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Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.
National Journal ^ | June 24th 2005 | By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

Posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier

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To: blam
I notice one thing is not mentioned...terrorist cells that will be harrassing the first responders with IED's and sniper fire, etc. And, maybe another nuclear explosion in another city.

One characteristic of Al Queda operations is their focus on using simple means in novel ways to accomplish destruction

9/11 was accomplished with a handful of teams with boxcutters. The attack on the USS Cole was accomplished by people just coming alongside in a small boat containing a bomb. The first WTC bombing in 1993 was accomplished by driving a van full of explosives into the parking garage.

While no official ties exist between the DC Snipers and Al Q, I'm sure they studied with interest the ease with which Mohammod and Malvo created chaos in the DC area

Getting a nuke into DC would be a complex operation that would be vulnerable to interception. I'm sure the feds have detectors along all roadways leading into the city, for obvious reasons.

One article I read recently was going over the interest that suspected Al Q elements had with crop-dusting planes. One assumption is that they would want them to spread bio or chem agents. But that goes against the principle of operational simplicity that seems to characterize Al Q operations. The article writer suggested thinking about the possible death toll if they simply filled a large crop duster's chem tanks with gasoline, dumped it on a sports stadium or a packed rush-hour highway, and tossed out a road flare

We also have stories of Muslims getting truck driving licenses. Visualize a gasoline truck rolling down a rush-hour highway, and somebody opens the tank valve.

Think simple-but-deadly

301 posted on 04/02/2006 6:34:53 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: blam
I notice one thing is not mentioned...terrorist cells that will be harrassing the first responders with IED's and sniper fire, etc. And, maybe another nuclear explosion in another city.

I don't think those folks will be there under those circumstances, my bet is they'll bug out to wreak havoc elsewhere....and sure there might be mushrooms sprouting in other cities...the existence of one implies the existence of others. In fact there only probably has to be one more on the theory behind the WWII events. The Emperor of Japan wasn't ready to cave after Hiroshima because maybe....just maybe the allies had only the one. But after Nagasaki he surrendered because if they had two....they might have a thousand....

302 posted on 04/02/2006 6:53:32 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
In the 21st Century, why do we even need a physical capitol? Congressmen and Senators could stay in their districts and conduct their business over the web

Maybe because our Constitution requires a federal district. Then there's also the issue of having the government open to the citizens it is to serve.
303 posted on 04/02/2006 9:09:44 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: JockoManning

I have not seen this. Thanks very much for the ping. Looks like interesting reading.
AD


304 posted on 04/03/2006 3:21:42 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Get Prepared. Stay Prepared. See my FR Homepage for a list of actions and supplies.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

You're very welcome.

Appreciate your FReeper page, too, with its preparedness info.

jm


305 posted on 04/03/2006 11:08:42 PM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning

Thanks for the kind words on my FReeper page, but I can't take all the credit. Lots of folks on the Threat Matrix threads provided lots of the info. I just put it all in one place. I continue to add to it when I can.


306 posted on 04/04/2006 4:40:37 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Get Prepared. Stay Prepared. See my FR Homepage for a list of actions and supplies.)
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To: All
It's been about a year since I posted this....and it suddenly seems to be of consequence again....
307 posted on 04/20/2006 4:48:38 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; MamaDearest; LucyT; Velveeta; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Cindy; ...
It's been about a YEAR since I last posted this and I think it has become of consequence again. I suggest y'all send out a ping to those you think might be interested....
308 posted on 04/20/2006 5:07:08 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Yo-Yo
"Eat your lunch in a bank vault every day. "

A symptom of being married to a shrew.
309 posted on 04/20/2006 5:18:44 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("truth is not invalidated by suppression"--nicmarlo)
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To: ExSoldier

Thanks ExSoldier for the ping.


310 posted on 04/20/2006 6:24:37 AM PDT by all4one (Lawmakers, your decisions on illegal immigration will help us decide if you are re-elected)
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To: ExSoldier; jer33 3; Cedar; backhoe; justche; neutrino; Chickensoup

Pinging y'all.

Thanks ExSoldier.


