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Five Female Marines Feared Dead
CBS/AP ^ | June 24, 2005

Posted on 06/24/2005 11:49:22 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

A suicide car bomber slammed into a U.S. military convoy in Fallujah, killing two Marines, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday. Three Marines and a sailor were missing after the attack.

CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin reports that five female Marines are said to be dead, according to officials. They are members of a supply unit who were being driven into Fallujah to assist in searching local women for hidden weapons when their vehicle, which was equipped with armor, was struck by the bomber.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said another 13 Marines were wounded in the Thursday night attack and said some women were among the casualties.

The car bomber targeted troops assigned to the II Marine Expeditionary Force, an earlier military statement said. Fallujah, the Anbar province town 40 miles west of Baghdad, was the scene of a large-scale campaign in November by U.S. troops to rout militants.

An earlier report also had said six Marines were killed.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallen; marines; michaelmoore; military; militarywomen; oif; wariniraq; waronterror; womenincombat
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1 posted on 06/24/2005 11:49:22 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

This happens when you let the enemy shape the battlefield AND the PR war...Female suspects.. EASY..halt them at rifle range, make them strip...we have FIVE of ours dead on the altar of "sensitivity"


2 posted on 06/24/2005 11:51:43 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050

Precisely.


3 posted on 06/24/2005 11:52:50 AM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: West Coast Conservative

I heard about this on the radio news a little while ago---

and I know that I shouldn't feel any "different" that it is women instead of men Marines, and I really don't except that for so many to have been hit at once, is just awful...

From what I heard, they were on their way to relieve other women Marines at checkpoints, because they are at the checkpoints to search women that are going through the checkpoints...

This is yet again an example of the US "being thoughtful, and sensitive to Iraqi and Muslims feelings"---that seems to have cost us lives of troops...

Of course, DICK Durbin might lump them in with Nazis, also, because they were going to be mean and search people...


4 posted on 06/24/2005 11:54:18 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: West Coast Conservative

If they had armor on the car, then they didn't have enough armor. Also, they should clear the roads whenever a military vehicle passes...like in the old days, when the King's carriage went down the road, all the peasants knelt down in submission...obviously for the King's safety.


5 posted on 06/24/2005 11:55:29 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
This is bad news. We are bringing in women to be sensitive to searching Muslim women, and our women are killed for that.

Someone might want to ask Dick Durbin how many Nazi women were killed in fighting because the Nazis were sensitive to the cultures of the people they destroyed.

Yeah, that looks like what we did to the Muslims, Dick. Looks just like Gitmo, doesn't it, you bastard.

6 posted on 06/24/2005 11:55:59 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The story is true" - Dan Rather)
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To: ken5050

Looks like Fallujah has relapsed.


7 posted on 06/24/2005 11:57:32 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: West Coast Conservative

The Pentagon needs to fear that the jihadis have studied their history. This war is tottering at home (which is all that counts). Just look at ALL the polls.
If the jihadis want it to tip their way, they need to launch a Tet-like offensive which shocks everyone with its scope and boldness. They don't have to win the attack--just attempting it is enough.


8 posted on 06/24/2005 11:57:37 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Ciexyz
If they had armor on the car, then they didn't have enough armor.

If the information I saw earlier was correct, then they weren't traveling in a "car" -- it was a seven-ton vehicle.

There isn't enough armor in the world to adequately protect a vehicle from a large explosive, and it's about time we got over our delusions about this and admit it.

9 posted on 06/24/2005 12:03:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
I'm afraid I don't understand something here:

When they made women into combat marines, I felt good, because that meant we were all equal. I treasured that self-esteem.

But these guerrillas have killed those women, and this fills me with BAD feelings. I'm not supposed to have bad feelings, because having GOOD feelings is a new right of the new century.

Can someone here help me out? I'm feeling....confused...

I'm beginning to think the guerrillas might not be cooperating with the New Agenda.

Am I missing something here?

10 posted on 06/24/2005 12:05:44 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Txsleuth

Do you think the bomber driving that car got an earful from Al-Jezzera about how a US Senator was compairing the US to murderous regeims before he was sent off on his mission?


