Skip to comments.Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.
Posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier
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Really. Which state would want it back? Move the goverment which supports the massive industry aimed at supporting Government, and the industry would move, too. Disneyland it ain't, so all that would be left is a poster child for urban decay and a few museums and monuments, surrounded by crime infested streets. All the bad things a city can bring, and diddley to the good.
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People I know are studying Turkish and Arabic in preparation for the day when God discredits Islam, and millions of former muslims are desperately seeking guidance on how to structure their lives, now that their underpinnings have been kicked out from under them. (I saw first-hand the psychic bewilderment experienced by disillusioned Ukrainians.)
But, if we are talking about self-avowed enemies of God, consider the state religion of the USA, a vague unitarianism that in practice recognizes no deity above The State. That supports the massacre (through abortion) of millions of innocents around the world.
Will we be ready to respond redemptively to the fall of Islam? And later, to the fall of secular humanism? I pray so.
(Parenthetically -- if Morris and Whitcombe's Genesis Flood hydrology is valid, I wonder if a nuclear exchange disrupted that system, and brought about Noah's flood? There's a novel in there somewhere for the ambitious writer ... )
What about all the muslims here in this country...the men women and children? You going to line all of them up and shoot 'em? YOU going to do the job? I hear your anger. But I don't think you're the sort of person who could kill a child in cold blood. Let alone thousands or hundreds of thousands kids and women. What about the law abiding muslims in our own armed forces? See? It's not so simple.
[ I don't endorse the views in these topics, though ;') ]
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See post # 297 in this thread, account of my own dream of a state capital in midwest being nuked during my lifetime.
Here, pinging you to post 297, nuke strike against capital city of a state in the midwest. I had this dream in January 2005.
Saturday morning reminder for those FReeping and lurking:
SHELTERING IN PLACE INFO --
If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call sheltering in place. You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.
The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation probably not enough, however, to save someone whos inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero.
A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent. The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.
For those whom evacuation and shelter fail or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove. Radiation contamination is easier than chemical, said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.
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Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.
Every major Washington-area hospital has some decontamination facilities, but 10,000 radiation patients in one day would swamp them. So mass decontamination falls to fire departments, with their mobile pumps and generators; their protective gear; their hazardous-materials experience; and, because both Maryland and Virginia have nuclear power reactors, their years of radiation training. Area firefighters can quickly set up special decontamination tents, and they have plans to take over buildings that have lots of showers so high school gyms, for example, are a good place to head for. In the chaos of those first hours, said Michael Cline, state coordinator at the Virginia Department of Emergency Management, the real key is to make sure people go to those facilities. It will take every firefighter available to man the decontamination sites, and every cop to control the crowds pouring in panic out of the city.
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Here, B.H., is the thread that you may find to be of interest, in case you hadn't seen it before.
Thanks- it has useful information. The late Pat Frank used to say, "Panic can kill you as dead as a 20 megaton bomb, and so can a .22 calibre bullet..."
I re-read that book just a few months ago, and still have his "How to survive the H-Bomb...and Why."
Well considering that someone I love very much lives just over the Potomac in Alexandria, I certainly care.
-because of the 8 million people who live in the Baltimore-Washington area
-because most of our nation's historical artifacts and buildings are there
Many reasons. Don't be a d*ckhead.
Normally, I would agree. But a nuclear attack on ANY American soil is NOT a joking matter. Sorry.
...and ~30 GL in the hot water heater. With my own well and pump, another 30 GL in the holding tank.
I should get a generator.
Too late for Aug 22, out on vacation in PA.
In our age of technology and teleconferencing, they should be able to meet with anyone they choose to, without the need of being in the same city.
It makes more sense to divide the branches of government up into different locations, considering the distinct possibility that a nuke attack/explosion will occur in the US some day. It's logical and reasonable. That's why it will be ignored.
Everybody in DC knows this, but the politicians want to be able to walk over to speak to department heads or summon them on a moments notice.
You also have a water heater full of clean water and the water in the tank of a toilet is clean as well. In my case, that makes 56 gallons of water, even if water pressure dropped to zero.
The failure to resuscitate Civil Defense after 9-11 has been criminal. The liberal MSM newspapers have been too busy pretending there is no war.
I tried to interest the Miami Herald in a Human Interest story on all the old 1950's bomb shelters that might be cold war relics. They weren't interested. 'Cause there are none in this area.