311 posted on 04/20/2006 2:08:29 PM PDT by LucyT ("Whether it's the best of times or the worst of times, it's the only time we've got." Art Buchwald)
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To: ExSoldier

Thanks much, I am going to repost this on WT.


312 posted on 04/20/2006 7:27:08 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Matthew 24:37"For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.)
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To: JockoManning

Surviving nuclear attack bookmarking again.


313 posted on 08/18/2006 1:57:42 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: JockoManning

Bookmarking post # 297, account of my dream of a state capital in midwest being nuked during my lifetime.

jm


314 posted on 08/18/2006 2:01:55 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: ExSoldier

BTTT


315 posted on 08/18/2006 2:03:18 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: JockoManning


SYNOPSIS OF THIS THREAD:

2006 Marker / Refresher / Timely

Surviving a Nuclear Attack [Anywhere]

Everyone’s first reaction is wrong because the problem is not, in fact, the nuclear blast. If at this point you’re still alive and uninjured — and after a Hiroshima-sized explosion at ground level, 99 percent of the people in the D.C. area

[or anywhere else for that matter]


are — then your real problem is the radioactive dust that the blast threw into the air. According to the estimates in National Planning Scenario No. 1, an explosion that kills 15,000 people outright could eventually expose 200,000 people to lethal doses of radiation if they stay exposed and unprotected in the fallout path for 24 hours. Sitting downwind in gridlock, with your vehicle’s windshield shattered, goes a long way toward giving you a lethal dose. All sorts of simple alternatives — moving away from downwind, seeking proper shelter, even taking a shower — go a long way toward saving you.

Fallout is simply radioactive dust, launched miles into the air in a mushroom cloud and then carried on the wind. Much of it is alpha particles, whose radiation cannot penetrate bare skin, or beta particles, which cannot penetrate layers of clothing. Both are most dangerous if inhaled — or if they settle on food that is eaten unwashed. More deadly are the gamma rays, whose radiation can go through walls. But even gammas cannot hurt you from cloud height. The danger starts when the dust settles to earth.

The ideal is to avoid the fallout in the first place. In apocalyptic gridlock, you cannot drive very far. But you may not have to. Normal winds blow the cloud into a long but narrow plume, just a few miles across. In typical Washington-area weather, Virginia, Montgomery County in Maryland, and most of the District itself are not in the fallout path at all. People in the path could conceivably walk out of the fallout zone in the 10 or 15 minutes before the dust begins to fall — if they know which way to go.

But, of course, you cannot count on perfectly typical weather. The wind might shift; the breeze you feel at ground level may be blowing crosswise to the radioactive clouds five miles up; a still day might cause the fallout to seep outward slowly in all directions; sudden rain or snow could wash the dust out of the sky, heavily dousing everything beneath the storm but sparing areas farther out.

If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call “sheltering in place.” You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.

The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation — probably not enough, however, to save someone who’s inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero. A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent. The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.

For those whom evacuation and shelter fail — or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either — there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove. “Radiation contamination is easier than chemical,” said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. “Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.”

Every major Washington-area hospital has some decontamination facilities, but 10,000 radiation patients in one day would swamp them. So mass decontamination falls to fire departments, with their mobile pumps and generators; their protective gear; their hazardous-materials experience; and, because both Maryland and Virginia have nuclear power reactors, their years of radiation training. Area firefighters can quickly set up special decontamination tents, and they have plans to take over buildings that have lots of showers — so high school gyms, for example, are a good place to head for. In the chaos of those first hours, said Michael Cline, state coordinator at the Virginia Department of Emergency Management, “the real key is to make sure people go to those facilities.” It will take every firefighter available to man the decontamination sites, and every cop to control the crowds pouring in panic out of the city.