11 posted on 06/24/2005 12:06:20 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The story is true" - Dan Rather)
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To: warchild9
The Pentagon needs to fear that the jihadis have studied their history. This war is tottering at home (which is all that counts). Just look at ALL the polls. If the jihadis want it to tip their way, they need to launch a Tet-like offensive which shocks everyone with its scope and boldness. They don't have to win the attack--just attempting it is enough.

If the Pentagon didn't consider that scenario as a possibleprobable outcome before a single U.S. soldier was put on the ground over there, then the entire U.S. Department of Defense should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty.

12 posted on 06/24/2005 12:13:02 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

When, oh when, are we going to take off the gloves and fight this thing as wars should be fought? Much of the wanton slaughter of our troops could be avoided if we truly did use "shock and awe" instead of just talking about it. Looks like we've lost our will; if that's the case, then let's fold up our tents and limp home with our tails between our legs, cowering and waiting for them to launch another 9/11.


13 posted on 06/24/2005 12:13:32 PM PDT by Salvey (ancest)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Let's be careful not to make the Gitmo prisoners feel bad about it, though.


14 posted on 06/24/2005 12:14:36 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Here comes the event that the media will try to turn into the "Tet Offensive" of Iraq.
15 posted on 06/24/2005 12:16:42 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: Alberta's Child

'then the entire U.S. Department of Defense should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty.'

Hyperbolic nonsense.


16 posted on 06/24/2005 12:17:34 PM PDT by xone
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To: Alberta's Child

The performance of the high command in the Pentagon has been awful. Up until recently, the people in charge have been political generals whose principle claim to generalship is that they haven't made serious errors during their careers, or pissed off anyone important.

I have some confidence in Peter Pace, the new JCS chief, though. Then again, I come from a Marine Corps family, and am prejudiced.


17 posted on 06/24/2005 12:19:29 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Salvey

Yes, I feel that we should be tougher. I think we're being too nice.


19 posted on 06/24/2005 12:27:31 PM PDT by somerville
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To: Shermy
Seems I've heard it referred to lately as the "safest city in Iraq."
20 posted on 06/24/2005 12:30:25 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Follow the terror back to its SOURCE and wipe out the source
The financial sources and spiritual sources as well as man power and infrastructure sources...

And go after the weapons sources....and those who sell and transport them..

imo


21 posted on 06/24/2005 12:35:04 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Follow the terror back to its SOURCE and wipe out the source
The financial sources and spiritual sources as well as man power and infrastructure sources...

And go after the weapons sources....and those who sell and transport them..

imo


22 posted on 06/24/2005 12:35:27 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: gaijin

If you look at my first post on this thread---I have similar confusion about my feelings... but then, I asked myself how I would feel if I found out they were all men Marines....

When I realized that I would feel just as bad....I knew my priorities are okay...

I also heard that the trucks they were in were very well armored, but open at the top----and the blast was just huge...

I hope some dem like Durbin doesn't USE this episode BECAUSE they were women, and make it a political talking point...


23 posted on 06/24/2005 12:37:24 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Fido969

I don't know if they care, but al-jazeera using Dickie Durbin doesn't help---

I have been hearing that some of the suicide bombers are really Iraqi citizens that are being forced to do it by the insurgents threatening the families...I think I also heard that they have been found, tied to the steering wheel.

The thing that is ironic about this whole war on terror is, IMHO, these "people" that are doing this, and giving orders, would never be able to run their own country if they ever did kill everyone and take a country over...

They don't know how to do anything but kill....which isn't good training for sustaining a communities needs...


24 posted on 06/24/2005 12:41:36 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Txsleuth

This is so sad to lose five or six of our service people at once. We are trying our best over there to wage a just and proper military action within all the rules, even the ones the other side keeps making up.

The women Marines feared dead were there to search female Muslims and follow the Islamic rules on no contact between the sexes with someone not a relative or spouse. We do this to show how we are good and respectful of others. I know we try to be better than our enemies, but it's hard when the enemy sinks to such low and vile levels.

The enemy wants us to react with harsh measures to put us in a bad light. It is playing to the UN and leftist liberals here in the USA. The rest of us just have to gut it out and pray our service men and women come back safe. Also, tell a liberal to grow a spine when one says we need to wimp out of Iraq.


25 posted on 06/24/2005 12:41:39 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Javelina

These women had absolutely no business in Iraq. I hope that there were no mothers among the dead.