But if we get hit....of course....it'll be BUSH's fault. Not sure they won't be correct, either.
I find that encouraging ( despite the PC redacting ) - kids need to think along "what if?" lines.
...........The heartland is the demographic center of our nation and would be the easiest to protect...................
Yeah, then the fallout could spread for 1500 miles east, and wipe out the entire east coast!
FEMA is Civil Defense. Works good. Your $2000 and house trailer will be available within 10 years of the nuclear attack.
True, but I won't belabor that or suggest recriminations. But I must emphasize what should be the obvious understanding, that in time of war (or Cold War for that matter) true military leadership doesn't let the civilian sensibility tell it what is and isn't acceptable military necessity.
The Commander In Chief is in charge of not just the Armed Forces, his job is not merely to issue orders to just Generals...but to make sure the necessary military and civilian-defense preparations and deployments are approved by Congress and the States...and that they actually happen. It's called management.
Once upon a time, this administration was not bashful about boasting on its managerial prowess. If this is the best that the RINOs can do, and the RATs take us even further down the incompetence slope...we are really in for it.
And if the Civilian sensibilities do get in the way of doing essential preventative actions, then the President is supposed to go "over the heads" of the miscreants, and use the bully pulpit to persuade the voters. Loudly and often. Whatever it takes. And thus steam-roll over the political obstacles to our national survival.
Ronald Reagan was always solid on Civil Defense, and believed strongly in it. He was convinced by his close intellectual associate and good friend, Laurence Beilenson*, who wrote a number of well-supported and reasoned books on it (which I read back in the 70's and 80's), here is an obituary from National Review:
Laurence W. Beilenson, RIP - obituary
National Review, August 19, 1988
by Kevin Lynch
Laurence W. Beilenson, RIP
Laurence Wellman Beilenson, author of The Treaty Trap, Power through Subversion, and Survival and Peace in the Nuclear Age, was born in Helena, Arkansas, in 1899, the son of a Lithuanian Jew. When his father sent him north to school, to Phillips Andover, it was with a warning about something he hadn't experienced in the South: anti-Semitism. No one really knew what caused it, his father said, but it had been around a long time. He advised his son that the best way to fight it was by example.
The young man did his best to take his father's advice, and he excelled at Harvard College and Harvard Law School, as he had at Andover, once his education was resumed after World War I. He took his new law degree west, ending up in Los Angeles just as the golden age of Hollywood was dawning.
He started advising actors on their efforts to unionize and, in 1933, became the founding attorney of the Screen Actors Guild. By the end of the 1930s, his career was soaring, and he was happily married. Then came World War II. He had some difficulty convincing the U.S. Army that it needed the services of a 42 year-old lawyer; but by war's end, he was a U.S. liaison officer with the Chinese army and had been awarded, among other medals, the Silver Star for gallantry in action.
In 1946, he was back in Los Angeles practicing law. Though he knew the brightest stars of Hollywood--his clients included Groucho Marx, John Garfield, Greta Garbo, Gregory Peck, and Ronald Reagan--and had hundreds of Hollywood stories, he never betrayed a confidence. He represented Ronald Reagan in his divorce from Jane Wyman, and the only comment I ever heard from him about it was that it was the most amicable divorce he was ever involved in.
In 1960, he ended his legal practice and applied himself to the study of history, working ten hours a day, five and often six days a week, at the UCLA library. The result, nine years later, was The Treaty Trap, a meticulously documented examination of how treaties don't prevent nations from starting wars. Among the book's many admirers is Mr. Reagan, who has quoted from it frequently.
In 1972 came Power through Subversion--an investigation of how power is seized and kept, with particular attention paid to the methods of Lenin-- and, in 1980, Survival and Peace in the Nuclear Age, which advocated the withdrawal of U.S. forces from NATO.
Not long after Survival and Peace was published, Larry was diagnosed as having lung cancer. Doctors gave him no more than a year, but he had a powerful incentive to live: his beloved wife, Gerda, suffering from Alzheimer's disease, needed him. Larry underwent chemotherapy, and he exercised, and he lived. Gerda died in 1985, with her husband at her side.
After Gerda's death, Larry immersed himself even more in his work. He continued to write articles, for this and other publications. But he would not write the book the publishers implored him to write, a memoir of his Hollywood years. He felt no need for the money or the fame.