FOR ENTIRE ARTICLE, GO TO

NUCLEAR THREAT INITIATIVE [NTI]



http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2005_6_24.html#A0F258F9


http://www.nti.org/index.html

REFERENCE LINK:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429926/posts



316 posted on 08/18/2006 2:06:11 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: ExSoldier

Book


317 posted on 08/18/2006 2:06:18 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: ExSoldier
This story is all wrong. If your as smart as Jimmy Carter, the New York Times, or Cindy Sheehan you know you must ask yourself, "Why do they hate us?" only then can you understand that the death of millions of Americans was really all our fault. Don't you dumb Red Staters know anything? Sheesh! /sarc
318 posted on 08/18/2006 2:16:49 AM PDT by McCloud-Strife (John McCain: great American, poor Senator, Horrible Republican: Never forget, never forgive betrayal)
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To: JockoManning

SHELTERING IN PLACE INFO --




SNIP:


If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call “sheltering in place.” You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.

The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation — probably not enough, however, to save someone who’s inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero.

A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent. The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.

For those whom evacuation and shelter fail — or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either — there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove. “Radiation contamination is easier than chemical,” said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. “Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.”


END OF SNIP
===


319 posted on 08/18/2006 2:28:11 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: Jonathan
Within 15 minutes 24 Trident SLBM's are headed to the Middle East.

That is exactly what the Bin Ladens want.

You would have one billion surviving Muslims at your throat.

We would have to kill them all the conventional way.

Crusades V.


BUMP

320 posted on 08/18/2006 2:48:45 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: ExSoldier

The best way to survive a nuke blast in that region? Simple. Be on the same phone-tree as Christopher Hitchens.

But, since you won't be on that tree, get a copy of Dean Ing's "Pulling Through" at your favorite used book emporium. Best dollar you ever spent this week.

Back to Hitchens -- click on my name to read his "Night of the Weak Knees" excerpt on my profile page.

Then, pucker.


321 posted on 08/18/2006 4:18:23 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ExSoldier
Assume the bomb goes off. Now what?

Well, the upside would be instant term limits across the board ;-)

322 posted on 08/18/2006 4:32:32 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: JAKraig
If the Arab world knew that we had no choice other than the kind of massive retaliation that will follow a nuclear strike on our soil they might do all they can to stop the terrorist before they commit mass suicide.

Don't bet on it.

These are the kind of people who weren't impressed with a $25 million reward for the capture of OBL -- but, would have been wowed by an offer of 25 goats -- something of real, tangible "value" that they could wrap their minds around.

We are dealing with denizens of the dark ages -- literally. Unfortunately, they are armed with munitions of the modern era.

When the USA and the USSR armed to the teeth, it was with the idea of maintaining a standoff -- a stalemate. A deterrent.

The efficacy of that deterrent depended upon the sanity of both parties to the standoff.

The Russians, for all their faults, were sane. They didn't want to incinerate their posterity.

Contrast that to the recent bust in the U.K., in which a "nice" Muslim family (their neighbors waxed eloquent about what nice folks they were), who planned on using their baby as a vehicle for blowing themselves up in an airliner.

Totally different value system. Totally insane value system.

How do you invoke a deterrent against a foe who WANTS to die?

Simple answer: You don't.

I'll stop now. I don't need a crayon to draw a picture of exactly how ugly, exactly how bleak the situation is.

Our choices are slim, and repugnant to a civilized society. Our penalty for doing nothing but wait for the "default condition" is even more brutal.

God have mercy on our civilization.

323 posted on 08/18/2006 4:39:44 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ExSoldier
The author left out the worst part, in my opinion:
The power is out; most stations are off the air. But government transmitters and a few private channels will be broadcasting on backup generators. And everything and everyone, from satellites to Energy Department survey planes to local firefighters, are trying to track the fallout plume. At some point — in minutes with good planning, in hours without it — those little battery-powered radios will come alive with urgent bulletins: where the cloud is drifting, what areas should evacuate, what roads are open, and where people can find shelter or decontamination sites.

Then -- just as the first responders arrive on the scene -- the eerie wail of the Emergency Broadcast System begins again. The annoucer's voice is tight: Long Beach has gone off the air, he reports, and witnesses on the outskirts of Charleston, South Carolina and Houston, Texas are reporting "tremendous explosions and great heat".

"We've got to strike back!" exclaims the Vice President into the pickup of his secure phone. From his sleek black armored SUV in Wyoming the signal leaps to a satellite 22,300 miles overhead, then back down a secure channel to the deep room beneath the White House where the President sits. As the voice comes through the speakerphone, a Navy corpsman is bandaging the President's cut face.

