years and especially the last several months.

140 posted on 06/24/2005 1:37:59 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Dubyous

Though it's not "that can't be stopped."

It's

that's been scheduled, ordered by the puppet masters.

They figure they have to scare us into the world government scheme.

They also want only about 500,000,000 total world population to make governing easier.


141 posted on 06/24/2005 1:38:58 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: JAKraig

I think Hillary would survive a nuclear blast.


142 posted on 06/24/2005 1:41:25 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: TXnMA
I would grieve the loss of the Smithsonian, the Archives, and the Library of Congress...

Me too, I suppose; those would be the upper limits of my grief.

If any town in the United States ever deserved it . . . . .

143 posted on 06/24/2005 1:41:43 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: RHINO369
There are over 10 million people who live in or near Chicago and every single one of them, including me is packing up and leaving after the two weeks are up. Say goodby to companies like Motorola, Boeing, and countless others who are based near Chicago, whose employees are dead or gone, and their offices and plants are radioactive. Not to mention that cash is only worth cash if you believe that the US government supports the dollar. The first thing i do if their is a nuke attack in a US that I don't like in is go to the bank and take out every cent I can. (im 19 and a college student so its only like 4K). Losing 4 of the biggest cities would ruin the economy. We'd survive but many would starve because of transportation problems.

The cleanup alone from one nuke in Chicago could bankrupt the nation. Get some food, some water, and head for a spot with a friend who owns a farm. The other option is for churches to network -- but they don't even do that in Hurricane disasters. I've often seen Churches in non-evacuation zones sitting empty while their elderly members sit in impersonal high school gyms. Something has to give in this "me first, me only" country. I hate to think the only time we'll come together is when we starve together after an attack.

144 posted on 06/24/2005 1:44:17 PM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: JZelle

Yeah. She has a powerfull ally that's used to flames...


145 posted on 06/24/2005 1:45:27 PM PDT by null and void (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe as long as court is in session)
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To: Quix
yes, I've noticed that too...

Seems to me it's been going on increasingly for several years and especially the last several months.

146 posted on 06/24/2005 1:45:35 PM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: RHINO369

True to a limited extent. Alot of people outside the immediate fallout areas will stay, others will return. The most likely scenerio seems to be a small nuke, with a relatively small area rendered level or uninhabitable for long. The companies you mention have other facilities and most large companies also now have at least limited redundency in their data systems. Will it cause a depression, probably, will it sink us? No way. We can survive multiple hits on major cities.


147 posted on 06/24/2005 1:46:03 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: ExSoldier

Yeah, but the fissionable material decays (or the impurities decay) into isotopes that eat neutrons.


148 posted on 06/24/2005 1:51:20 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: null and void
Good one. You made it better!!! Thanks.

Fixed your typo: When people feel they have some control over their fate, they're less likely to depend on the government.

149 posted on 06/24/2005 1:52:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: JZelle

I think Hillary would survive a nuclear blast.


What a shame!


150 posted on 06/24/2005 1:55:27 PM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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