26 posted on 06/24/2005 12:45:05 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Fido969
Yeah, that looks like what we did to the Muslims, Dick. Looks just like Gitmo, doesn't it, you bastard.

Don't confuse Little Dickie Turbin with the facts.

27 posted on 06/24/2005 12:46:17 PM PDT by CDB
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To: Alberta's Child

I am sure the Pentagon considered this possiblity of what is happening, but I guess even hardened military men would find it hard to be cynical enough to think that after being attacked on USA mainland soil, for the FIRST time,

and having 3000 people killed, that the same generation that lived the disastrous outcome of the Vietnam War, would learn from the mistakes back then, and wouldn't repeat them again...

Unfortunately, when Kerry, and Kennedy are in the Senate, you have the two biggest contributers of the "anti-war, bring the troops home, and to hell with the Vietnamese," group!!!


28 posted on 06/24/2005 12:46:46 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: xone
Hyperbolic nonsense.

Yeah, I know. But that's why I'm not in charge -- nor would I ever be in a position to answer to someone who IS in charge.

29 posted on 06/24/2005 1:09:09 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Txsleuth
. . . but I guess even hardened military men would find it hard to be cynical enough to think that after being attacked on USA mainland soil, for the FIRST time, and having 3000 people killed, that the same generation that lived the disastrous outcome of the Vietnam War, would learn from the mistakes back then, and wouldn't repeat them again.

If this kind of sh!t were happening in Afghanistan, you'd have a point. But since the war in Iraq has nothing to do with "attacks on USA mainland soil" and "3000 people killed," the analogy isn't really valid.

30 posted on 06/24/2005 1:11:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You don't think the war in Iraq has anything to do with the War on Terror?


31 posted on 06/24/2005 1:14:43 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Ciexyz

we don't even seem to use air power any more. why can't apaches escort these convoys and destroy any vehicles that approach them from the air?

this event will knock another couple of points off of US public support for the war.


32 posted on 06/24/2005 1:15:15 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: mariabush

If women have no business being in Iraq then we should get all women out of the military. They are just taking a slot if they have to stay stateside.


34 posted on 06/24/2005 1:17:40 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Txsleuth
What the heck is a "war on terror?"

Terrorism is a method, not an enemy. As long as we insist on this silly way of doing business, I expect the "War on Terror" to be about as successful as the "War on Drugs," "War on Poverty," "War on Illiteracy," etc.

35 posted on 06/24/2005 1:17:55 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Motherbear

I should have addressed 34 to you also, Motherbear.


36 posted on 06/24/2005 1:19:04 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: joesnuffy

we don't have that kind of intel on the ground, and enough local cooperation, to make that possible. sure, once in a while we do and can act on it. but its not enough, the iraqi citizens are more worried about why they can't run their air conditioners then rooting this insurgency out.


37 posted on 06/24/2005 1:23:37 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: West Coast Conservative

Does anyone know: Are the missing Marines thought to have been captured or is this a situation where they can't find/identify remains?


38 posted on 06/24/2005 1:27:21 PM PDT by Airborne1986 (Well, you can do what you want to us. But we're not going to sit here while you badmouth the U.S.A.)
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To: Airborne1986

Answered my own question:

MSNBC - "Three Marines and a sailor believed to be in the vehicle are currently listed as Duty Status Whereabouts Unknown pending a positive identification" of the bodies, the statement said.


39 posted on 06/24/2005 1:29:50 PM PDT by Airborne1986 (Well, you can do what you want to us. But we're not going to sit here while you badmouth the U.S.A.)
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"You don't think the war in Iraq has anything to do with the War on Terror?"

War on Terror?

hugh?

We have a War on Terror going on?

Someone should tell GWB, maybe we should have more border security.

WOT, what a joke.


40 posted on 06/24/2005 1:30:13 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: mariabush

They may have no business there but there is no other choice....especially after several months of recruiting shortfalls.


41 posted on 06/24/2005 1:34:01 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Txsleuth
I know that I shouldn't feel any "different" that it is women instead of men Marines

How do you "know" that?

Are you a man?

Are you western civilization man?

Why do you feel compelled to "apologize" for having feelings that your forefathers did their best to ingrain in you?