Through the blood in his mouth, the President replies. "Strike back? Against who?"

One terrorist attack of this kind would be a nightmare -- but a manageable nightmare.

That's why the terrorists won't limit themselves to just one.

And they won't put out a press release announcing to the world where to aim the missiles at, either. Instead, the parties who carried out the attack will melt coyly into the background. "World opinion" will force the President to hold off on any "vengeful and arbitrary" retaliation "unless and until the true perpetrators of this disaster" can be "found and brought to justice".

There is no way a U.S. president is going to nuke anybody in reply unless he (or she) is 100% certain that the prospective target was the source of the attacks -- and there is no way a president can ever be 100% certain. And so, with bombs going off in city after city, and no one claiming reponsibility, the president will be required to decide between striking back at "the usual suspects" and facing the outrage of every nation in the world for his "unwarranted and barbarous genocide of innocent people" or concentrating the nation's resources on rescue and rebuilding -- and allowing whomever bombed us to get away scot free.

He (or she) will certainly choose the latter. Politics will demand it.

324 posted on 08/18/2006 5:45:43 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Don Joe

Don Joe,

I just read the excerpt on your FReeper page, Night of the Weak Knees. Wow. Just wow. ===>

QUOTE:
'But I shall not forget how some of those in supposed authority decided that the end had come, and made it a point to keep it to themselves and their immediate friends, perhaps to stop the crowding of the roads. THAT'S HOW IT WILL BE ON THE DAY OF ARMAGEDDON, and that's why the citizen should always plan to outlive the state, rather than the other way round.'
END QUOTE

Don Joe, thanks again.

jm


325 posted on 08/18/2006 6:22:06 PM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: Don Joe
I followed your directions to Night of the Weak Knees. Most writers I wouldn't believe; Christopher Hitchens, I do.
326 posted on 08/18/2006 7:24:38 PM PDT by Samwise (All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.)
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To: Don Joe

I read The Night of the Weak Knees.

Why am I not surprised? At least we outnumber the politicians.


327 posted on 08/18/2006 7:33:33 PM PDT by eyespysomething (When you're Chuck Norris, anything + anything is equal to 1. One roundhouse kick to the face.)
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To: JockoManning
Sobering, isn't it.

Puts all the "no indications of terrorism" pronouncments (issued within nanoseconds of various "events" -- often prefixed with "we have no idea of the cause, but, we have"), eh? (And, curiously enough, the "events" as a rule seem to be precisely the sort of thing they'd a week or so prior warned everyone to be on the alert for, due to their monitoring of "chatter". Gee, what a weird set of coincidences -- over and over and over...)

Likewise the flippety-flop "she had a screwdriver, matches, gel, and made statements about AQ" regarding the "useful idiot" from Vermont with the "boyfriend" in Pakistan the other day. (Who was it that said never to believe anything until it's been officially denied? LOL!)

If you haven't already seen it, go rent a copy of "Miracle Mile" some time.

328 posted on 08/18/2006 7:37:33 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: hoagy62; Nowhere Man
Also, some (maybe all?) radio stations had to have hardened secure bomb shelters. (A friend was a DJ and told me about the station's shelter. It was apparently off-limits to almost everyone, as per gov't rules. This was a rural small town "non-clear-channel" AM station, FWIW.)

Then there are the munitions (secretly?) stored in County buildings. In the same rural county (same as the one with the AM station ref'd above), when I was doing a lot of consulting work for the County gov't, their computer "top dog" told me that she was responsible for "the guns" (didn't go into a lot of detail, other than to mention a bunch of rifles etc.) that "the government" had issued to the County as part of the old Civil Defense program. Apparently they were never "un-issued", and from what I gathered, no one had any idea of what they wre for! Seemed like they were just "there", and she was responsible for them (kept locked up in the basement), but there were no plans etc. for their deployment.

Kinda shocked me. I'd thought I had a fairly reasonable understanding of the old CD programs, but I'd never heard anything about munitions being squirreled away around the country by the feds.