The need he did feel was to reach more Americans with his message of how the United States could remain free. He believed this was all he had to say that was important. But for those who knew him, his life said even more.
OLD FRIENDS: Reagan, in 1949, when he was president of SAG, with Beilenson, near right, then the lawyer for the union
Do unto others before they do unto you.
The failures of the administration to take Civil Defense as seriously as it ought to is just a plain mystery to me.
And what if we knew the bomb came from elsewhere? Like, NKorea, for instance? Would we merely nuke NKorea and leave the rest of our enemies in 'peace'?
A bomb in DC will scar DC for a long time but it will be the death of Islam.
If the Arab world knew that we had no choice other than the kind of massive retaliation that will follow a nuclear strike on our soil they might do all they can to stop the terrorist before they commit mass suicide.
Well, THERE'S a silver lining to the mushroom cloud.
A dazzlingly bright lining. If only it were possible to secure all the other buildings, I wouldn't give it another thought.
FWIW, and important on a much smaller scale, we lost all of Helen Keller's archives/memorabilia in a basement museum of one of the Twin Towers. Not sure what else was lost, but that sticks with me for some reason. :(
And lets not kid ourselves. We couldn't even handle Katrina/Rita because of the magnatude of the destruction (not getting into the blame game for now.)
It truly WILL be every Man for Himself if we get nuked. So, don't be scared; be prepared as best you can be with food, a basement (yours or a neighbors), cots, wind-up radio, bottled water, meds if you need them, something to make fire, etc. We have a great kit put together for tornadoes & blizzards in our basement. A lot of that "survival" stuff would come in hand in this instance, too.
Unless you're at Ground Zero...but who can say where that will be against these nutjobs?
"Bookmarking post # 297, account of my dream of a state capital in midwest being nuked during my lifetime."
Was it Madison, WI? We used to be #10 on the list to be nuked by the Russians. We used to have Nuclear Missles aimed at Russia (over the North Pole) at Truax Airfield in the early 70's, actually. They're gone now, but the bunkers are still there and used for storage for the Army National Guard.
We've sat on top of those bunkers to watch fireworks on the 4th of July. Pretty ironic, Eh?
I have an equally sensible idea: hire lots of people to throw rocks through windows. This would spur a great deal of new economic activity when people had to buy new ones.
(Bonus points for naming the source of that analogy.)
We have been "tent campers" for over thirty years. (Archaeological "digs" are seldom in civilized and easily-accessible locations...) So, when the need arises, we just shift into "camping mode".
I recall one hurricane in MA: when the electricity went off, my wife just lifted her pot of chowder-in-progress off the electric range and onto the Coleman stove. While others were panicking and depressed, we just enjoyed a comfortable "indoors campout". In this (nuke) scenario, we would have done the same -- but in the basement...
Will tell you in FReepmail.
Chocolate City Melts!
I know! It amazes me how many people have absolutely NO survival skills. We've lost that in ONE short generation!
Granted, Army training helps, and knowing how to hunt and fish helps (before everything is blanketed in nuclear waste) and not minding getting dirt under your fingernails helps, too. A garden helps, and having laying hens helps, though I don't really want to eat Green Eggs with or without the Ham, thank you, LOL!
We live in the boonies and I can't begin to tell you how many times our power has gone out at inopportune times. A generator is next on the list; we have a wind up radio and shake-able flashlights, flares, candles, gas grill and Coleman everything.
So, if any Freepers are in southern Wisconsin when the balloon goes us, drag your sorry butts on over here and we'll get through this together. ;)
Before you make callous remarks think about to whom those remarks apply.
I have loved ones in DC. And in Maryland, and in northern Virginia, too.
I would care very much were there a nuke attack on DC, God forbid.
Yup. That's what it says in my notes from the army's NBC (Nuclear, Biological & Chemical Warfare) school. Does it say differently in the essay? I didn't write that, I got it from Global Security Newswire last year.
I thought the Russians were supplying Iran with weapons and technology. If that's the case, and Iran is behind a future nuke attack on the US, then yes, we would indeed have reason to target Russia. Payback and retribution (and justice).
I seriously doubt Russia would deserve to get hit though from us. Depends on how big the exchange gets. If it starts spiraling out of control...
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