42 posted on 06/24/2005 1:36:22 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Austin Willard Wright
They may have no business there but there is no other choice....especially after several months of recruiting shortfalls.

One can only hope none were mothers ... or grandmothers for that matter.

43 posted on 06/24/2005 1:40:32 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: joesnuffy
"The financial sources and spiritual sources as well as man power and infrastructure sources..."

Those are a bit to the south of where we are now...

44 posted on 06/24/2005 1:42:33 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Javelina
"It shouldn't make you feel any worse than when one of our young, male Marines is killed."

Sorry, but it does. It is just the way many of us were raised. Chivalry sort of...in addition to despising those who promote lower or reduced standards to accomodate social engineering amongst those who fight wars.

45 posted on 06/24/2005 1:43:46 PM PDT by Meldrim
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To: Txsleuth
Anyone human being's life is precious - most especially to their loved ones. That being said, over 97% of combat deaths and injuries in Iraq are male. Historically, the number of American male combat deaths and casualties is 99.999%, approximately.

The Violence Against Women Act is coning up for billions in re-authorization funds, and males are excluded from the benefits. There is no Violence Against Male Act in America today and it shows (glaringly). VAWA routinely blames all males, yes, "all males" for violence. Isn't it ironic how America, through VAWA, blames "all males" for violence, but has historically, and still (by law), sends almost exclusively males to frontline combat?

Where is Martha Burke trying to level this playing field? Clearly, in Iraq women are getting closer and closer to the front lines, and we see the results. As I said in the opening all life is precious, but in America it appears that men's lives are treated as of lesser value than women's. Why? In a nation where women have had approximately 30,000,000,000 abortions in 30 years, women certainly aren't all that critical in keeping our population numbers up.

In America today we have a strong gender feminist movement, primarily Democrats, that works hard to promote women as being able to do anything a man can do. In the conservative camp, traditional minded women still cling to more traditonal roles of wife and Mother with all the accompanying male chivalry that goes with it. What we wind up with in our society (especially among many younger females) is an odd mix of the more liberated rights and expectations, accompanied by many of the old chivalrous priveleges and courtesies. Women's lives are in a stressful state of flux (change) in America today. Men are stressed out more than ever, trying to figure out the proper way to behave towards women in this climate of "morphing" female gender roles. Women and men struggle to understand what is the normal role for their lives.

If you don't like the more liberal aspects of what's happening than you can blame the tens of thousands of women's studies classes on our college campuses who have been advocating for all these liberal changes for women. They reside in the Liberal Sciences Departments. That's the source, along with the over 270 women's commission that John F. Kennedy laid the ground work for. The 1st women's commission came about during his administration. Currently, there are virtually no men's commission or men's studies programs anywhere in America.

Here is one site you will find advocating for more exposure of women in combat, Combat Ban (of womnen) Wrong Move, NOW President Says, May 12, 2005 Can you guess from looking around their web site which of the two main parties they are most closely associated with? Do you see anything about gender bigoted VAWA there?

...and here are two conservative women's sites where you will find other (differing) viewpoints:

#1 Mailbag: Those Abu Ghraib Women . Lynn Cheney was one of the founding members of the Independent Women's Forum (IWF).

#2 Turning Women Into Cannon Fodder. The Concerned Women for America CWA is a Christian based women's group. I belong to both the CWA and the IWF, but am a man. I hope I haven't angered too many poeple with this frank assessment of the "confusing gender climate" in America today. Again, lastly, all human life is precious in God's eyes, and thereby mine. Sincerely, R.

46 posted on 06/24/2005 1:43:57 PM PDT by MensRightsActivist
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To: Shermy
Looks like Fallujah has relapsed.

Not to mention Afghanistan.

Uncle Remus' Tar Baby comes to mind.

47 posted on 06/24/2005 1:44:17 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Not for the Marines!!!!


48 posted on 06/24/2005 1:44:35 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: leadpenny

I agree!!!!!!


49 posted on 06/24/2005 1:45:12 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: leadpenny
"They are just taking a slot if they have to stay stateside"

The Israeli's manage it quite effectively, with conscription. It would be interesting to see how much they accomodate Islamic sensibilities when it comes to areas like this.

50 posted on 06/24/2005 1:45:59 PM PDT by Meldrim
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