329 posted on 08/18/2006 8:31:26 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Jonathan
[ P.S. If the Muslims KNEW this would happen and BELIEVED we would do it, they would deliver Ali Kahn of Pakistan and Bin Laden's corpse and all of their followers to us post haste. ]

You really DON'T KNOW how crazy this death cult is do you?...
Suggest: SLAPPING yourself and getting your mind right..

330 posted on 08/18/2006 8:43:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: ExSoldier
If you have an older car with "points" ignition, it might not hurt to scout out a spare condensor (for the distributor) and spark coil, and keep them wrapped in (what else? LOL!) tinfoil!

For a newer car, the same would go for the "box". Might not hurt to pick up a spare "electronic control module" at the junkyard (try it out to make sure it works!), and then keep it wrapped in foil. (Likwise with the spark coil(s), and, if your car has fuel injection, spare injectors, in the event that the solenoids driving them get fried).

Other "wouldn't hurt to keep on hand" spares would be the alternator, voltage regulator, starter (and starter solenoid, and, if used in your vehicle, starter relay), electric fuel pump, fan blower motor (never underestimate the value of heating and windshield defrosting in cold weather!), and, wiper motor. Then, things like lights (and, for the headlights, the headlight relay).

Another consideration would be sparkplug wires. Resistor wire could end up as a hollow "smoked" capilary tube, as the carbon resistance/conductor was vaporized.

The more modern the vehicle, the more "electronicified" it is, the more components there are that would be subject to failure, i.e., if some critical sensors are fried (i.e., the crankshaft position sensor), you are dead in the water, even IF the main computer and everything else is OK (or, in lieu of "OK", is replaced with a "tinfoiled" spare.)

Depending on your proximity to an EMP (and the strength of the event), some or all of those components could fry. The first to go would of course be semiconductors -- but remember, your alternator has several diodes in it -- and your voltage regulator is also comprised of semiconductor components (unless it's a circa 1960's/70's or earlier dual-relay type -- which would fail with a stronger EMP).

With enough of a "pulse", even heavy-gauge magnet-wire devices like starter motors could fail (even if the damage "only" consisted of heavily arced commutators).

331 posted on 08/18/2006 8:46:29 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ravingnutter
they all think I am a little crazy, but, oh well...

Next time, don't tell them your Freeper handle.

<g,d&r>

332 posted on 08/18/2006 8:53:19 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ExSoldier

In typical Washington-area weather, Virginia, Montgomery County in Maryland, and most of the District itself are not in the fallout path at all. People in the path could conceivably walk out of the fallout zone in the 10 or 15 minutes before the dust begins to fall — if they know which way to go.

With the cold war and 5,000 nukes, it was kiss your behind good-by. With Muslims, and maybe 3 or 4 bombs, pack up, and if possible, walk away. This is a great oldie...

333 posted on 08/18/2006 9:02:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (AIDS- the ONLY "disease" that's 99.9% preventable and blamed solely on conservative Presidents...)
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To: Tall_Texan

What Supreme Court ruling?


334 posted on 08/18/2006 9:05:46 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: ExSoldier
The offices of the Internal Revenue Service — less than a quarter-mile west from ground zero — and both wings of the National Gallery of Art — within half a mile southeast — collapse.

Every dark cloud does have a silver lining .. but I still would not want this to happen to anyone.

335 posted on 08/18/2006 9:10:54 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: ExSoldier

Bump


336 posted on 08/18/2006 9:16:24 PM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: ExSoldier

This is the Threat we are facing.

And the Enemy must know without a doubt....

Every man, woman, child that is muslim will be dead within hours of the event. There will be not muslim country left, from Africa to Indonesia.

I will have as much pity for the innocent muslim as the innocent muslim has for us.


337 posted on 08/18/2006 9:19:19 PM PDT by Prost1 ((We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!"))
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To: shellshocked

"Who wants D.C. to survive? It is a dangerous cancer that a Chinese nuke would be doing us a favor."


Errr My kids live in the DC area!!


338 posted on 08/18/2006 9:27:01 PM PDT by Gimme
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To: ExSoldier
I've experienced 300 rads through my gut at the business end of a linear accelerator. Not once, but 10 separate times. There's nothing quite like 4 - 6 hours of barfing. At 1200 rads, you add uncontrollable diarrhea to the barfing. Lots of fun. My exposure was not a full body burden. It was carefully applied through a 4 inch shaped lead aperture. If you get 300 rads over your entire body in one shot, your goose is pretty much cooked.
339 posted on 08/18/2006 9:27:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
I've experienced 300 rads through my gut at the business end of a linear accelerator. Not once, but 10 separate times.

Ok, I've got to ask ... WHY? Radiation therapy for cancer?

340 posted on 08/18/2006 9:49:49 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: JAKraig
If the Arab world knew that we had no choice other than the kind of massive retaliation that will follow a nuclear strike on our soil they might do all they can to stop the terrorist before they commit mass suicide.

I fear you may be crediting the IsamoNazi's with more intelligence than they posess.

The rest I agree with. I'd want payback. I'd want a disproportianate response on a massive scale. And prehaps a per head bounty on any remaining muzzies.

Figurativly speaking: Salt the earth for the muzzies.

341 posted on 08/18/2006 9:52:15 PM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: Nowhere Man
I think EMP is overrated from what I've read about it. Basically if your radio or electronic device isn't connected to a power source (usually the A/C line) or an antenna, it should be safe but if you want added protection to make sure, put it in a grounded metal box.

Actually, you DON'T want it in a grounded metal box. Earth is a conductor you know. The electronics should be wrapped in foil and/or metal screen mesh and then placed in some non conducting box (rubbermaid, tupperware etc.)

342 posted on 08/18/2006 10:07:51 PM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: GRRRRR

Do you have dehydrated food?


343 posted on 08/18/2006 10:09:52 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: ExSoldier

Thank you very much for posting this.


344 posted on 08/18/2006 10:14:26 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Centurion2000
Ok, I've got to ask ... WHY? Radiation therapy for cancer?

Yes. I discovered the tumor July 21, 1985. It was removed August 6, 1985. I waited for 3 weeks for the pathology report. It was a pure seminoma. Malignant, but apparently completely contained. A lymphangiogram was performed to check the lymph system, then the doc recommended 3000 rads of radiation. Each treatment was preceded with a blood test to make sure that the radiation had not destroyed so much of my bone marrow that the treatment could not continue. The usual treatment aligned the aperture on my stomach and blasted 150 rads. After 10 minutes to clear the air in the room, the techs returned to spin the aperture around and fire another 150 rads through my back. I then hopped into my car and drove home as quickly as possible. Most times I managed to get in the door before heaving my guts out. A couple times I had to pull over, open my car door and let rip. You learn early in the treatment to eat early in the day before the treatment so all the food is already digested. I nearly ripped my esophagus with brown rice after one treatment.

The treatments gave me a first hand experience with "conditioned response" like Pavlov's dogs. By the 3rd treatment I would start getting more nauseous as I approached the oncologists office. Once in the door, my stomach was already wretching from the smell of the ionized air in the waiting room. It was very hard to get through all the treatments. The nauseous reaction persisted for 6 months after the treatment. Driving west on Miramar Road, then south on I-805 would provoke nausea.

345 posted on 08/18/2006 10:34:19 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ExSoldier

Fascinating read... thanks!


346 posted on 08/18/2006 10:34:45 PM PDT by Toadman
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To: backtothestreets
Here's another thought. The Constitution does not forbid moving the capital


IMHO no elected official should ever be out of rifle range of their constituents
347 posted on 08/18/2006 10:53:36 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: ExSoldier

two words,

civil defense.


348 posted on 08/18/2006 10:56:12 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Don Joe

Excellent points.

I will try to get a copy of Miracle Mile. Thanks.

jm


349 posted on 08/19/2006 2:03:09 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: JockoManning

It's a little dated, but chilling -- and IMO an excellent look at... no, I won't plot-spoil it for you. :)

Let's just say that I didn't really need to invoke my "suspension of disbelief" mechanisms when viewing it. There's a bit more realism than many people will be comfortable with.

I believe this film qualifies as a "sleeper" -- hardly anyone seems to have heard of it, let alone viewed it.


350 posted on 08/19/2006 5:22:31 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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